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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:21 PM
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55. What we know so far:
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 01:22 PM by struggle4progress
A version of this story was circulating at least a week before the version in the OP appeared

In the earlier version, the uncle Shiv Kumar of an eight year old girl Marau (under the influence of an unnamed "godman") buried her alive outside of Bangharanpurwa in Gonda in Uttar Pradesh in order to obtain prosperity; the "godman" then absconded; see my post #49 for link. This earlier version differs from the version in the OP, where the parents of an eight year old girl Kanni (under the influence of a "godman" named Shiv Kumar) burned her alive in Daheli or in Dahelikushepa in Sitapur in Uttar Pradesh and buried her body in their house or in their courtyard in order to obtain prosperity; depending on version, the event was discovered because villagers heard Kanni screaming -- or else her mouth was stuffed with rags so nobody could hear her protests and the event was discovered because villagers found some incense; the parents and the godman then all absconded; see my post #9 for links. In the earlier version the horror occurs 150 km from Lucknow, and in the later version 80 km from Lucknow

"Shiv Kumar" is a generic name: see my post #23. The names given for the murdering parents in the version in the OP also appear to be generic

The earlier version quotes "police inspector S.P. Singh" while the later version quotes "police inspector Rajveer Singh." "Singh," like "Kumar," is a generic surname. There are a number of persons S. Singh employed by the Uttar Pradesh police, which is the largest police department in the world; it is impossible to clarify this further since the early version does not give a full name. "Rajveer Singh" is a well-known name in Uttar Pradesh, since this is the name of the son of former three-term chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, the son being current head of the Jan Kranti Party there; I also found a story about a "Rajveer Singh" arrested in Uttar Pradesh for impersonating a government official; the closest I can find to to "Rajveer Singh" among employees of the Uttar Pradesh police is a "Rajendra Singh" in Sitapur; see my posts #25 and #28

None of the names Shri Krishna, Rama Devi, Shiv Kumar given in the later version as absconded persons associated with the horrific murder of a little girl appear on the Uttar Pradesh "Most Wanted" list; see my post #29

It is possible that weather conditions might shed some light on the later version in which a little girl is burned alive near Sitapur, since it is currently monsoon season. The current monsoon season is not as wet as usual, but a fair amount of rain has fallen nevertheless. During the week in which the later version supposedly occurred, Sitapur received 1.5 inch of rain; the following week, on 21 August, Sitapur received something like 1.5 inches in a 24-hour period. Flood-related drownings are common in this season. Burning someone alive in the courtyard might be difficult, if it were pouring rain; clarifying this further would require knowing the exact date on which the event occurred, together with local meteorology. See my posts #19, #24 and #35

Given the regularity of drowning deaths at this time of year, a story like this might originate as a rumor around the discovery of a child's body in a muddy pit, as in the following case in Noida in Noida in Gautam Budh Nagar in Uttar Pradesh:

Two boys drown after falling in pit
Sunday - Aug 15, 2010, 04:41pm (GMT+5.5)
Noida (IANS) - Two boys, aged 13 and nine, died after falling in a pit filled with water in Sector 32 area of Noida, police said Saturday ... said Superintendent of Police (City) H.N. Singh ... http://www.indiavision.com/news/article/national/91060 /















