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Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a mans enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

The first important observation is to recognize that Jesus does not speak about "the sword", but about "a sword". Jesus is not a prophet of the sword. The sword of violence, force and war has no place in his message. What kind of sword is he talking about?

The above passage speaks about the consequence of being obedient to the command of Jesus that we are to preach his message. Some will listen and accept it but many will reject it and react violently.

We will be hated for the message of repentance that we have to bring. We will be hated because we call people from evil to light and because this message exposes their evil deeds.

For many it will mean that even our own family will turn against us.

What kind of sword? It is the sword of division that God's word brings. It is the division of truth from error, and the reaction of the darkness against the light. The sword that Jesus brings, is the sword that his followers have to suffer, a sword that is applied to them, not a sword that they wield against others.

This chapter tells of Jesus sending his disciples out to minister to "the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ("Lost sheep" is a common Biblical metaphor for people who have "gone astray" in some way. "House of Israel" refers to the descendants of Israel, the Israelites). Specifically, he commanded his disciples to "heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." These were all considered good acts, and according to Christians this exemplifies Jesus's message of peace, love, health, and life.

Starting in verse 13, Jesus then goes on to inform his disciples that they will not always be warmly received. He instructs them to depart from homes and cities that will not receive them. He then adds in verse 15, "Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city." According to Abrahamic tradition, the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah had earlier been destroyed by God. As context for the "I bring a sword" quote, many Christians see this as an indication that God, rather than Christians, will be responsible for any punishment due those who reject Jesus's message.

Jesus then warned his disciples that they would encounter violent resistance on their ministry. In verse 16 he is quoted as saying (RSV), "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves." Here, doves may be invocative of peace, although in the context of first-century Judaic culture it may have had a different meaning. In verse 21 Jesus is quoted as saying (KJV), "And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." This is clearly an apocalyptic prediction, and related to the Septuagint, Micah 7:6, but Jesus does not express his views on the matter, other than saying "All men will hate you because of me" in verse 22. He then instructs his followers to flee to a different city when they are persecuted.

He then exhorts his disciples not to fear. He assures them that faithful proclamation of his message will have its rewards.

