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Wed Feb-23-11 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #105 |
| 108. The headline of your link states -Dawkins: faith schools should teach all religion |
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Edited on Wed Feb-23-11 06:05 PM by cleanhippie
He ENCOURAGES religious instruction, just not indoctrination. And whats with "comrade dawkins"? No need for that, unless you are trying to conflate atheism and communism, again.
Where is the paragraph you quoted in your post? Its not in that article you linked to.
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| -WaPo - "Religion: The Ultimate Tyranny" by Paula Kirby |
onager |
Feb-19-11 02:23 PM |
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Amen... (nt) |
NeoGreen |
Feb-19-11 04:03 PM |
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Fantastic quote. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 10:44 AM |
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+1 |
cleanhippie |
Feb-20-11 11:02 AM |
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I disagree so much its hard to know where to begin |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 12:57 PM |
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And so you admit that your religion serves as liberator from fear? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 01:17 PM |
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yes, absolutely |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 01:20 PM |
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It's funny that you say you disagree "so much"... |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 02:06 PM |
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along a similar theme |
pokerfan |
Feb-20-11 01:16 PM |
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Let My People Go - Paul Robeson |
struggle4progress |
Feb-20-11 12:40 PM |
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Marian Anderson: Go Down, Moses |
struggle4progress |
Feb-20-11 12:41 PM |
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Christianity |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 12:48 PM |
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Not so much. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 12:56 PM |
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Did you get the feeling that your pastor did it as the OP describes? |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 01:05 PM |
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2 things: |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 01:14 PM |
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I do not believe rules re: modest dress are petty |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 01:36 PM |
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Unfortunately, the rules ARE petty, and one-sided, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 08:57 PM |
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we disagree on the 'petty-ness' |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 09:04 PM |
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We're gonna get this thread moved to GD |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 09:13 PM |
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perhaps |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 02:20 PM |
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And you can thank secularism for that. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 02:08 PM |
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I can thank many for it, including secularists |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 02:23 PM |
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Louis Armstrong-Go Down Moses |
struggle4progress |
Feb-20-11 12:48 PM |
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History's Most Tyrannical Man |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 12:51 PM |
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Your supposed counter-example |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 12:57 PM |
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"Religion is the antithesis of freedom"! eom. |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 01:00 PM |
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One can fight for civil liberties in government while still being a slave to religion. nt |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 01:18 PM |
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King delivered African-Americans back into slavery? |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 01:29 PM |
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Specious, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 09:00 PM |
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I need not answer your question |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 10:13 PM |
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People have advocated for it. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 10:20 PM |
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You cannot divorce King from the AA Church |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 01:21 PM |
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See #17. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 01:29 PM |
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Do you recall, perhaps, what institution... |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 02:18 PM |
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The fist? |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 02:45 PM |
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Then religion was just a follower for MLK as well. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 04:55 PM |
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No double standard |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 05:10 PM |
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No, of course not. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 09:19 PM |
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You must understand |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 10:14 PM |
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Maybe if my handle had anything to do with the historical Trotsky. |
trotsky |
Feb-21-11 05:45 AM |
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wrong |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 07:56 PM |
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Does the hammer use the hand? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 09:02 PM |
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Not an accurate comparison |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 09:44 PM |
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The psychological benefits you derive |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 10:05 PM |
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yes, you are right, I misspoke |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 10:14 PM |
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The foundation of a good relationship is good communication. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 10:22 PM |
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If that is the case, then believers are getting the short end of that stick. |
cleanhippie |
Feb-21-11 09:23 AM |
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How can it be a "two-way street" when your god... |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 06:40 AM |
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is that rhetorical or would you truly like to hear my response? |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-22-11 03:13 PM |
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Oh I already know how most Christians evade that question. |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 06:40 PM |
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now you've made me curious |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-22-11 07:36 PM |
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Naw, how about you give me your answer first. |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 08:47 PM |
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I know the "creator-created" thing is just wrong, and I don't like it, |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 09:20 AM |
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This charicature brought to you by "straws-R-us". |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:23 AM |
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I think you are conflating "strawsRus" with barb. |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 11:03 AM |
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If that bore even a passing resemblance to my point, I'd be devastated. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 01:30 PM |
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Sorry to see you are so devastated. nt |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 03:01 PM |
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ok you asked for it :) |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-23-11 06:50 PM |
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There is a distinction between a "two-way" relationship... |
trotsky |
Feb-24-11 06:27 AM |
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You say "wrong" but you admit you never met him. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 09:20 PM |
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this is my point: |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 10:08 PM |
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"No, I do not believe he would have been." |
trotsky |
Feb-21-11 05:45 AM |
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wow Trotsky |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-21-11 07:45 AM |
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No, what I find disgusting... |
trotsky |
Feb-21-11 08:12 AM |
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Never let it be said that atheists can be bigots. |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 09:23 AM |
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Please, for the love of Satan, take a logic class. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 01:56 PM |
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Religion was "just a follower?" |
onager |
Feb-21-11 09:56 PM |
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What an anachronism! |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-21-11 11:12 PM |
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This makes no sense... |
onager |
Feb-23-11 09:08 PM |
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You've changed your position |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-23-11 09:39 PM |
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Fun quiz for the King-slingers... |
onager |
Feb-23-11 08:58 PM |
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The rantings of a jilted spouse.... |
Sal316 |
Feb-20-11 01:43 PM |
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Surely you realize, Sal, that this allegedly "cartoon-like" theology... |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 02:16 PM |
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Sorry to break this to you. |
rug |
Feb-22-11 07:39 PM |
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One billion Catholics believe in servitude on pain of Hell. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-22-11 07:47 PM |
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What Chick cartoon are you reading? |
rug |
Feb-22-11 07:49 PM |
