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68. Be my guest.
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  -Everyone is born an atheist. cleanhippie  Jan-21-11 10:53 AM   #0 
  - not really  BOG PERSON   Jan-21-11 10:59 AM   #1 
  - No, atheism is a LACK of belief. Babies have a LACK of belief, ergo, they are atheists.  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:00 AM   #3 
  - i have to disagree  BOG PERSON   Jan-21-11 11:08 AM   #9 
     - Really? I am an atheist and I never claimed that there is no god.  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:14 AM   #13 
     - What you say makes you an agnostic by definition.  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 12:06 PM   #29 
     - But your definition implies a positive belief.  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 12:18 PM   #30 
     - An agnostic has neither a positive belief or a negative beliefe...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 04:46 PM   #47 
     - See #44,  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 04:59 PM   #48 
     - Words have real meanings...and if we let every individual define his own meaning...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 05:30 PM   #50 
        - You ignore the fact that more definitions are recognized than your chosen pigeonhole.  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 05:43 PM   #52 
           - No, bu if you want to define a word you should recognize the primary definiton...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 05:49 PM   #54 
              - Who are you to claim that your chosen definition is primary?  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 05:56 PM   #55 
                 - Check out the dictionary. They put a (1) to show the primary meaning.  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 06:07 PM   #58 
                    - WHICH dictionary?  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 06:12 PM   #59 
                       - Oxfords English Dictionary...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 06:19 PM   #60 
                          - Don't have one of those handy,  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 06:43 PM   #62 
                             - Wow, it is like Global warming denial. Don't look for the answer and you won't find it.  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 08:14 PM   #77 
     - care to cite  skepticscott   Jan-21-11 07:44 PM   #75 
     - I dont think you get to define the word atheist  qazplm   Jan-31-11 01:08 PM   #133 
        - You are a day late and a dollar short.  cleanhippie   Jan-31-11 01:14 PM   #134 
     - If a person believes in god, but has room for doubt, then that person is a theist.  ZombieHorde   Jan-21-11 07:39 PM   #74 
     - i self identify as an atheist  BOG PERSON   Jan-21-11 01:15 PM   #36 
        - Interesting. You are the first I have ever met that defines themselves that way.  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 02:02 PM   #37 
     - Hmmmm...  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 11:24 AM   #20 
     - False.  Odin2005   Jan-21-11 03:34 PM   #41 
     - not according to a dictionary  BOG PERSON   Jan-21-11 03:48 PM   #42 
        - Which dictionary, and which definition?  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 04:00 PM   #44 
        - Exactly my point in another post  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 04:25 PM   #46 
        - What you are claiming is Humpty's Dictum...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 05:42 PM   #51 
           - You are picking one definition from a dictionary and stating it is the correct one,  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 05:45 PM   #53 
              - When two people communicate and use a word, they must come to a...  Ozymanithrax   Jan-21-11 05:59 PM   #56 
                 - Again you claim that your chosen definition is primary,  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 06:05 PM   #57 
                 - Any dictionary which completely ignores the etymology of the word  Goblinmonger   Jan-22-11 09:13 PM   #112 
        - Dictionaries list usages, not only technically correct definitions  dmallind   Jan-24-11 11:26 AM   #122 
     - "lack of belief is just a result of apathy or indifference or laziness"  Silent3   Jan-22-11 07:26 PM   #111 
     - Atheism is litterally a lack of belief...  Deep13   Jan-24-11 10:42 AM   #121 
  - This is what I meant about "semantics"  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 11:07 AM   #8 
     - Really? Even though it has been explained that a lack of belief...  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:36 AM   #25 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-21-11 12:29 PM   #31 
