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36. whoa. that;'s some flawed reasoning.
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  -"Jesus" Inspired Ghandi & MLK. Atheists - What Have You Got to Match That? NashVegas  Dec-01-10 10:53 AM   #0 
  - Gandhi was actually Hindu and appealed to the Gita  struggle4progress   Dec-01-10 10:56 AM   #1 
  - Gandhi was a Hindu  H2O Man   Dec-01-10 10:57 AM   #2 
  - *Really*?  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 10:59 AM   #4 
  - Actually, Gandhi  H2O Man   Dec-01-10 12:02 PM   #66 
  - The he was ignorant in that regard  Goblinmonger   Dec-01-10 12:05 PM   #68 
  - Ha!  H2O Man   Dec-01-10 12:14 PM   #75 
     - My point is that it is all mythology  Goblinmonger   Dec-01-10 12:23 PM   #80 
        - Questions regarding  H2O Man   Dec-01-10 12:32 PM   #92 
        - Myths can be inspirational too...  JuniperLea   Dec-01-10 01:49 PM   #143 
  - Well That's Even More Concrete  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 12:08 PM   #70 
  - Gandhi very pointedly and deliberately remained Hindu. There seems to be no question  struggle4progress   Dec-01-10 04:48 PM   #176 
  - True, but he also was influenced by tenets of Christianity and other religions n/t  deutsey   Dec-01-10 01:19 PM   #130 
     - He was also influenced by Atheists. Cripes, his second in command, Nehru...  PassingFair   Dec-02-10 08:16 AM   #179 
        - Right, he was very much Vedantic in his worldview, imo.  deutsey   Dec-02-10 08:21 AM   #180 
  - Nothing, perhaps it should be mandatory that everyone be theists..  Fumesucker   Dec-01-10 10:59 AM   #3 
  - Or Maybe ...  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 11:01 AM   #5 
     - That goes both ways. nt  TBF   Dec-01-10 11:02 AM   #7 
     - Are you saying you're a Christian?  JuniperLea   Dec-01-10 11:07 AM   #19 
     - And some of us have had enough of theism proponent's ridiculous belief..  Fumesucker   Dec-01-10 11:07 AM   #20 
     - You poor, persecuted Christian!  EOTE   Dec-01-10 11:16 AM   #30 
     - Lashing out at imaginary militant atheists?  Edweird   Dec-01-10 11:19 AM   #38 
     - Amen to that  kctim   Dec-01-10 11:20 AM   #41 
     - Quick question for you.  EOTE   Dec-01-10 11:25 AM   #48 
     - I Just Might  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 11:37 AM   #53 
        - Who the fuck is crowing about anything?  EOTE   Dec-01-10 11:40 AM   #54 
           - Hey! Ix-nay on the illboards-bay!  trotsky   Dec-01-10 11:51 AM   #58 
              - You're missing a step there.  EOTE   Dec-01-10 12:01 PM   #65 
              - forgot steps 4 and 5...  SidDithers   Dec-01-10 12:16 PM   #76 
                 - Profit? maybe.  cleanhippie   Dec-01-10 12:41 PM   #103 
     - It's strange that you focus on the hubris of some atheists. Isn't it more  mudplanet   Dec-01-10 11:48 AM   #56 
     - Heh. ha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!  Zoeisright   Dec-01-10 12:24 PM   #82 
     - Uh, atheists don't have belief. Thats what makes them atheists.  cleanhippie   Dec-01-10 12:38 PM   #99 
     - Some of us are tired as hell of the stereotypes pushed by the right...and a few on the left....  tpsbmam   Dec-01-10 12:45 PM   #107 
     - If you believe in magic, it's not my fault that I think it's stupid. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-01-10 01:48 PM   #140 
  - Jesus also inspired...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-01-10 11:02 AM   #6 
  - Inspiration? Or Excuse?  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 11:07 AM   #17 
  - They are Christians inspired by the Christian message...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-01-10 11:16 AM   #29 
  - Here's one for you...  Flubadubya   Dec-01-10 11:20 AM   #39 
  - Check out Secular humanism...  Ozymanithrax   Dec-01-10 11:20 AM   #40 
  - Start looking through this list..  sinkingfeeling   Dec-01-10 11:51 AM   #59 
  - Pastors told the puritans who migrated that god had cleared the land for them  RainDog   Dec-01-10 01:56 PM   #147 
  - False. Absolutely False  demwing   Dec-18-10 07:41 PM   #216 
  - Jesus inspired countless wars...  joeybee12   Dec-01-10 11:03 AM   #8 