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The Catechism, as we've argued over before. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-22-11 07:51 PM |
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"Belief in servitude on pain of hell" is in the Catechism? |
rug |
Feb-22-11 07:54 PM |
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Oh, yes, play the direct quote game, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-22-11 07:57 PM |
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It was unfair of me to quote you. |
rug |
Feb-22-11 08:08 PM |
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Oh! Whatever shall I do against such cow's-tongue wit? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-22-11 08:18 PM |
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Whaever you usually do with a cow's tongue. |
rug |
Feb-22-11 08:28 PM |
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Oh, is Sal a Catholic? |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 08:43 PM |
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Don't know, but your cartoon theology isn't. |
rug |
Feb-22-11 08:51 PM |
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Please check my edit - more questions for you! Thanks ruggy! n/t |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 08:52 PM |
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Answers! |
rug |
Feb-22-11 09:14 PM |
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I get to choose on all of those! |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 06:11 AM |
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Do you actually believe that? |
rug |
Feb-23-11 06:31 AM |
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So now you're denying there is an official church position on all those items? |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 06:35 AM |
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An official position is hardly a "dictate" instilling consternation at risking the Pope's disfavor. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 06:47 AM |
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Bwah ha ha ha. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 06:54 AM |
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Sure, it does, Pogo. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 07:03 AM |
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Well, now, if you're refusing to see the cartoonish nature of the theology, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 07:27 AM |
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That has more to do with power than theology. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 02:42 PM |
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In the Catholic Church, they are one and the same, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 03:03 PM |
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If you believe that you understand neither. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 04:58 PM |
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If you think the Catholic hierarchy doesn't use theology to exert power, you're hopeless. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 06:40 PM |
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Neverttheless, they remain different things. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:12 PM |
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There are none so blind... |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 08:28 PM |
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...as those who cannot see differences. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:40 PM |
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So idiom isn't your strong suit, either... |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:02 PM |
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I'm glad you recognize the official Catholic Church theology is cartoonish. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 07:27 AM |
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It wasn't the RCC I called Pogo. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 02:43 PM |
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Yeah I know, you switch to pathetic one-liners when you've lost the argument. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 05:05 PM |
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"You're wholly and sadly predictable." |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:09 PM |
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Hey when you've given up and can only toss the one-liners, |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 05:11 PM |
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Is there something I should know? |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:22 PM |
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Oh I think you already know. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 06:03 PM |
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Aside from the obvious canard you have created here regarding choice, I have a nit to pick. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 07:20 AM |
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"What of all the children who were raised Catholic from their infancy?" |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 11:08 AM |
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Oh, please. Evidence of that? No, you made it up. |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 05:12 PM |
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Well, Let's see for starts,Comrade Dawkins signed a petition |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 05:44 PM |
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The headline of your link states -Dawkins: faith schools should teach all religion |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 06:03 PM |
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Well for heaven's sake decide whether that is atheistic thought or |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 06:17 PM |
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Dawkins isn't a Communist, and has never said anything that a Communist has said, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 06:45 PM |
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Religious freedom includes parents being able to teach and rear their |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 06:52 PM |
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So the child has no religious freedom? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 06:55 PM |
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Up to a certain age, no. If parents aren't allowed to teach and influence their children, |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 07:22 PM |
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And what age is that? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 07:34 PM |
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I said within the law. That is commonly understood. And NO, |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 07:41 PM |
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You're advocating for total parental control. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 08:03 PM |
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IIRC we had this discussion too DS3 |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-23-11 08:25 PM |
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Here's a good place to start: |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 08:32 PM |
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I agree 100% |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-23-11 08:37 PM |
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I favor letting parents decide for their children generally |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 09:18 PM |
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And I've known too many incompetent, short-sighted parents to agree. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:24 PM |
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And so you feel that because some parents are, to you, "incompetent, short-sighted" |
humblebum |
Feb-24-11 11:26 AM |
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A few things for you to consider. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-24-11 12:18 PM |
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It is hard to even know where to respond to each of your points. |
humblebum |
Feb-24-11 01:08 PM |
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Adults choose. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:06 PM |
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Who claims that? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 05:13 PM |
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It's the flip side of the claim that people are religious due to childhood fears. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:18 PM |
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So no one claims that then. You just made it up or what? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 05:22 PM |
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Nice edit. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:23 PM |
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I will take that as a yes, you made it up and no one but you claims that. |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 05:59 PM |
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Cosidering your original post suggested religious belief is based childhood fears, |
rug |
Feb-23-11 06:30 PM |
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It did? I responded to YOUR post. WTF? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 07:27 PM |
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Yes it did. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:09 PM |
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What are you talking about? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-24-11 02:24 PM |
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And you proceeded to question why the first claim is invalid - before the edit. |
rug |
Feb-24-11 02:47 PM |
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and? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-24-11 03:49 PM |
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Read it again |
rug |
Feb-24-11 04:20 PM |
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That is some denial you have there. |
cleanhippie |
Feb-25-11 01:10 AM |
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I DO have a rather dim view of human autonomy. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 06:39 PM |
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My anecdotes contradict yours. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:08 PM |
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My anecdotes weren't the source of my logic. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 08:24 PM |
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"I base my observation from above on the many people I have talked with in real life" |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:39 PM |
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Yeah, try again. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:01 PM |
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I never claimed that. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 09:28 PM |
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Well, if you keep leaving out words, you can make that equivocation. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:43 PM |
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