"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 10:32-33, KJV)
Immediately thereafter Jesus makes the comment in question, verse 34, saying that he came not to bring peace, but the sword, followed by a direct quote of Micah 7:6 in verse 35-36.
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  -This quote from the Qur'an encourages violence Green_Lantern  Sep-10-10 12:27 PM   #0 
  - If he was burning bibles it wouldn't have even been covered at all.  cleveramerican   Sep-10-10 12:30 PM   #1 
  - You're kidding, right?  Warpy   Sep-10-10 12:33 PM   #2 
  - I disagree  cleveramerican   Sep-10-10 12:35 PM   #4 
     - Pretty much  Dorian Gray   Sep-10-10 03:51 PM   #71 
  - Seriously?  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 12:57 PM   #15 
     - I doubt there would be rioting  Abq_Sarah   Sep-10-10 01:24 PM   #24 
     - Not in the Middle East, but maybe here at home....  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 03:47 PM   #67 
     - So where would there be riots in the streets and people being killed  bighart   Sep-10-10 01:33 PM   #30 
        - Where did I say that there would be?  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 03:48 PM   #68 
           - Seems to me you did,  bighart   Sep-10-10 08:01 PM   #79 
              - Well, I guess that much like the bible/koran/etc., its open to interpretation  cleanhippie   Sep-11-10 12:42 PM   #85 
  - Qu'ran? If I remember my Bible quotes that is from the mouth of Jesus.  jwirr   Sep-10-10 12:34 PM   #3 
  - I my comment..  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 12:37 PM   #6 
  - I've found that it helps to read the whole post,  Bill McBlueState   Sep-10-10 12:37 PM   #7 
  - Chapter and verse,please.  jdlh8894   Sep-10-10 12:41 PM   #9 
  - Just curious, where did Paul say the hair cover thing?  K8-EEE   Sep-10-10 12:37 PM   #5 
  - The Sorry State Of Bible Education In the US  jberryhill   Sep-10-10 12:41 PM   #8 
  - Or will she burn in hell?  texastoast   Sep-10-10 12:44 PM   #10 
  - I don't think he demanded it with fear of punishment..  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 12:59 PM   #16 
  - It says during prayer, but here's the catch....  jberryhill   Sep-10-10 01:26 PM   #26 
  - ...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 02:03 PM   #41 
  - Greek women  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-12-10 04:10 PM   #95 
     - I doubt they wore them in the temples of Corinth...  Green_Lantern   Sep-13-10 02:34 PM   #101 
        - Are you calling upper class Greek women Prostitutes??  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-13-10 05:47 PM   #103 
           - no...wasn't calling Greek women prostitutes lol...  Green_Lantern   Sep-14-10 11:25 AM   #112 
  - I can't stand Paul.  Blue_In_AK   Sep-10-10 01:28 PM   #27 
     - Well, Consider What Paul's Original Job Was.....  jberryhill   Sep-10-10 01:34 PM   #32 
     - Indeed.  Blue_In_AK   Sep-10-10 01:44 PM   #35 
     - I don't think he perverted Christ's message at all...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 02:13 PM   #42 
     - Paul completely perverted the message of Jesus.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 02:59 PM   #54 
        - give me an example of Paul contradicting Jesus  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 03:04 PM   #56 
           - No.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 03:14 PM   #61 
              - still no answer...if it was that obvious you would've given me an  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 03:18 PM   #62 
              - My answer is: go read what Jesus and Paul said and see for yourself.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 03:25 PM   #64 
                 - thanks oh wise one...yes you're the only person to tell a Catholic  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 03:33 PM   #65 
              - Paul said he personally met Jesus.  trotsky   Sep-10-10 08:34 PM   #80 
                 - Oh yeah? Where?  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-11-10 11:51 AM   #82 
                    - What?  trotsky   Sep-12-10 10:19 AM   #87 
                       - Baloney  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-12-10 02:28 PM   #92 
                          - I am constantly amused at how desperately Christians try...  trotsky   Sep-12-10 03:38 PM   #93 
                          - Straw man  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-12-10 04:06 PM   #94 
                             - That's exactly what you're trying to do.  trotsky   Sep-12-10 04:33 PM   #96 
                                - "Meet" denotes Interaction  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-12-10 05:31 PM   #97 
                                   - So you can't dispute the definition.  trotsky   Sep-12-10 06:31 PM   #99 
                                      - Your reading comprehension skills are non-existent  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-13-10 07:16 AM   #100 
                                         - You may attack me all you want, but it doesn't change anything.  trotsky   Sep-13-10 08:26 PM   #106 