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  - Stories like this make me wish there was a hell..  hlthe2b   Aug-20-10 02:05 PM   #1 
  - There is  Dorian Gray   Aug-20-10 07:17 PM   #11 
  - It's all sick  EC   Aug-20-10 02:05 PM   #2 
  - It doesn't matter if you're Xian, Muslim, Hindu, or animist  Cirque du So-What   Aug-20-10 02:10 PM   #3 
  - Yes, actually, it does.  Donald Ian Rankin   Aug-23-10 02:58 PM   #41 
  - Sick people...  CoffeeCat   Aug-20-10 02:21 PM   #4 
  - Healthy people are motivated by religion  Twillig   Aug-24-10 10:55 PM   #47 
  - It reminds me much of the anthropological  burnsei sensei   Aug-20-10 02:45 PM   #5 
  - Oh fucking hell  phantom power   Aug-20-10 03:42 PM   #6 
  - Well, don't forget  skepticscott   Aug-20-10 04:12 PM   #7 
  - Well, of course not. And we must respect all beliefs...  onager   Aug-20-10 05:28 PM   #8 
     - Whilst I agree with the body of your post (and think it an excellent quote) ...  Nihil   Aug-24-10 09:06 AM   #45 
  - "The parents had stuffed a piece of cloth in the mouth of the little girl so that her cries could  struggle4progress   Aug-20-10 06:16 PM   #9 
  - Let's note several other oddities: "Kanni" simply means "unmarried girl" and "mantra" is a  struggle4progress   Aug-20-10 07:15 PM   #10 
     - Jebus Fucking Koresh  trotsky   Aug-20-10 08:07 PM   #12 
        - I'm fascinated by media issues. This part of India was traditionally an important Sufi region, and  struggle4progress   Aug-20-10 08:38 PM   #13 
        - +1  laconicsax   Aug-21-10 12:14 AM   #15 
           - "Facts first, analysis second." Stories like are often quite unreliable, and they serve  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 12:44 AM   #17 
              - Clearly you're well practiced.  laconicsax   Aug-21-10 01:35 AM   #21 
                 - Well, I think you're calling me out on a now-archived three-year-old thread, but  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 02:00 AM   #22 
                    - Your response there was quite the boast.  laconicsax   Aug-21-10 05:50 PM   #26 
                       - Do let us know if you find any more information on this "five-year-old .. allegedly murdered" story  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 06:50 PM   #27 
                          - What if it doesn't conform to your "take?"  laconicsax   Aug-21-10 08:10 PM   #30 
                             - "Facts first, analysis second"  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 08:12 PM   #31 
                                - Keep that in mind when you post.  laconicsax   Aug-21-10 08:17 PM   #32 
                                   - I suppose I really should thank you for all of the insights you have brought to this thread:  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 09:08 PM   #33 
                                      - You're welcome. n/t  laconicsax   Aug-21-10 09:25 PM   #34 
  - Good God!  Odin2005   Aug-20-10 10:55 PM   #14 
  - Infanticide is a regular though uncommon event: records of infanticides  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 12:18 AM   #16 
  - In short, your contribution to this thread  darkstar3   Aug-21-10 12:56 AM   #18 
     - My view is that the media very often carry sensational and unreliable stories:  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 01:32 AM   #20 
  - Hmm. It's monsoon season. In the last week, Sidapur in Uttar Pradesh has gotten  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 01:05 AM   #19 
  - Flood alert in many districs (Times of India)  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 11:24 AM   #24 
  - Still can't find any updates on the alleged manhunt, but "Shiv Kumar" seems to be a common name:  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 11:21 AM   #23 
  - Hmm. No Shri Krishna, Rama Devi, Shiv Kumar on the Uttar Pradesh "Most Wanted" list  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 07:22 PM   #29 
  - The name of the cited police inspector "Rajveer Singh" is interesting:  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 03:15 PM   #25 
  - Hmm. Couldn't find a police station chief named Rajveer Singh on the Uttar Pradesh police website:  struggle4progress   Aug-21-10 07:08 PM   #28 
  - It's now five days after this alleged event, and the conflicting stories  struggle4progress   Aug-22-10 08:22 PM   #35 
  - Really?  darkstar3   Aug-22-10 08:53 PM   #36 
     - Remind me: which religion exactly was purported to be involved in the story in the OP?  struggle4progress   Aug-22-10 10:19 PM   #37 
     - Does it matter?  darkstar3   Aug-22-10 10:28 PM   #38 
        - If the story is potentially important, then the details of the story are potentially important,  struggle4progress   Aug-23-10 12:17 AM   #39 
           - That doesn't remotely qualify as an answer.  darkstar3   Aug-23-10 12:23 AM   #40 
           - And yet you take parts of Bible seriously.  laconicsax   Aug-24-10 06:39 PM   #46 
              - ...crickets...  LAGC   Aug-25-10 02:56 AM   #50 
              - Some do.  laconicsax   Aug-25-10 01:00 PM   #54 
              - ZING  trotsky   Aug-25-10 06:14 AM   #52 
     - See post #21  laconicsax   Aug-23-10 10:48 PM   #42 
        - See post #22  struggle4progress   Aug-24-10 02:13 AM   #43 
           - Bwah ha ha  trotsky   Aug-24-10 06:46 AM   #44 
              - Dunno. I somehow got in the habit of reflexively checking news stories  struggle4progress   Aug-25-10 12:47 AM   #48 
              - *yawn*  trotsky   Aug-25-10 06:13 AM   #51 
              - By the way, one can often track the evolution of such fables, with enough diligence. In this case,  struggle4progress   Aug-25-10 01:13 AM   #49 
                 - And yet you don't apply the same critical eye to all stories.  trotsky   Aug-25-10 06:15 AM   #53 
  - What we know so far:  struggle4progress   Aug-25-10 01:21 PM   #55 
  - Sad. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-25-10 03:51 PM   #56 
  - Here is an interesting timeline, showing the recent evolution of the story:  struggle4progress   Aug-26-10 04:22 PM   #57 
 

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