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38. That's from the Papyrus of Ani. Not quite the same thing.
Allegedly taken from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, as every stupid, gullible visitor to Egypt knows, who was dumb enough to buy one of these overpriced papyrus artworks.

I still need to get mine framed.

According to some sources, the papyrus was based on wall carvings, but eventually became a piece of art often commissioned by middle-class Egyptians of A Certain Age - i.e., about to have personal knowledge of the afterlife. e.g., the Ani who allegedly commissioned this one was a scribe during the 19th dynasty of the New Kingdom, or the 13th century BCE.

Reproduced below so you can follow along...

1. The newly dead person could skip the whole "weighing" thing. Those folks at the top, holding the ankhs, could vote the Recently Croaked straight into the afterlife.

Those are gods. Some sources say the major Egyptian gods - Isis, Nut, and that gang. An AEP (Actual Egyptian Person) told me they were not Major Gods, but just the individual gods of Egyptian cities.

Some gods are holding their ankhs up. That meant - thumbs up, welcome to the Afterlife! Ankhs not visible = thumbs down, yank out the Dearly Departed's heart and weigh it.

Sometimes there are 12 voting gods, sometimes 14, but always an even number. This ensured frequent tie votes, as shown on the papyrus. Stupid quote the noted theologian Homer Simpson.

2. That charming jackal-headed fellow is Anubis, the Temporary Zombie's personal guide through the antechamber of the Afterlife.

Anubis takes the Ex-Person to a scale. On top of the scale is Ma'at, goddess of justice, light, etc. etc, with a feather coming out of her head. Supervising the whole business is Thoth, the ibis-headed god of writing, government bureaucracy, etc. etc.

3. The heart of the Unliving Person is removed and put on one side of the scale. Anubis borrows a feather from Ma'at and puts it on the other side.

4. If the heart weighs more than the feather, Ammut is standing by. She's the critter with the head of a crocodile, body of a lion, and butt of a hippopotamus. Ammut first eats the heart, then the rest of Dearly Departed.

Uh-oh. Sorry, Recently Gone Tango-Uniform Person - do not pass Go, do not enter Afterlife.

5. If the heart and feather balance, Dearly Departed gets to personally meet the god Horus, the hawk-headed guy. But the best was yet to come! Taking over from Anubis, Horus escorts the D.D. into the presence of that green-skinned dude - Osiris, god of the Afterlife. Accompanied by a couple of other major Egyptian theo-celebrities, the goddesses Isis and Nephthys.

Bonus Irrelevant Trivia - the Old Gods live on! When a modern Egyptian Mom is trying to feed a cranky baby, she will hold the food up to its mouth and say : "Mut-mut-mut..." That's a direct reference to ol' heart-chomping Ammut, according to one of my favorite Actual Egyptian People.

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  -OK Atheist here. Could a Theist define what exactly a 'soul' is? Taverner  Aug-15-10 08:29 PM   #0 
  - You can't define this.  rug   Aug-15-10 08:50 PM   #1 
  - The usual nonsense given to a serious inquiry.  cleanhippie   Aug-17-10 04:46 PM   #15 
     - Here'a a serious suggestion.  rug   Aug-17-10 07:30 PM   #18 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-18-10 11:13 AM   #37 
        - And one for you, too  cleanhippie   Aug-19-10 11:42 AM   #42 
           - Much better than your first choice.  rug   Aug-19-10 04:17 PM   #43 
  - Ask ten people,  rrneck   Aug-15-10 09:18 PM   #2 
  - Here ya go......  DeSwiss   Aug-15-10 10:41 PM   #3 
  - I'd convert to the Holy Church of JB.  Starry Messenger   Aug-17-10 11:48 PM   #22 
  - Agnostic "exact definition".  ironbark   Aug-16-10 02:05 AM   #4 
  - A great marketing ploy. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-17-10 02:46 AM   #5 
  - Without making reference to any particular religious beliefs, I think one can still  struggle4progress   Aug-17-10 05:53 AM   #6 
  - Add to your questions list:  trotsky   Aug-17-10 08:13 AM   #7 
  - Is someone's personality their essence?  GliderGuider   Aug-17-10 09:09 AM   #8 
  - Emotions are different than personality.  trotsky   Aug-17-10 05:48 PM   #16 
     - Who says the soul is supposed to control the kind of person you are?  GliderGuider   Aug-18-10 08:11 AM   #27 
        - Your "essential self" doesn't guide or form your personality?  trotsky   Aug-18-10 08:52 AM   #28 
           - Nope.  GliderGuider   Aug-18-10 09:57 AM   #29 
              - So your "essential self" doesn't change, but it doesn't manifest itself either.  trotsky   Aug-18-10 10:12 AM   #32 
                 - Nondualism isn't solipsism, though they look similar  GliderGuider   Aug-18-10 10:20 AM   #33 
                    - Uh-huh.  trotsky   Aug-18-10 10:22 AM   #34 
                       - "You" too!  GliderGuider   Aug-18-10 10:23 AM   #35 
  - There is a pleasant old hasidic parable on such questions, according to which  struggle4progress   Aug-17-10 11:06 AM   #10 
     - Oh that's just so deep.  trotsky   Aug-17-10 05:51 PM   #17 
        - I think the word I used was "pleasant" rather than "deep"  struggle4progress   Aug-17-10 08:40 PM   #19 
           - Well, I read it twice, and I can safely say I see no answer in your parable  darkstar3   Aug-17-10 09:05 PM   #20 
           - Charming and harmless, yes.  trotsky   Aug-18-10 06:29 AM   #25 
  - A lot of "should" in that post.  Silent3   Aug-17-10 10:35 AM   #9 
     - That struck me as well.  GliderGuider   Aug-17-10 12:07 PM   #11 
     - I suppose you're free to regard such questions as meaningless, if you like. But the evidence  struggle4progress   Aug-17-10 12:12 PM   #12 
        - I didn't read that as a suggestion that they were meaningless  GliderGuider   Aug-17-10 12:19 PM   #13 
        - Not meaningless, but, as GG said, very open to interpretation.  Silent3   Aug-17-10 01:06 PM   #14 
        - That's from the Papyrus of Ani. Not quite the same thing.  onager   Aug-18-10 09:29 PM   #38 
           - Bonus trivia continued........  dimbear   Aug-19-10 04:24 AM   #39 
           - Thanks! A couple more...  onager   Aug-20-10 05:04 PM   #44 
           - "Recently Gone Tango-Uniform Person"  trotsky   Aug-19-10 06:35 AM   #40 
           - The theme is not only known from that one text  struggle4progress   Aug-19-10 08:12 AM   #41 
  - Atheists and theist are in complete agreement,  dimbear   Aug-17-10 09:18 PM   #21 
  - Then that wouldn't be complete agreement. n/t  darkstar3   Aug-17-10 11:49 PM   #23 
  - There was a really fascinating documentary on the Science Channel the other day...  LAGC   Aug-18-10 12:50 AM   #24 
     - It has been postulated for some time now...  trotsky   Aug-18-10 06:32 AM   #26 
     - alll that shows is that "you" are determined by brain activity  dmallind   Aug-18-10 09:59 AM   #30 
     - But that was the weird part.  trotsky   Aug-18-10 10:46 AM   #36 
     - "... our brain reacts a certain way and makes a decision for us a full 6 seconds before we ...  Jim__   Aug-18-10 10:10 AM   #31 

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