  - I think you're wrong.  Jackpine Radical   Jan-21-11 11:00 AM   #2 
  - I disagree, but thank you for your intelligent response.  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:05 AM   #6 
  - self delete, wrong place  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:02 AM   #4 
  - And I thought *I* was  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 11:03 AM   #5 
  - Well, this IS supposed to be a DISCUSSION forum, right?  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:06 AM   #7 
     - And given that I responded  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 11:13 AM   #12 
        - On that, your magic 8 ball may be right!  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:15 AM   #15 
  - You kind of have to "wake up" to become an atheist.  tinrobot   Jan-21-11 11:11 AM   #10 
  - You don't think that they believe in Santa, etc, BECAUSE they are taught that?  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:17 AM   #16 
  - Atheism is what happens when we educate ourselves to become rational adults.  tinrobot   Jan-21-11 01:01 PM   #34 
  - if you don't know about a god, you are an atheist regarding that god.  provis99   Feb-23-11 03:01 AM   #135 
  - technically true, but moot.  yodermon   Jan-21-11 11:12 AM   #11 
  - I think this depends on what you mean by atheist.  Skinner   Jan-21-11 11:15 AM   #14 
  - I think the commen definiton of atheism,  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:20 AM   #18 
  - I think my post made clear that I agree that babies are born with a lack of belief...  Skinner   Jan-21-11 11:25 AM   #21 
     - Fair enough, I just thought that your subject line was questioning that definition  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:27 AM   #22 
  - The very way this argument tends to go  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 11:35 AM   #24 
     - Consider this...  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:40 AM   #27 
        - Well, not exactly  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 12:53 PM   #33 
  - Wow, how insightful! (Delete snarky comment that originally was here.)  elocs   Jan-21-11 11:18 AM   #17 
  - Yes, but we are talking about believing in a god, not typing.  cleanhippie   Jan-21-11 11:21 AM   #19 
  - Everyone is an atheist. Most are too afraid to admit it! (eom)  Henryman   Jan-21-11 11:32 AM   # 
  - It has been my experience that dogamtism  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 11:38 AM   #26 
  - Everyone is an atheist. Most are too afraid to admit it! (eom)  Henryman   Jan-21-11 11:32 AM   #23 
  - If you subscribe to the tabula rosa theory of babies  TZ   Jan-21-11 11:48 AM   #28 
  - Which is something I find fascinating  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 01:04 PM   #35 
  - Hmm...everyone is born pretty much with no knowledge of  MineralMan   Jan-21-11 12:49 PM   #32 
  - You're right.  laconicsax   Jan-21-11 03:16 PM   #38 
  - Everyone is born really small, too.  GliderGuider   Jan-21-11 03:24 PM   #39 
  - Anybody else seen the documentary "Babies?"  onager   Jan-21-11 03:30 PM   #40 
  - I must be a contrarian,  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 03:55 PM   #43 
  - Thanks for the insight  Kelvin Mace   Jan-21-11 04:14 PM   #45 
  - This atheist thinks this is a very interesting post!  Odin2005   Jan-21-11 05:27 PM   #49 
  - I pick Wrong.  rug   Jan-21-11 06:36 PM   #61 
  - There is a whole subthread above that tackles that topic,  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 06:46 PM   #63 
  - One line is hardly a rehash.  rug   Jan-21-11 06:52 PM   #64 
     - That's your choice.  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 07:02 PM   #65 
        - That would be a thoughtful response had I said that.  rug   Jan-21-11 07:21 PM   #67 
           - You didn't say that?  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 07:26 PM   #69 
              - No.  rug   Jan-21-11 07:30 PM   #70 
                 - Your terseness once again works against you.  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 07:34 PM   #72 
                    - It might indeed.  rug   Jan-21-11 07:36 PM   #73 
  - I'll bet that I can name a dozen things...  laconicsax   Jan-21-11 07:03 PM   #66 
     - Be my guest.  rug   Jan-21-11 07:22 PM   #68 
        - Ok, here's a list of 12 things in which you have no belief and no prior concept of what they are:  laconicsax   Jan-21-11 08:04 PM   #76 
           - I wouldn't say I was born an acszabalist either.  rug   Jan-21-11 08:21 PM   #78 
              - Your response doesn't make sense--One isn't a Cszabalist or acszabalist.  laconicsax   Jan-21-11 09:53 PM   #81 