  - Um, weren't the communists atheists?  originalpckelly   Dec-01-10 12:06 PM   #69 
     - Did they actually fight OVER that? nt  joeybee12   Dec-01-10 12:31 PM   #90 
     - Communism was a state religion in a way.  MedicalAdmin   Dec-01-10 12:43 PM   #104 
  - Jesus also inspired the Inbquisition, the Crusades, the Salem Witch trials,  Speck Tater   Dec-01-10 11:03 AM   #9 
  - Oh, c'mon, Jesus was the first recorded Captain Deathwish. You really think Nietzsche  bluetrain   Dec-01-10 11:04 AM   #10 
  - LOL  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 12:19 PM   #77 
  - James Randi  TlalocW   Dec-01-10 11:04 AM   #11 
  - James Randi - the original "to catch a thief"  MedicalAdmin   Dec-01-10 12:51 PM   #117 
     - Well, it is technically a non-profit foundation he's running... and  TlalocW   Dec-01-10 01:01 PM   #122 
     - Why be a fan of someone who's life's work is promoting truth and rationality?  immoderate   Dec-19-10 04:32 PM   #219 
  - I'm inspired by Frodo Baggins, who, like Jesus...  SidDithers   Dec-01-10 11:04 AM   #12 
  - Heh! Sid, I swear you are a kin to my pal...  JuniperLea   Dec-01-10 11:09 AM   #22 
     - Any friend of yours...  SidDithers   Dec-01-10 11:10 AM   #23 
  - All those guys... and Rumi... and Mother Theresa...  JuniperLea   Dec-01-10 11:04 AM   #13 
  - The Deeper Question  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 12:30 PM   #88 
     - Greeks and Romans inspired the founders of the U.S.  RainDog   Dec-01-10 01:43 PM   #137 
     - They Weren't Known  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 02:00 PM   #150 
        - They also didn't create the American revolution  RainDog   Dec-01-10 02:36 PM   #168 
     - If you wanted an answer to your "deeper question"  JuniperLea   Dec-01-10 01:47 PM   #138 
     - It Was Already There  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 02:02 PM   #152 
        - So you want people to "read into" your OP?  JuniperLea   Dec-01-10 04:03 PM   #174 
     - Uh, did you forget about  skepticscott   Dec-02-10 08:21 PM   #196 
  - All of humanity?  eShirl   Dec-01-10 11:05 AM   #14 
  - I think your point is  BoneDaddy   Dec-01-10 11:05 AM   #15 
  - Basically  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 11:23 AM   #45 
  - What was the Enlightenment then? Chopped liver?  BurtWorm   Dec-01-10 11:06 AM   #16 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-01-10 12:30 PM   #89 
  - The OP is so full of FAIL and IGNORANCE....  PassingFair   Dec-02-10 08:33 AM   #181 
  - Nice try  Amaril   Dec-01-10 11:07 AM   #18 
  - Some more -- influential thinkers and leaders...  Brickbat   Dec-01-10 11:16 AM   #28 
  - Einstein Was Not An Atheist  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 11:17 AM   #32 
     - Do you mean like Lenin? Also, religion or the inspiration of Jesus is not the only reason people  Brickbat   Dec-01-10 11:22 AM   #44 
     - Einstein most certainly was not a religious believer  RainDog   Dec-01-10 11:24 AM   #46 
     - Einstein Was a Tease  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 12:33 PM   #93 
        - He definitively stated that he thought the bible was like a fairytale for children  RainDog   Dec-01-10 01:30 PM   #134 
           - My understanding is that he was a Diest...  Township75   Dec-01-10 02:09 PM   #154 
              - That's About the Best I've Found  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 02:29 PM   #165 
     - Boudicca. nt  enlightenment   Dec-01-10 01:49 PM   #141 
  - The Enlightenment. American Democracy. The French Revolution  RainDog   Dec-01-10 11:08 AM   #21 
  - Albert Einstein  RainDog   Dec-01-10 11:11 AM   #24 
  - was not an aethist...  Township75   Dec-01-10 01:52 PM   #145 
     - Not quite. "My religion", he said, "consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-02-10 09:48 AM   #182 
        - re the susceptibiilty of light to refraction, absorption, etc, well, it does  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-02-10 06:38 PM   #194 
           - Perhaps you'd like to expound on this:  darkstar3   Dec-02-10 07:05 PM   #195 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 08:20 AM   #199 
