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Fri Jan-21-11 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #21 |
| 22. Fair enough, I just thought that your subject line was questioning that definition |
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Edited on Fri Jan-21-11 11:28 AM by cleanhippie
No worries. Thanks for your input, I know you have limited time to weigh-in on trivial postings like mine.  |
| -Everyone is born an atheist. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 10:53 AM |
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not really |
BOG PERSON |
Jan-21-11 10:59 AM |
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No, atheism is a LACK of belief. Babies have a LACK of belief, ergo, they are atheists. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:00 AM |
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i have to disagree |
BOG PERSON |
Jan-21-11 11:08 AM |
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Really? I am an atheist and I never claimed that there is no god. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:14 AM |
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What you say makes you an agnostic by definition. |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 12:06 PM |
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But your definition implies a positive belief. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 12:18 PM |
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An agnostic has neither a positive belief or a negative beliefe... |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 04:46 PM |
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See #44, |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 04:59 PM |
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Words have real meanings...and if we let every individual define his own meaning... |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 05:30 PM |
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You ignore the fact that more definitions are recognized than your chosen pigeonhole. |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 05:43 PM |
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No, bu if you want to define a word you should recognize the primary definiton... |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 05:49 PM |
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Who are you to claim that your chosen definition is primary? |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 05:56 PM |
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Check out the dictionary. They put a (1) to show the primary meaning. |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 06:07 PM |
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WHICH dictionary? |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 06:12 PM |
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Oxfords English Dictionary... |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 06:19 PM |
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Don't have one of those handy, |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 06:43 PM |
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Wow, it is like Global warming denial. Don't look for the answer and you won't find it. |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 08:14 PM |
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care to cite |
skepticscott |
Jan-21-11 07:44 PM |
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I dont think you get to define the word atheist |
qazplm |
Jan-31-11 01:08 PM |
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You are a day late and a dollar short. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-31-11 01:14 PM |
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If a person believes in god, but has room for doubt, then that person is a theist. |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-21-11 07:39 PM |
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i self identify as an atheist |
BOG PERSON |
Jan-21-11 01:15 PM |
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Interesting. You are the first I have ever met that defines themselves that way. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 02:02 PM |
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Hmmmm... |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 11:24 AM |
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False. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-21-11 03:34 PM |
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not according to a dictionary |
BOG PERSON |
Jan-21-11 03:48 PM |
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Which dictionary, and which definition? |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 04:00 PM |
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Exactly my point in another post |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 04:25 PM |
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What you are claiming is Humpty's Dictum... |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 05:42 PM |
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You are picking one definition from a dictionary and stating it is the correct one, |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 05:45 PM |
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When two people communicate and use a word, they must come to a... |
Ozymanithrax |
Jan-21-11 05:59 PM |
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Again you claim that your chosen definition is primary, |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 06:05 PM |
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Any dictionary which completely ignores the etymology of the word |
Goblinmonger |
Jan-22-11 09:13 PM |
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Dictionaries list usages, not only technically correct definitions |
dmallind |
Jan-24-11 11:26 AM |
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"lack of belief is just a result of apathy or indifference or laziness" |
Silent3 |
Jan-22-11 07:26 PM |
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Atheism is litterally a lack of belief... |
Deep13 |
Jan-24-11 10:42 AM |
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This is what I meant about "semantics" |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 11:07 AM |
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Really? Even though it has been explained that a lack of belief... |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:36 AM |
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Jan-21-11 12:29 PM |
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I think you're wrong. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jan-21-11 11:00 AM |
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I disagree, but thank you for your intelligent response. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:05 AM |
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self delete, wrong place |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:02 AM |
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And I thought *I* was |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 11:03 AM |
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Well, this IS supposed to be a DISCUSSION forum, right? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:06 AM |
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And given that I responded |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 11:13 AM |
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On that, your magic 8 ball may be right! |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:15 AM |
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You kind of have to "wake up" to become an atheist. |
tinrobot |
Jan-21-11 11:11 AM |
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You don't think that they believe in Santa, etc, BECAUSE they are taught that? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:17 AM |
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Atheism is what happens when we educate ourselves to become rational adults. |
tinrobot |
Jan-21-11 01:01 PM |
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if you don't know about a god, you are an atheist regarding that god. |
provis99 |
Feb-23-11 03:01 AM |
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technically true, but moot. |
yodermon |
Jan-21-11 11:12 AM |
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I think this depends on what you mean by atheist. |
Skinner |
Jan-21-11 11:15 AM |
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I think the commen definiton of atheism, |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:20 AM |
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I think my post made clear that I agree that babies are born with a lack of belief... |
Skinner |
Jan-21-11 11:25 AM |
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Fair enough, I just thought that your subject line was questioning that definition |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:27 AM |
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The very way this argument tends to go |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 11:35 AM |
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Consider this... |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:40 AM |
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Well, not exactly |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 12:53 PM |
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Wow, how insightful! (Delete snarky comment that originally was here.) |
elocs |
Jan-21-11 11:18 AM |
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Yes, but we are talking about believing in a god, not typing. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-21-11 11:21 AM |
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Everyone is an atheist. Most are too afraid to admit it! (eom) |
Henryman |
Jan-21-11 11:32 AM |
