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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #79
83. The Greek gods were worshiped, especially Demeter and Dionysus.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 02:17 PM by ZombieHorde
The gods were as real to the greeks as god is real to Christians. eta: Seems like you are using the No True Scotsman Fallacy here.

Many Jews may believe their god is limitless, but the god described in the OT is clearly limited. The god in the OT is not omniscient.
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  -Challenge to theists laconicsax  Aug-07-10 11:42 PM   #0 
  - Beliefs are personal opinions.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Aug-07-10 11:45 PM   #1 
  - If you make a claim in the public forum (eg there is a god) that claim is open to scrutiny  laconicsax   Aug-07-10 11:54 PM   #2 
  - I missed where anyone said otherwise. n/t  Realityhack   Aug-10-10 04:34 PM   #86 
  - Not so, when someone claims they have the "truth" and that we should all believe or be killed  cleanhippie   Aug-11-10 09:27 AM   #99 
  - Sure, they have the right...  Zadoc   Aug-16-10 02:57 AM   #117 
  - Even Genesis called it a collaborative enterprise  Warpy   Aug-07-10 11:54 PM   #3 
  - Using the Bible is circular.  laconicsax   Aug-07-10 11:57 PM   #4 
     - The Elhoistic portion of Genesis, the creation myth before  Warpy   Aug-08-10 12:06 AM   #6 
     - The polytheism is sort of like bookends...  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 12:41 AM   #11 
        - Well, it's a bit different at the end, sort of a  Warpy   Aug-08-10 12:43 AM   #12 
           - It's both.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 12:46 AM   #13 
     - There seems to be a constant "truth" the Bible cannot be  Leontius   Aug-08-10 09:12 AM   #24 
        - Sure.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 06:31 PM   #37 
           - Your answer failed to address my question, try again if you wish.  Leontius   Aug-08-10 07:05 PM   #45 
           - That "worn out example" is all that's needed--circular argument isn't valid.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 07:58 PM   #47 
           - Failed again but do keep trying you may actually hit on  Leontius   Aug-08-10 08:21 PM   #51 
              - Maybe you'd like to explain why you think the Bible is a reliable source.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 09:13 PM   #52 
              - Failed again? How so?  cleanhippie   Aug-10-10 04:23 PM   #85 
           - What is wrong with the classics? nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-08-10 09:32 PM   #53 
           - that is a rather weak argument, but one bandied about as standard atheist  humblebum   Aug-10-10 04:35 PM   #87 
              - You're telling the rest of us you can't see outside the circle in that argument?  darkstar3   Aug-10-10 08:45 PM   #94 
              - And you know for certain what the authors of the Bible  skepticscott   Aug-10-10 09:53 PM   #96 
                 - "...idiotic and intellectually dishonest a characterization of empiricism..."  humblebum   Aug-10-10 10:55 PM   #97 
                    - Buzz! Wrong.  darkstar3   Aug-11-10 12:00 AM   #98 
                    - "The Bible can most certainly be used as part of any research toward or attempt in understanding an"  cleanhippie   Aug-11-10 09:32 AM   #100 
                    - What you said was  skepticscott   Aug-11-10 04:58 PM   #104 
                       - First question.  humblebum   Aug-11-10 05:59 PM   #106 
                          - Another non-answer  skepticscott   Aug-11-10 08:18 PM   #109 
                             - I'm beginning to see that you are just rambling to give people  humblebum   Aug-11-10 11:17 PM   #110 
                                - There's that projection again...n/t  darkstar3   Aug-11-10 11:53 PM   #111 
                                - Something tells me he has a bitter rivalry with a measurement device. n/t  laconicsax   Aug-12-10 12:10 AM   #112 
                                   - Well done. n/t  darkstar3   Aug-12-10 12:43 AM   #113 
                                - Still more non-answers  skepticscott   Aug-12-10 05:33 PM   #115 
  - Why would someone think there is more then One True God?  RandomThoughts   Aug-08-10 12:02 AM   #5 
  - That has to be the most arrogant thing I've read in a while.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 12:35 AM   #10 