                 - Try me.  darkstar3   Dec-03-10 08:28 AM   #200 
                 - If you want to learn about the Cosmic Christ, read the books of the  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-03-10 08:50 AM   #203 
                 - Ah yes, the "last word" for a Christian.  trotsky   Dec-03-10 08:54 AM   #205 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 09:31 AM   #209 
                    - Yes, I can plainly see that you are anticipating with glee...  trotsky   Dec-03-10 10:32 AM   #212 
                 - Non-sequitur.  darkstar3   Dec-03-10 09:00 AM   #206 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-03-10 09:09 AM   #207 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 09:30 AM   #208 
                    - Wiki isn't a trustworthy source of info, nor is it a textbook.  darkstar3   Dec-03-10 09:40 AM   #210 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 10:28 AM   #211 
                          - Ignoring your insulting attack on atheists, I say:  darkstar3   Dec-03-10 10:38 AM   #213 
                             - Tell me, why does light always hit the earth's surface at its constant speed,  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-03-10 11:35 AM   #214 
                                - Now you're confusing tolerances in precision of measurement with constancy.  darkstar3   Dec-03-10 11:51 AM   #215 
                 - You get so many posts deleted because you engage in foul personal attacks.  trotsky   Dec-03-10 08:31 AM   #201 
                    - I see posts by atheists on here virtually every day, sneering at Christianity, and.  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-03-10 08:48 AM   #202 
                       - But they are not personal attacks.  trotsky   Dec-03-10 08:53 AM   #204 
  - And if you simply want to talk about "fighting off the man"  RainDog   Dec-01-10 11:13 AM   #25 
  - Yeah That Worked Out Pretty Well For Stalin  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 11:50 AM   #57 
     - Working for the greater good is an irrational act? What the?  Brickbat   Dec-01-10 12:21 PM   #79 
     - Stalin arguably did more for India's independence than Gandhi  JVS   Dec-01-10 12:29 PM   #87 
     - the question was - when did a group "stand up to the man"  RainDog   Dec-01-10 01:32 PM   #135 
  - Humanists may draw from all moral philosophy. We get everybody!  jpgray   Dec-01-10 11:13 AM   #26 
  - I'll take the Founding Fathers for $100.  sinkingfeeling   Dec-01-10 11:15 AM   #27 
  - Incredible, huh, that so many Americans cannot even seem to connect  RainDog   Dec-01-10 11:17 AM   #31 
  - Deists  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 11:17 AM   #34 
     - Jefferson did not believe in god  RainDog   Dec-01-10 11:19 AM   #37 
     - The founders were Deists because it was before Darwin, they thought a creator was needed.  Odin2005   Dec-18-10 11:41 PM   #218 
     - It's not Christianity either.  BurtWorm   Dec-01-10 11:30 AM   #50 
     - As far as divine inspiration goes, Deists get the same as Athesits  LostInAnomie   Dec-01-10 01:59 PM   #148 
        - Atheists don't believe in a god or "Intelligent Design", i.e. Einstein's "illimitable, superior  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-02-10 09:52 AM   #183 
           - Einstein's "illimitable, superior spirit" could easily be nothing more than energy,  darkstar3   Dec-02-10 09:55 AM   #184 
              - You mean, "energy with a brain". Hadn't thought of that. Can't think why.  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-02-10 10:46 AM   #185 
                 - A laughable claim, unless of course you can prove the following:  darkstar3   Dec-02-10 11:21 AM   #186 
                    - A and B are pure cretinism. As for C, you've already forgotten the  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-02-10 11:47 AM   #189 
                       - Cretinism? What an awful dodge.  darkstar3   Dec-02-10 11:52 AM   #190 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-10 12:17 PM   #191 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-10 01:01 PM   #192 