                                            - What a very strange definition of Fail you have  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-14-10 01:00 PM   #115 
                                            - You're getting more and more unstable here but maybe you can answer this one question:  trotsky   Sep-14-10 01:28 PM   #118 
                                            - Unstable?!  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-14-10 03:41 PM   #123 
                                            - Yes, unstable.  trotsky   Sep-14-10 07:24 PM   #127 
                                            - You are not living in reality  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-14-10 07:40 PM   #128 
                                            - Not in your "reality," that's for sure.  trotsky   Sep-15-10 06:27 AM   #129 
                          - no, Paul said he saw the resurrected Christ in 1 Cor. 15....  Green_Lantern   Sep-13-10 02:46 PM   #102 
                             - Huh?  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-13-10 05:55 PM   #104 
                                - Christians themselves believe Paul met Jesus.  trotsky   Sep-13-10 08:39 PM   #108 
                                - Oh, fine; as long as seemingly infallible Christians believe it  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-13-10 10:00 PM   #109 
                                   - Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize you yourself were one of those infallible Christians.  trotsky   Sep-14-10 06:30 AM   #110 
                                   - I'm neither  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-14-10 01:18 PM   #116 
                                      - Ah, but you read the bible perfectly. Obviously.  trotsky   Sep-14-10 01:21 PM   #117 
                                         - Aw, should I just be "taught" by you?  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-14-10 02:38 PM   #120 
                                         - I'm just asking why you are right and everyone else is wrong.  trotsky   Sep-14-10 02:43 PM   #121 
                                         - Yet YOU are right and everyone else is wrong.  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-14-10 03:45 PM   #124 
                                         - Never said that.  trotsky   Sep-14-10 07:23 PM   #126 
                                         - Yes, the documentation is awesome  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-15-10 10:41 AM   #130 
                                         - You're the one who pulled a Palin and quit.  trotsky   Sep-15-10 10:57 AM   #131 
                                         - Quit what?  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-15-10 12:14 PM   #132 
                                         - Desperate for what?  trotsky   Sep-15-10 12:39 PM   #133 
                                         - You compare me to Palin, that's an ad hominem  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-15-10 01:19 PM   #134 
                                         - Well thanks, since you interjected yourself in the subthread, it is only fair.  trotsky   Sep-15-10 01:44 PM   #135 
                                   - church infallibility is Biblical...thinking it applies to only one  Green_Lantern   Sep-14-10 11:29 AM   #113 
                                      - Could you expound on that please?  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-14-10 02:13 PM   #119 
                                         - okay I guess what I'm saying is the Church has the power  Green_Lantern   Sep-14-10 02:50 PM   #122 
                                            - Thanks for the response  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-14-10 03:53 PM   #125 
                                            - I don't think the Eastern Orthodox church really has an equivalent  Green_Lantern   Sep-16-10 11:33 AM   #136 
                                - 1 Corinthians 15: 3-8  Green_Lantern   Sep-14-10 11:15 AM   #111 
  - Paul was talking about the terrible hair cutting salons back then.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 01:36 PM   #34 
     - Those fire and brimstone churches are stuck in the OT...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 02:20 PM   #45 
  - 1 Corinthians 11  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 12:46 PM   #11 
     - Oh thanks nt  K8-EEE   Sep-10-10 01:22 PM   #23 
     - Paul WAS a wolf in sheep's clothing which Jesus warned about.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 01:52 PM   #40 
        - that's completely untrue...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 02:29 PM   #46 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-10-10 02:52 PM   #51 
           - Pick up a few books on  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-11-10 11:39 AM   #81 
  - Do you really want to get started on this?  smalll   Sep-10-10 12:46 PM   #12 
  - Ahh, the old "you are not taking it in context" argument.  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 12:59 PM   #17 
  - Obviously expected.  Igel   Sep-12-10 06:10 PM   #98 