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It has been my experience that dogamtism |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 11:38 AM |
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Everyone is an atheist. Most are too afraid to admit it! (eom) |
Henryman |
Jan-21-11 11:32 AM |
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If you subscribe to the tabula rosa theory of babies |
TZ |
Jan-21-11 11:48 AM |
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Which is something I find fascinating |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 01:04 PM |
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Hmm...everyone is born pretty much with no knowledge of |
MineralMan |
Jan-21-11 12:49 PM |
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You're right. |
laconicsax |
Jan-21-11 03:16 PM |
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Everyone is born really small, too. |
GliderGuider |
Jan-21-11 03:24 PM |
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Anybody else seen the documentary "Babies?" |
onager |
Jan-21-11 03:30 PM |
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I must be a contrarian, |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 03:55 PM |
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Thanks for the insight |
Kelvin Mace |
Jan-21-11 04:14 PM |
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This atheist thinks this is a very interesting post! |
Odin2005 |
Jan-21-11 05:27 PM |
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I pick Wrong. |
rug |
Jan-21-11 06:36 PM |
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There is a whole subthread above that tackles that topic, |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 06:46 PM |
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One line is hardly a rehash. |
rug |
Jan-21-11 06:52 PM |
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That's your choice. |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 07:02 PM |
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That would be a thoughtful response had I said that. |
rug |
Jan-21-11 07:21 PM |
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You didn't say that? |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 07:26 PM |
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No. |
rug |
Jan-21-11 07:30 PM |
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Your terseness once again works against you. |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 07:34 PM |
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It might indeed. |
rug |
Jan-21-11 07:36 PM |
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I'll bet that I can name a dozen things... |
laconicsax |
Jan-21-11 07:03 PM |
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Be my guest. |
rug |
Jan-21-11 07:22 PM |
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Ok, here's a list of 12 things in which you have no belief and no prior concept of what they are: |
laconicsax |
Jan-21-11 08:04 PM |
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I wouldn't say I was born an acszabalist either. |
rug |
Jan-21-11 08:21 PM |
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Your response doesn't make sense--One isn't a Cszabalist or acszabalist. |
laconicsax |
Jan-21-11 09:53 PM |
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or atheism. |
rug |
Jan-21-11 10:15 PM |
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That's twice you've dodged the fact that you were wrong. n/t |
laconicsax |
Jan-21-11 10:39 PM |
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[ ] |
rug |
Jan-21-11 11:01 PM |
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Yes. |
Iggo |
Jan-21-11 07:33 PM |
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I thought everyone was born a solipsist and then passed into ego-maniacal magical thinking |
struggle4progress |
Jan-21-11 08:46 PM |
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No one is born an atheist. |
kwassa |
Jan-21-11 09:44 PM |
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You could have done just fine without the last paragraph. |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 09:53 PM |
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I think frequency does validate religion |
kwassa |
Jan-21-11 11:37 PM |
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It is not universal, or we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
darkstar3 |
Jan-22-11 12:20 AM |
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Superstition is a result of how our brains work. |
laconicsax |
Jan-21-11 10:05 PM |
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In your opinion |
kwassa |
Jan-21-11 11:34 PM |
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"Many million" also believe that gravity is just a theory. |
darkstar3 |
Jan-21-11 11:37 PM |
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whatever |
kwassa |
Jan-21-11 11:42 PM |
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whatever, indeed. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 10:53 AM |
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Religion is still a way to explain the unexplainable. |
kwassa |
Jan-22-11 10:29 PM |
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...and that's a fallacy |
laconicsax |
Jan-22-11 12:03 AM |
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Where would R/T be without fallacious argumentation? |
darkstar3 |
Jan-22-11 12:13 AM |
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To argue about a god one must first define a god |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-21-11 11:08 PM |
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Agreed. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 10:54 AM |
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Can one have a religion without a god?? |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-22-11 11:02 AM |
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My perimeters? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 11:07 AM |
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Used the wrong word |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-22-11 11:22 AM |
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You make an interesting point. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 11:35 AM |
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Man has to apply what is around him to what he understands |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-22-11 01:05 PM |
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Agreed. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 01:52 PM |
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Fear |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-22-11 04:10 PM |
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We are not so different after all. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 09:45 PM |
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There is a slight problem with that |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-23-11 05:40 PM |
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You don't have to... |
cleanhippie |
Jan-24-11 09:15 AM |
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In the same sense... |
houstonintc |
Jan-21-11 11:51 PM |
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you're right... |
Jeffersons Ghost |
Jan-22-11 04:06 AM |
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Or |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 10:55 AM |
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this is an issue I am grappling with CH |
AlecBGreen |
Jan-22-11 12:18 PM |
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I read a book that changed my whole mindset on this |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 12:57 PM |
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It looks like a good book and not too pricey either |
AlecBGreen |
Jan-22-11 01:18 PM |
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Well, I think the subject of "accepting" |
cleanhippie |
Jan-22-11 01:59 PM |
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Wrong. |
Desertrose |
Jan-23-11 12:19 PM |
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You are right, but not about me being wrong. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-23-11 03:14 PM |
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I certainly was. |
Codeine |
Jan-23-11 01:31 PM |
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I don't know if that is true. |
Deep13 |
Jan-24-11 10:40 AM |
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Children are born without any ideology |
peopleb4money |
Jan-24-11 11:00 PM |
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Really? Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on the "ideology" of atheism. |
laconicsax |
Jan-24-11 11:39 PM |
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Its an assertion about reality |
peopleb4money |
Jan-25-11 10:34 PM |
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"A lot of"... how many is that? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-26-11 12:54 AM |
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Their leader is Richard Dawkins, and he's out to spread his ideology by force. |
LAGC |
Jan-28-11 02:58 AM |
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I don't think you actually understand what you're talking about. |
laconicsax |
Jan-26-11 02:06 AM |
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Not quite. I think folks are born with a natural curiosity about spiritual matters. |
Pterodactyl |
Jan-26-11 07:58 PM |
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I wasn't. |
Codeine |
Jan-30-11 10:21 AM |
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Can you provide any evidence that what you "think" has any merit as a fact? |
cleanhippie |
Jan-30-11 11:25 AM |
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Your opinion does in fact have some merit. It has been theorized that |
humblebum |
Jan-30-11 12:48 PM |
#132 |
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