  - When's the last time an atheist murdered a doctor or bombed a doctor's office due to their beliefs?  Edweird   Dec-01-10 11:17 AM   #33 
  - +1  AndrewP   Dec-01-10 12:09 PM   #71 
  - +1000000000  Zoeisright   Dec-01-10 12:28 PM   #86 
  - Pragmatist at best?  Vinnie From Indy   Dec-01-10 11:17 AM   #35 
  - Should Have Read  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 12:37 PM   #98 
  - whoa. that;'s some flawed reasoning.  cali   Dec-01-10 11:18 AM   #36 
  - Sci-fi books inspire scientists to create new technology.  mkultra   Dec-01-10 11:21 AM   #42 
  - So is your point that we should tell people to believe in Jesus even if we don't?  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-01-10 11:21 AM   #43 
  - Aqua Buddha!  Enrique   Dec-01-10 11:25 AM   #47 
  - LOL...  Rebubula   Dec-01-10 11:29 AM   #49 
  - So what?  trotsky   Dec-01-10 11:33 AM   #51 
  - why is this crapfest not in the religion forum?  Warren Stupidity   Dec-01-10 11:36 AM   #52 
  - It's bait.  mudplanet   Dec-01-10 11:52 AM   #60 
  - "Go away! Baitin'!"  gmoney   Dec-01-10 01:24 PM   #132 
  - Rompin' Ronnie Hawkins?..nt  SidDithers   Dec-01-10 12:09 PM   #72 
  - "jesus" may inspire atheists as well.  montanto   Dec-01-10 11:42 AM   #55 
  - Jainism inspired them  Juche   Dec-01-10 11:53 AM   #61 
  - Isaac Asimov, Carl Sagan, and, of course,  hfojvt   Dec-01-10 11:54 AM   #62 
  - See Anyone Stand Up to a Police Baton For Them?  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 12:12 PM   #74 
     - While not all are non-theists how many Left Union supporters have stood up to a baton?  JanMichael   Dec-01-10 12:25 PM   #83 
     - Northern western Europe is socialist - i.e. Marxist - with a mixed economy  RainDog   Dec-01-10 02:11 PM   #155 
  - I commend you for starting this discussion.  Renew Deal   Dec-01-10 11:54 AM   #63 
  - Yeah, Well  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 12:11 PM   #73 
  - You were a Clinton supporter?  Renew Deal   Dec-01-10 12:34 PM   #95 
  - This isn't a discussion, it's stupid flamebait. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-01-10 12:49 PM   #112 
     - No more than other similar threads on DU.  Renew Deal   Dec-01-10 01:08 PM   #127 
     - +1  darkstar3   Dec-01-10 02:13 PM   #157 
  - Me!  sammytko   Dec-01-10 11:59 AM   #64 
  - It wasn't Jesus, it was Thoreau.  Goblinmonger   Dec-01-10 12:04 PM   #67 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-01-10 12:24 PM   #81 
  - I'd say Leo Tolstoy more so...nt  joeybee12   Dec-01-10 12:40 PM   #102 
  - It is not WHAT you believe in religiously/spiritually, but what you DO with it  uppityperson   Dec-01-10 12:20 PM   #78 
  - Amen.  emilyg   Dec-01-10 12:27 PM   #85 
  - Marx was an atheist and he inspired a lot of people to kick some oppressive ass.  JVS   Dec-01-10 12:26 PM   #84 
  - As Noted Upthread  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 12:48 PM   #111 
  - If you think Marxism isn't hacking it, then non-violence is certainly not hacking it.  JVS   Dec-01-10 12:52 PM   #118 
  - Marx has a uniquely religious way of view the world  FamousBlueRaincoat   Dec-02-10 09:11 PM   #197 
  - Geez, religious people are defensive.  Evoman   Dec-01-10 12:32 PM   #91 
  - The cognitive dissonance of knowing that they believe in magical sky-daddies  superduperfarleft   Dec-01-10 12:35 PM   #96 
     - It's all quite interesting.  Evoman   Dec-01-10 12:40 PM   #101 
     - Unlike such unfailingly kind and polite people like you. nt  uppityperson   Dec-01-10 12:45 PM   #106 
        - Let's compare the two:  superduperfarleft   Dec-01-10 12:48 PM   #109 
           - It starts with snarky comments, next thing you know, you're writing books.  Evoman   Dec-01-10 12:52 PM   #119 
           - Bad things have been done by fundamentalists of all types and in the name of many religions  uppityperson   Dec-01-10 01:04 PM   #125 
  - Imaginary figures have "inspired" lots of things.  superduperfarleft   Dec-01-10 12:33 PM   #94 
  - Jesus is something totally different from American Christianity.  mmonk   Dec-01-10 12:36 PM   #97 
  - You nailed it...  JuniperLea   Dec-01-10 01:53 PM   #146 
  - Not worshipping Athene has doomed humanity. nt  athenasatanjesus   Dec-01-10 12:40 PM   #100 
