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Sun Feb-20-11 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #30 |
| 31. Then religion was just a follower for MLK as well. |
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You aren't allowed a double standard.
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| -WaPo - "Religion: The Ultimate Tyranny" by Paula Kirby |
onager |
Feb-19-11 02:23 PM |
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Amen... (nt) |
NeoGreen |
Feb-19-11 04:03 PM |
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Fantastic quote. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 10:44 AM |
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+1 |
cleanhippie |
Feb-20-11 11:02 AM |
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I disagree so much its hard to know where to begin |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 12:57 PM |
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And so you admit that your religion serves as liberator from fear? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 01:17 PM |
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yes, absolutely |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 01:20 PM |
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It's funny that you say you disagree "so much"... |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 02:06 PM |
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along a similar theme |
pokerfan |
Feb-20-11 01:16 PM |
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Let My People Go - Paul Robeson |
struggle4progress |
Feb-20-11 12:40 PM |
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Marian Anderson: Go Down, Moses |
struggle4progress |
Feb-20-11 12:41 PM |
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Christianity |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 12:48 PM |
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Not so much. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 12:56 PM |
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Did you get the feeling that your pastor did it as the OP describes? |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 01:05 PM |
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2 things: |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 01:14 PM |
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I do not believe rules re: modest dress are petty |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 01:36 PM |
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Unfortunately, the rules ARE petty, and one-sided, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 08:57 PM |
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we disagree on the 'petty-ness' |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 09:04 PM |
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We're gonna get this thread moved to GD |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 09:13 PM |
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perhaps |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 02:20 PM |
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And you can thank secularism for that. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 02:08 PM |
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I can thank many for it, including secularists |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 02:23 PM |
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Louis Armstrong-Go Down Moses |
struggle4progress |
Feb-20-11 12:48 PM |
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History's Most Tyrannical Man |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 12:51 PM |
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Your supposed counter-example |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 12:57 PM |
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"Religion is the antithesis of freedom"! eom. |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 01:00 PM |
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One can fight for civil liberties in government while still being a slave to religion. nt |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 01:18 PM |
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King delivered African-Americans back into slavery? |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 01:29 PM |
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Specious, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 09:00 PM |
#35 |
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I need not answer your question |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 10:13 PM |
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People have advocated for it. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 10:20 PM |
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You cannot divorce King from the AA Church |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 01:21 PM |
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See #17. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 01:29 PM |
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Do you recall, perhaps, what institution... |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 02:18 PM |
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The fist? |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 02:45 PM |
#30 |
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Then religion was just a follower for MLK as well. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 04:55 PM |
#31 |
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No double standard |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 05:10 PM |
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No, of course not. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 09:19 PM |
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You must understand |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-20-11 10:14 PM |
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Maybe if my handle had anything to do with the historical Trotsky. |
trotsky |
Feb-21-11 05:45 AM |
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wrong |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 07:56 PM |
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Does the hammer use the hand? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 09:02 PM |
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Not an accurate comparison |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 09:44 PM |
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The psychological benefits you derive |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 10:05 PM |
#42 |
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yes, you are right, I misspoke |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 10:14 PM |
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The foundation of a good relationship is good communication. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-20-11 10:22 PM |
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If that is the case, then believers are getting the short end of that stick. |
cleanhippie |
Feb-21-11 09:23 AM |
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How can it be a "two-way street" when your god... |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 06:40 AM |
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is that rhetorical or would you truly like to hear my response? |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-22-11 03:13 PM |
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Oh I already know how most Christians evade that question. |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 06:40 PM |
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now you've made me curious |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-22-11 07:36 PM |
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Naw, how about you give me your answer first. |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 08:47 PM |
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I know the "creator-created" thing is just wrong, and I don't like it, |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 09:20 AM |
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This charicature brought to you by "straws-R-us". |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:23 AM |
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I think you are conflating "strawsRus" with barb. |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 11:03 AM |
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If that bore even a passing resemblance to my point, I'd be devastated. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 01:30 PM |
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Sorry to see you are so devastated. nt |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 03:01 PM |
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ok you asked for it :) |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-23-11 06:50 PM |
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There is a distinction between a "two-way" relationship... |
trotsky |
Feb-24-11 06:27 AM |
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You say "wrong" but you admit you never met him. |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 09:20 PM |
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this is my point: |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-20-11 10:08 PM |
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"No, I do not believe he would have been." |
trotsky |
Feb-21-11 05:45 AM |
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wow Trotsky |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-21-11 07:45 AM |
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No, what I find disgusting... |
trotsky |
Feb-21-11 08:12 AM |
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Never let it be said that atheists can be bigots. |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 09:23 AM |
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Please, for the love of Satan, take a logic class. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 01:56 PM |
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Religion was "just a follower?" |
onager |
Feb-21-11 09:56 PM |
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What an anachronism! |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-21-11 11:12 PM |
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This makes no sense... |
onager |
Feb-23-11 09:08 PM |
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You've changed your position |
Bad Thoughts |
Feb-23-11 09:39 PM |
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Fun quiz for the King-slingers... |
onager |
Feb-23-11 08:58 PM |
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The rantings of a jilted spouse.... |
Sal316 |
Feb-20-11 01:43 PM |
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Surely you realize, Sal, that this allegedly "cartoon-like" theology... |
trotsky |
Feb-20-11 02:16 PM |
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Sorry to break this to you. |
rug |
Feb-22-11 07:39 PM |
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One billion Catholics believe in servitude on pain of Hell. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-22-11 07:47 PM |
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What Chick cartoon are you reading? |
rug |
Feb-22-11 07:49 PM |
