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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 06:04 PM
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25. Don't know, actually.
"False equivalence" is sometimes a scare word. Having labelled something as "false equivalence," your audience perceives that word "false" and assumes, therefore, that atheists don't have their own quirks.

The real equivalence isn't between religion and atheism but between different forms of adherence to ineffective "cures." Distilled water a la homeopathy, praying a la fundamentlism, shoving bonebreak or black cohosh into a kid a la naturopathy.

I've seen both fundies and atheists go along torturing their kids before rushing them to the ER. The kids survived, but the prayer or distilled water didn't do a heck of a whole lot to ensure their survival.

One difference is that while most preachers, naturopaths and homeopathists usually tell the parents to rush to the evil allopathy folk, a vanishingly small number of preachers can still say, "It's god's will" and encourage parents to keep their sick ones home.

Still, a lot of the parents that do this kind of thing for religious reasons aren't encouraged to do it by their ministers. With there being more fundies than homeopathists and die-hard naturopathy folk you don't expect numerical equivalency. But I wonder if there aren't cases of negligent homicide which, because they're not sensationist but involve herbs or distilled water qua drug, don't rate national news. (Of course, I have this assumption that there's not a fundamental weirdness about Xian fundies that isn't shared by other "fundamentalist" outlooks.)
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  -Pa. couple who only prayed for dying tot convicted ZombieHorde  Dec-11-10 06:20 PM   #0 
  - Hey clark, you are an idiot  Angry Dragon   Dec-11-10 06:22 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-10 06:23 PM   #2 
  - Undiagnosed urinary blockage.  Doremus   Dec-11-10 06:23 PM   #3 
  - Although I do not like to step on religious toes,  Curmudgeoness   Dec-11-10 06:36 PM   #4 
  - if any toes needing stepping on  bowens43   Dec-11-10 08:55 PM   #6 
     - I tend to agree with you, but also feel that if you do not harm  Curmudgeoness   Dec-11-10 10:11 PM   #9 
        - Depends on what your definitin of "harm" is.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 10:19 AM   #38 
  - these idiots should spend the rest of their lives in jail.  bowens43   Dec-11-10 08:54 PM   #5 
  - Fundamentalist religion is Child Abuse.  Odin2005   Dec-11-10 09:09 PM   #7 
  - Yes, but "fundamentalist" atheists  skepticscott   Dec-11-10 09:14 PM   #8 
     - Oh No! Nothing like this would ever happen among atheists. Yeh right.  humblebum   Dec-11-10 10:41 PM   #10 
        - no, it would not happen with atheists. They do not believe in god.  provis99   Dec-11-10 11:32 PM   #12 
        - Did I even say that it would happen with atheists? That's  humblebum   Dec-12-10 02:01 AM   #15 
        - Would you like to suggest a situation where an atheist parent would...  laconicsax   Dec-12-10 12:31 AM   #13 
        - They knock off a dozen kids a year. Atheists... how many?  immoderate   Dec-12-10 01:01 AM   #14 
        - Don't know, actually.  Igel   Dec-12-10 06:04 PM   #25 
           - Atheism doesn't endorse medicinal philosophies. Religion does.  immoderate   Dec-12-10 09:48 PM   #32 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-12-10 07:05 AM   #17 
        - I would say that you are going to be waiting for a long time because  humblebum   Dec-12-10 07:14 AM   #18 
           - So in other words  skepticscott   Dec-12-10 07:16 AM   #19 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-12-10 07:54 AM   #20 
              - If I couldn't handle  skepticscott   Dec-12-10 11:56 AM   #21 
                 - Obviously you can't handle the criticism if you found something  humblebum   Dec-13-10 09:22 AM   #34 
                    - Obviously you cannot substantiate your rediculous claims.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 10:25 AM   #43 
                    - Self delete  skepticscott   Dec-13-10 08:13 PM   #56 
                    - Or maybe  darkstar3   Dec-13-10 10:40 AM   #46 
                    - You're assuming  skepticscott   Dec-13-10 08:21 PM   #58 
        - Ugh. At it again, I see.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 10:21 AM   #40 