  - Dr. Jonas Salk.  RadiationTherapy   Dec-01-10 12:45 PM   #105 
  - "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."  babydollhead   Dec-01-10 12:47 PM   #108 
  - You are making an argument for religion as a form of inspiration  Hello_Kitty   Dec-01-10 12:48 PM   #110 
  - "Doesn't mean Santa Claus is real. "  superduperfarleft   Dec-01-10 12:50 PM   #115 
  - What????  Forkboy   Dec-01-10 12:50 PM   #116 
  - lol!  Vickers   Dec-01-10 01:07 PM   #126 
  - So?  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 01:12 PM   #128 
  - So? People blow themselves up for Allah.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-01-10 01:17 PM   #129 
  - And Yet  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 02:58 PM   #171 
  - So you're saying we should fool the masses into believing  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-01-10 03:41 PM   #173 
  - I think that may be the point the OP is trying to make.  Township75   Dec-01-10 02:00 PM   #149 
     - Shhhhhh  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 02:03 PM   #153 
     - I disagree with the premise of the OP  Hello_Kitty   Dec-01-10 02:15 PM   #159 
  - All religion oppresses women  ismnotwasm   Dec-01-10 12:49 PM   #113 
  - Here ya go. Enjoy. You can stop with the nonsense now.  cleanhippie   Dec-01-10 12:50 PM   #114 
  - Turtle Island  Tsiyu   Dec-01-10 12:58 PM   #120 
  - So you come up with 2 figures who were inspired by the Christian Messiah  pink-o   Dec-01-10 12:58 PM   #121 
  - A Xerox of my butt cheeks. n/t  Vickers   Dec-01-10 01:02 PM   #123 
  - Nice flame bait...  ProudDad   Dec-01-10 01:03 PM   #124 
  - Why can't you guys settle this in a more civilized manner?  MilesColtrane   Dec-01-10 01:19 PM   #131 
  - Perhaps the Super Best Friends could help decide.  EOTE   Dec-01-10 01:24 PM   #133 
     - I can't watch that at work, but remember that show...  Township75   Dec-01-10 02:11 PM   #156 
        - Your memory serves, except the fire came from his hands and not his breath.  darkstar3   Dec-01-10 02:21 PM   #162 
        - Thanks.  Township75   Dec-01-10 02:23 PM   #163 
        - Your memory is pretty good.  EOTE   Dec-01-10 02:32 PM   #166 
           - No they didn't!  darkstar3   Dec-01-10 02:34 PM   #167 
              - My bad, I didn't realize that the controversy had time to ramp up.  EOTE   Dec-01-10 02:47 PM   #170 
  - How can you get inspiration from nothing?  darkstar3   Dec-01-10 01:40 PM   #136 
  - Haven't those atheist writers heard of...  Township75   Dec-01-10 02:01 PM   #151 
     - False equivalency.  darkstar3   Dec-01-10 02:16 PM   #160 
     - I disagree.  Township75   Dec-01-10 02:21 PM   #161 
        - I was part of that movement, bumper sticker and all, and I can tell you that you are wrong.  darkstar3   Dec-01-10 02:24 PM   #164 
        - 99% of those on DU were part of that movement...  Township75   Dec-01-10 02:47 PM   #169 
           - But in order to make that response, you are creating a falsehood.  darkstar3   Dec-01-10 03:01 PM   #172 
           - "anybody" does not equal "nobody"  MNBrewer   Dec-01-10 04:24 PM   #175 
        - And It Was Ultimately Unsuccessful  NashVegas   Dec-01-10 05:11 PM   #177 
     - There are plenty of theistic alternatives to Jesus.  Deep13   Dec-02-10 11:43 AM   #188 
  - We will never know because so many are closeted.  newportdadde   Dec-01-10 01:47 PM   #139 
  - "Jesus" inspired Hitler  MNBrewer   Dec-01-10 01:49 PM   #142 
  - We don't need a human sacrifice to confirm our morality.  IRemember   Dec-01-10 01:51 PM   #144 
  - I get my inspiration from Science and natural processes.  Lucian   Dec-01-10 02:14 PM   #158 
  - Some wise soul already picked Buddha, so I'm going Socrates.  dimbear   Dec-01-10 06:49 PM   #178 
  - Is this a contest?  Deep13   Dec-02-10 11:39 AM   #187 
  - If Jesus was alive today...  greendog   Dec-02-10 04:09 PM   #193 
  - Gandhi wasn't a Christian; he was a Hindu  LeftishBrit   Dec-03-10 06:47 AM   #198 
  - Tom Paine. Albert Eistein. Carl Sagan. Siddhartha Gautama. Socrates.  Odin2005   Dec-18-10 11:38 PM   #217 
 

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