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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 02:52 PM
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8. It doesn't come from either.
Morality is not a quantifiable concept, therefore "Factual data" doesn't apply, and empirical evidence is unobtainable.

Which is why your argument about morality is the same as that of he who claims it has to come from God. Just a different wrapper. No single group can lay claim to its origin.
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  - Atheism IS where morality originates cleanhippie  Sep-01-10 01:04 PM   #0 
  - Since I believe that man created god in his own image, I have to agree with this premise.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-01-10 01:06 PM   #1 
  - Arrogance and exclusivity of truth or morality to any one group is still arrogance  stray cat   Sep-01-10 01:09 PM   #2 
  - Even if "truth" is founded in factual data and evidence?  cleanhippie   Sep-01-10 01:20 PM   #4 
  - It doesn't come from either.  sailor65   Sep-01-10 02:52 PM   #8 
     - Now listen. This common sense stuff has got to stop. nt  humblebum   Sep-01-10 03:19 PM   #10 
        - Of course it does, you never approve of common sense.  cleanhippie   Sep-01-10 06:50 PM   #20 
           - Give me a count on that morality stuff and get back to me. nt  humblebum   Sep-01-10 07:08 PM   #21 
              - Huh?  cleanhippie   Sep-02-10 09:27 AM   #33 
                 - That's what I thought. nt  humblebum   Sep-02-10 09:36 AM   #34 
                    - Thought about what? I don't understand what you are asking?  cleanhippie   Sep-02-10 10:06 AM   #35 
  - Any "one group" in mind?  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-01-10 01:40 PM   #7 
     - What a bunch of BS.  humblebum   Sep-01-10 03:15 PM   #9 
     - I didn't say it was practiced - only that it is not an alien concept. It is  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-01-10 04:03 PM   #12 
     - Disagree. There are certain religions who recognize specific groups  humblebum   Sep-01-10 04:18 PM   #14 
        - Did you even read what I wrote?  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-01-10 04:35 PM   #16 
           - Concerning the "do unto others..." part, if others are only those  humblebum   Sep-01-10 05:13 PM   #17 
              - Wrong again...  onager   Sep-01-10 09:51 PM   #25 
                 - I stand corrected, but it certainly does have a religious orientation. nt  humblebum   Sep-01-10 10:15 PM   #26 
     - The "Many cultures" you mention includes pretty much all those  skepticscott   Sep-01-10 04:11 PM   #13 
     - I have witnessed your reasoning skills, so I will take that into consideration here.nt  humblebum   Sep-01-10 04:20 PM   #15 
     - You mean like this?  onager   Sep-01-10 09:45 PM   #24 
     - No one is born an atheist  kwassa   Sep-01-10 10:29 PM   #27 
     - Oh, you think that religion is instinctual?  RaleighNCDUer   Sep-02-10 09:05 AM   #30 
        - Reason isn't instinctual either  Bad Thoughts   Sep-02-10 03:39 PM   #38 
        - A belief in God might well be instinctual  kwassa   Sep-02-10 09:28 PM   #43 
     - You are born agnostic.  westerebus   Sep-02-10 06:08 PM   #39 
  - I'm glad someone said it. I claim that  Curmudgeoness   Sep-01-10 01:13 PM   #3 
  - Fuh.King.A.  Iggo   Sep-02-10 11:07 AM   #36 
  - Good post! Thanks. nt  ladjf   Sep-01-10 01:28 PM   #5 
  - it's actually silly to think that morality isn't somehow hardwired into our dna  unblock   Sep-01-10 01:39 PM   #6 
  - "The fact is that theists have stolen their morals from human nature."  Jim__   Sep-01-10 03:59 PM   #11 
  - Excellent post. Thank you.  felinetta   Sep-01-10 05:53 PM   #18 
  - Your welcome.  cleanhippie   Sep-01-10 06:49 PM   #19 
  - So James is making noise to sell his book, "The Religion Virus"  struggle4progress   Sep-01-10 08:51 PM   #22 
  - If you say so.  cleanhippie   Sep-02-10 09:25 AM   #31 
     - Website named after book. Big buy book! link atop webpages there.  struggle4progress   Sep-02-10 03:32 PM   #37 
        - Isn't that what we all do?  cleanhippie   Sep-03-10 04:55 PM   #45 
  - K&R  DeSwiss   Sep-01-10 09:17 PM   #23 
  - Morality  Axle_techie   Sep-01-10 11:00 PM   #28 
  - "Morality" is transient and solely defined by one's circumstances  Nihil   Sep-02-10 08:51 AM   #29 
  - Was there morality before there was language?  PassingFair   Sep-02-10 06:50 PM   #40 
     - I will check that out  Axle_techie   Sep-02-10 08:28 PM   #42 
        - Mind blowing book.  PassingFair   Sep-03-10 07:52 AM   #44 
  - On the hardware level humans appear to be wired both for and against moral behaviour  GliderGuider   Sep-02-10 09:25 AM   #32 
  - Your post makes me want to plunder and pillage  Orrex   Sep-02-10 08:16 PM   #41 

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