  - Just as bad are politicians who prevent passage of meaningful child protection laws.  qb   Dec-11-10 11:13 PM   #11 
  - religion never hurt anyone and nobody does anything bad because of religion  dmallind   Dec-12-10 02:02 AM   #16 
  - What a sad story. Fortunately, almost nobody does this: there are about 60 million  struggle4progress   Dec-12-10 05:34 PM   #22 
  - My Koresh, I'd laugh if it wasn't so sadly predictable...  trotsky   Dec-12-10 05:42 PM   #23 
  - If you know a way to reduce the occurrence, I'm sure everyone would be interested to hear it  struggle4progress   Dec-12-10 06:02 PM   #24 
     - Please tell us  skepticscott   Dec-12-10 06:23 PM   #27 
     - My post asked how to reduce the occurrence. There are all manner of entirely preventable deaths  struggle4progress   Dec-12-10 07:00 PM   #31 
        - Ah but you see, we DO take steps to prevent accidental deaths.  trotsky   Dec-13-10 07:01 AM   #33 
        - So now you are making the absurd assertion that religion causes child abuse?  humblebum   Dec-13-10 09:47 AM   #35 
        - No, you appear to making that absurd assertion.  trotsky   Dec-13-10 10:20 AM   #39 
        - Asking for an honest answer is not a strawman. You really need to do  humblebum   Dec-13-10 10:25 AM   #42 
           - Yes, I'm avoiding your strawman. I have no interest in addressing it.  trotsky   Dec-13-10 11:00 AM   #47 
           - He DID answer you. He said "No" then explained that it is YOU making that absurd assertion.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 03:44 PM   #54 
        - Not in the name of atheism they don't.  cleanhippie   Dec-13-10 10:28 AM   #44 
        - It's dishonest to say nobody does anything to prevent such incidents  struggle4progress   Dec-13-10 10:05 AM   #36 
           - I am glad you can ease your conscience...  trotsky   Dec-13-10 10:22 AM   #41 
              - Have a nice day  struggle4progress   Dec-13-10 10:30 AM   #45 
        - Your original post was intended  skepticscott   Dec-13-10 08:17 PM   #57 
           - My first post #22 pointed out that there are about 1800 child abuse/neglect cases annually,  struggle4progress   Dec-13-10 08:52 PM   #59 
              - Minimization through statististics will not change the incredibly heinous nature of these acts.  darkstar3   Dec-13-10 09:58 PM   #60 
                 - I see lots of noise without any ideas  struggle4progress   Dec-13-10 10:16 PM   #61 
                    - And?  darkstar3   Dec-13-10 10:29 PM   #62 
                       - Have a nice day  struggle4progress   Dec-13-10 10:55 PM   #63 
                          - False sincerity is unbecoming.  darkstar3   Dec-13-10 11:45 PM   #64 
     - A difficult problem only because of the highly privileged position...  trotsky   Dec-12-10 06:40 PM   #30 
        - No, it's a difficult problem because the absolute numbers are small and because the families  struggle4progress   Dec-13-10 10:10 AM   #37 
           - And the society is highly phobic of criticizing religious beliefs.  trotsky   Dec-13-10 11:28 AM   #48 
              - Jury convicted in this case, as I read the OP. YMMV, of course. If you know of evidence  struggle4progress   Dec-13-10 11:54 AM   #49 
                 - Yes of course, after the fact.  trotsky   Dec-13-10 12:04 PM   #50 
                    - IIRC, juries typically convict "after the fact." I suspect there are some reasons for that.  struggle4progress   Dec-13-10 12:16 PM   #51 
                    - I understand all you have left is trying to distort.  trotsky   Dec-13-10 12:22 PM   #53 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-13-10 12:17 PM   #52 
  - A dozen that you know of  skepticscott   Dec-12-10 06:18 PM   #26 
  - Fair enough criticism regarding the numbers, but it is the statistic cited by the link in the OP.  struggle4progress   Dec-12-10 06:32 PM   #29 
     - Here's a source you might try  MountainLaurel   Dec-14-10 04:09 PM   #65 
        - I'm not sure what the criteria are for inclusion on that webpage: it's a hodge-podge of cases  struggle4progress   Dec-14-10 06:00 PM   #66 
  - LOL. Oh struggle4progress, what would we do without you?  ZombieHorde   Dec-12-10 06:28 PM   #28 
  - Here we go again. And again. And again............  DeSwiss   Dec-13-10 05:07 PM   #55 

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