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The Catechism, as we've argued over before. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-22-11 07:51 PM |
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"Belief in servitude on pain of hell" is in the Catechism? |
rug |
Feb-22-11 07:54 PM |
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Oh, yes, play the direct quote game, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-22-11 07:57 PM |
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It was unfair of me to quote you. |
rug |
Feb-22-11 08:08 PM |
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Oh! Whatever shall I do against such cow's-tongue wit? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-22-11 08:18 PM |
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Whaever you usually do with a cow's tongue. |
rug |
Feb-22-11 08:28 PM |
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Oh, is Sal a Catholic? |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 08:43 PM |
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Don't know, but your cartoon theology isn't. |
rug |
Feb-22-11 08:51 PM |
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Please check my edit - more questions for you! Thanks ruggy! n/t |
trotsky |
Feb-22-11 08:52 PM |
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Answers! |
rug |
Feb-22-11 09:14 PM |
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I get to choose on all of those! |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 06:11 AM |
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Do you actually believe that? |
rug |
Feb-23-11 06:31 AM |
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So now you're denying there is an official church position on all those items? |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 06:35 AM |
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An official position is hardly a "dictate" instilling consternation at risking the Pope's disfavor. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 06:47 AM |
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Bwah ha ha ha. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 06:54 AM |
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Sure, it does, Pogo. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 07:03 AM |
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Well, now, if you're refusing to see the cartoonish nature of the theology, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 07:27 AM |
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That has more to do with power than theology. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 02:42 PM |
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In the Catholic Church, they are one and the same, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 03:03 PM |
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If you believe that you understand neither. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 04:58 PM |
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If you think the Catholic hierarchy doesn't use theology to exert power, you're hopeless. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 06:40 PM |
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Neverttheless, they remain different things. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:12 PM |
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There are none so blind... |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 08:28 PM |
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...as those who cannot see differences. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:40 PM |
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So idiom isn't your strong suit, either... |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:02 PM |
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I'm glad you recognize the official Catholic Church theology is cartoonish. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 07:27 AM |
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It wasn't the RCC I called Pogo. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 02:43 PM |
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Yeah I know, you switch to pathetic one-liners when you've lost the argument. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 05:05 PM |
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"You're wholly and sadly predictable." |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:09 PM |
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Hey when you've given up and can only toss the one-liners, |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 05:11 PM |
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Is there something I should know? |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:22 PM |
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Oh I think you already know. |
trotsky |
Feb-23-11 06:03 PM |
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Aside from the obvious canard you have created here regarding choice, I have a nit to pick. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 07:20 AM |
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"What of all the children who were raised Catholic from their infancy?" |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 11:08 AM |
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Oh, please. Evidence of that? No, you made it up. |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 05:12 PM |
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Well, Let's see for starts,Comrade Dawkins signed a petition |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 05:44 PM |
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The headline of your link states -Dawkins: faith schools should teach all religion |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 06:03 PM |
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Well for heaven's sake decide whether that is atheistic thought or |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 06:17 PM |
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Dawkins isn't a Communist, and has never said anything that a Communist has said, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 06:45 PM |
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Religious freedom includes parents being able to teach and rear their |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 06:52 PM |
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So the child has no religious freedom? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 06:55 PM |
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Up to a certain age, no. If parents aren't allowed to teach and influence their children, |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 07:22 PM |
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And what age is that? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 07:34 PM |
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I said within the law. That is commonly understood. And NO, |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 07:41 PM |
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You're advocating for total parental control. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 08:03 PM |
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IIRC we had this discussion too DS3 |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-23-11 08:25 PM |
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Here's a good place to start: |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 08:32 PM |
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I agree 100% |
AlecBGreen |
Feb-23-11 08:37 PM |
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I favor letting parents decide for their children generally |
humblebum |
Feb-23-11 09:18 PM |
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And I've known too many incompetent, short-sighted parents to agree. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:24 PM |
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And so you feel that because some parents are, to you, "incompetent, short-sighted" |
humblebum |
Feb-24-11 11:26 AM |
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A few things for you to consider. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-24-11 12:18 PM |
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It is hard to even know where to respond to each of your points. |
humblebum |
Feb-24-11 01:08 PM |
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Adults choose. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:06 PM |
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Who claims that? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 05:13 PM |
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It's the flip side of the claim that people are religious due to childhood fears. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:18 PM |
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So no one claims that then. You just made it up or what? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 05:22 PM |
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Nice edit. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 05:23 PM |
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I will take that as a yes, you made it up and no one but you claims that. |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 05:59 PM |
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Cosidering your original post suggested religious belief is based childhood fears, |
rug |
Feb-23-11 06:30 PM |
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It did? I responded to YOUR post. WTF? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-23-11 07:27 PM |
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Yes it did. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:09 PM |
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What are you talking about? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-24-11 02:24 PM |
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And you proceeded to question why the first claim is invalid - before the edit. |
rug |
Feb-24-11 02:47 PM |
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and? |
cleanhippie |
Feb-24-11 03:49 PM |
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Read it again |
rug |
Feb-24-11 04:20 PM |
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That is some denial you have there. |
cleanhippie |
Feb-25-11 01:10 AM |
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I DO have a rather dim view of human autonomy. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 06:39 PM |
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My anecdotes contradict yours. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:08 PM |
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My anecdotes weren't the source of my logic. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 08:24 PM |
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"I base my observation from above on the many people I have talked with in real life" |
rug |
Feb-23-11 08:39 PM |
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Yeah, try again. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:01 PM |
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I never claimed that. |
rug |
Feb-23-11 09:28 PM |
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Well, if you keep leaving out words, you can make that equivocation. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-23-11 09:43 PM |
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