                 - or atheism.  rug   Jan-21-11 10:15 PM   #84 
                    - That's twice you've dodged the fact that you were wrong. n/t  laconicsax   Jan-21-11 10:39 PM   #85 
                       - [ ]  rug   Jan-21-11 11:01 PM   #86 
  - Yes.  Iggo   Jan-21-11 07:33 PM   #71 
  - I thought everyone was born a solipsist and then passed into ego-maniacal magical thinking  struggle4progress   Jan-21-11 08:46 PM   #79 
  - No one is born an atheist.  kwassa   Jan-21-11 09:44 PM   #80 
  - You could have done just fine without the last paragraph.  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 09:53 PM   #82 
  - I think frequency does validate religion  kwassa   Jan-21-11 11:37 PM   #90 
     - It is not universal, or we wouldn't be having this conversation.  darkstar3   Jan-22-11 12:20 AM   #95 
  - Superstition is a result of how our brains work.  laconicsax   Jan-21-11 10:05 PM   #83 
     - In your opinion  kwassa   Jan-21-11 11:34 PM   #88 
        - "Many million" also believe that gravity is just a theory.  darkstar3   Jan-21-11 11:37 PM   #89 
        - whatever  kwassa   Jan-21-11 11:42 PM   #91 
           - whatever, indeed.  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 10:53 AM   #97 
              - Religion is still a way to explain the unexplainable.  kwassa   Jan-22-11 10:29 PM   #114 
        - ...and that's a fallacy  laconicsax   Jan-22-11 12:03 AM   #93 
           - Where would R/T be without fallacious argumentation?  darkstar3   Jan-22-11 12:13 AM   #94 
  - To argue about a god one must first define a god  Angry Dragon   Jan-21-11 11:08 PM   #87 
  - Agreed.  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 10:54 AM   #98 
     - Can one have a religion without a god??  Angry Dragon   Jan-22-11 11:02 AM   #100 
        - My perimeters?  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 11:07 AM   #101 
           - Used the wrong word  Angry Dragon   Jan-22-11 11:22 AM   #102 
              - You make an interesting point.  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 11:35 AM   #103 
                 - Man has to apply what is around him to what he understands  Angry Dragon   Jan-22-11 01:05 PM   #106 
                    - Agreed.  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 01:52 PM   #108 
                       - Fear  Angry Dragon   Jan-22-11 04:10 PM   #110 
                          - We are not so different after all.  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 09:45 PM   #113 
                             - There is a slight problem with that  Angry Dragon   Jan-23-11 05:40 PM   #118 
                                - You don't have to...  cleanhippie   Jan-24-11 09:15 AM   #119 
  - In the same sense...  houstonintc   Jan-21-11 11:51 PM   #92 
  - you're right...  Jeffersons Ghost   Jan-22-11 04:06 AM   #96 
  - Or  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 10:55 AM   #99 
     - this is an issue I am grappling with CH  AlecBGreen   Jan-22-11 12:18 PM   #104 
        - I read a book that changed my whole mindset on this  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 12:57 PM   #105 
           - It looks like a good book and not too pricey either  AlecBGreen   Jan-22-11 01:18 PM   #107 
              - Well, I think the subject of "accepting"  cleanhippie   Jan-22-11 01:59 PM   #109 
  - Wrong.  Desertrose   Jan-23-11 12:19 PM   #115 
  - You are right, but not about me being wrong.  cleanhippie   Jan-23-11 03:14 PM   #117 
  - I certainly was.  Codeine   Jan-23-11 01:31 PM   #116 
  - I don't know if that is true.  Deep13   Jan-24-11 10:40 AM   #120 
  - Children are born without any ideology  peopleb4money   Jan-24-11 11:00 PM   #123 
  - Really? Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on the "ideology" of atheism.  laconicsax   Jan-24-11 11:39 PM   #124 
     - Its an assertion about reality  peopleb4money   Jan-25-11 10:34 PM   #125 
        - "A lot of"... how many is that?  cleanhippie   Jan-26-11 12:54 AM   #126 
        - Their leader is Richard Dawkins, and he's out to spread his ideology by force.  LAGC   Jan-28-11 02:58 AM   #129 
        - I don't think you actually understand what you're talking about.  laconicsax   Jan-26-11 02:06 AM   #127 
  - Not quite. I think folks are born with a natural curiosity about spiritual matters.  Pterodactyl   Jan-26-11 07:58 PM   #128 
     - I wasn't.  Codeine   Jan-30-11 10:21 AM   #130 
     - Can you provide any evidence that what you "think" has any merit as a fact?  cleanhippie   Jan-30-11 11:25 AM   #131 
     - Your opinion does in fact have some merit. It has been theorized that  humblebum   Jan-30-11 12:48 PM   #132 
 

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