  - Where in the NT does it say that Jesus repented for throwing the money changers out of the Temple?  Uncle Joe   Sep-10-10 01:13 PM   #21 
  - Looks like I was wrong -- I can't find him repenting for it!  smalll   Sep-10-10 01:47 PM   #37 
     - That's cool, I never blamed him for not repenting.  Uncle Joe   Sep-10-10 02:20 PM   #44 
  - Why Does Paul Refer To Jephtheh The Gileadite As A Hero In Hebrews?  jberryhill   Sep-10-10 01:33 PM   #29 
  - Well yes, I would rest on the OT/NT distinction.  smalll   Sep-10-10 01:50 PM   #39 
  - OMG have you READ the OT?  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-11-10 12:04 PM   #83 
  - this may come as a surprise to you but maybe Paul proclaimed  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 02:38 PM   #47 
  - Many of the Pauline letters are of questioned authorship  dimbear   Sep-10-10 04:01 PM   #72 
     - Indeed. A number of Biblical books were not written by their "author."  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 04:03 PM   #75 
        - that's why I'm not a Bible literalist or read the Bible without at least..  Green_Lantern   Sep-12-10 10:54 AM   #88 
  - Interesting commentary.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 04:02 PM   #74 
  - Both books were written by humans.  tridim   Sep-10-10 12:47 PM   #13 
  - Aren't ALL books ???  jdlh8894   Sep-10-10 12:55 PM   #14 
  - Common sense would have us think so.  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 01:00 PM   #18 
     - that's not true...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 01:07 PM   #20 
     - He "breathed" it is what my fundy friend says  K8-EEE   Sep-10-10 01:25 PM   #25 
     - I'm betting she doesn't literally believe God breathes like a person..  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 01:35 PM   #33 
        - Oh yes she does!! She's a literalist  K8-EEE   Sep-10-10 01:46 PM   #36 
           - she is probably in the minority but even a Catholic university..  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 02:46 PM   #49 
     - I can't  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 03:50 PM   #70 
     - Saying people should kill other people is not common sense.  tridim   Sep-10-10 01:16 PM   #22 
        - the Bible doesn't say innocent people deserve death...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 02:51 PM   #50 
        - Are you kidding me? The bible is FULL of innocent people being killed.  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 04:24 PM   #78 
           - so does US history...that doesn't mean it's saying innocent people  Green_Lantern   Sep-12-10 11:02 AM   #89 
        - Did I say that?  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 04:23 PM   #77 
  - that doesn't mean they don't contain sacred wisdom...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 01:04 PM   #19 
  - The Quran could not have been written by humans  Azooz   Sep-11-10 07:22 PM   #86 
  - Full quote goes:  mcollins   Sep-10-10 01:29 PM   #28 
  - A perfect definiton of Religion, is it not  Cherchez la Femme   Sep-11-10 12:18 PM   #84 
  - here's how i see it..  naaman fletcher   Sep-10-10 01:34 PM   #31 
  - yeah sure Christians were the only ones to ever have slaves...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 02:55 PM   #53 
     - huh?  naaman fletcher   Sep-10-10 03:02 PM   #55 
        - sorry I thought you were being sarcastic...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 03:07 PM   #58 
           - no prob!  naaman fletcher   Sep-10-10 03:12 PM   #60 
  - Rock-a my soul  libodem   Sep-10-10 01:49 PM   #38 
  - We're all stardust  Turborama   Sep-10-10 03:11 PM   #59 
  - I must point out that that quote is not a teaching but a prophisy  zeemike   Sep-10-10 02:15 PM   #43 
  - Jean Calvin, who's work is surreptitiously the real force behind Evangelicals said...  Taverner   Sep-10-10 02:45 PM   #48 
  - Don't you know that fundies pick and choose what passages  m00nbeam   Sep-10-10 02:54 PM   #52 
  - Christian fundies also pick and choose passages from the koran to make islam look  Fuzz   Sep-10-10 03:06 PM   #57 
  - If there is a god, it knew what its creation was going to be like even before is made anything.  ZombieHorde   Sep-13-10 08:35 PM   #107 
     - I'm in disagreement with that...  Green_Lantern   Sep-14-10 11:39 AM   #114 
  - Yes. They will eat shrimp but whip out Leviticus when desired.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 04:07 PM   #76 
     - I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with Christians....  Green_Lantern   Sep-12-10 11:08 AM   #90 
  - You have represented well the attitude that Paul embraced.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 03:21 PM   #63 
  - I'm not intolerant of anyone....the OP wasn't judging of Muslims...  Green_Lantern   Sep-10-10 03:48 PM   #69 
  - I was never a big bible reader  JonLP24   Sep-10-10 03:39 PM   #66 
  - It means whatever each reader thinks it means.  TexasObserver   Sep-10-10 04:01 PM   #73 
  - I think it was both...  Green_Lantern   Sep-12-10 11:18 AM   #91 
  - In the Book of Kells  frogmarch   Sep-13-10 06:35 PM   #105 

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