  - I understand people have different views.  RandomThoughts   Aug-08-10 01:05 AM   #14 
  - And what is the One True God??  Angry Dragon   Aug-14-10 10:12 PM   #116 
  - He can stick his challenge back up his atheistic ass...  TreasonousBastard   Aug-08-10 12:20 AM   #7 
  - I'll make sure to PM you with links to each and every instance I find...  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 12:31 AM   #8 
  - By definition faith is not making a true or false claim.  RandomThoughts   Aug-08-10 02:24 AM   #17 
     - A couple things.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 03:59 AM   #20 
  - Shall we genuflect and call you "master" as well?  darkstar3   Aug-08-10 12:32 AM   #9 
  - I try not to worry about it either.  RandomThoughts   Aug-08-10 01:29 AM   #15 
     - The challenge is to prove the foundation of an argument.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 02:07 AM   #16 
     - Oh you want proof of what the supernatural is.  RandomThoughts   Aug-08-10 02:31 AM   #18 
        - That's not at all what I said, nor is it what I meant.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 03:39 AM   #19 
           - Ok you might be missing my point.  RandomThoughts   Aug-08-10 04:44 AM   #21 
           - No, I got your point. It just happens to be completely off the mark from what I'm saying.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 03:24 PM   #30 
           - Can you agree that proof is subjective.  RandomThoughts   Aug-08-10 05:01 AM   #22 
           - Only for some things.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 03:29 PM   #31 
           - The persuasion of probability is not and cannot be proof.  ironbark   Aug-08-10 09:14 AM   #25 
              - I never said it was the argument...I said it was an argument.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 03:18 PM   #29 
                 - The or an, the parameters are too limited to be any kind of argument.  ironbark   Aug-08-10 06:55 PM   #43 
                    - Argumentum ad ignorantiam, arugumentum ad populum, circular argument.  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 08:13 PM   #49 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-08-10 10:12 PM   #55 
                          - Ad hominem. n/t  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 11:17 PM   #58 
     - "If God wanted everyone to know exactly what was what, they would."  cleanhippie   Aug-11-10 09:36 AM   #101 
        - That actually follows logically from omnipotence.  laconicsax   Aug-12-10 05:09 PM   #114 
  - The second god would not be god.  rug   Aug-08-10 09:02 AM   #23 
  - For you or for everybody? nt  rrneck   Aug-08-10 11:36 AM   #26 
  - If there is a god it is for everybody.  rug   Aug-08-10 11:41 AM   #27 
     - If your god is for everybody,  rrneck   Aug-08-10 01:58 PM   #28 
        - It's not "my" god and if there is one there are no others to supersede.  rug   Aug-08-10 05:52 PM   #32 
           - Whose god if not yours? nt  rrneck   Aug-08-10 06:09 PM   #34 
              - Ours.  rug   Aug-08-10 06:13 PM   #35 
                 - Then whatever gods  rrneck   Aug-08-10 06:29 PM   #36 
                    - No, whether god does or does not exist does not depend on belief or disbelief.  rug   Aug-08-10 06:34 PM   #39 
                       - Then how'd you get the first one  rrneck   Aug-08-10 06:38 PM   #40 
                          - Belief no more makes a god than disbelief destroys it.  rug   Aug-08-10 06:43 PM   #41 
                             - Revelation of what exactly?  rrneck   Aug-08-10 06:51 PM   #42 
                             - I can't but he does  rug   Aug-08-10 06:55 PM   #44 
                                - Can you not describe your own god?  rrneck   Aug-08-10 07:44 PM   #46 
                                - For one thing, you don't have to accept it.  rug   Aug-08-10 10:46 PM   #57 
                                   - According to you I have to accept it.  rrneck   Aug-08-10 11:25 PM   #59 
                                      - You don't have to accept global warming either.  rug   Aug-08-10 11:35 PM   #60 
                                         - Is god as real as global warming?  rrneck   Aug-08-10 11:57 PM   #63 
                                            - Yes. No.  rug   Aug-08-10 11:59 PM   #64 
                                            - *sigh* It happens all the time.  rrneck   Aug-09-10 12:09 AM   #66 
                                - Interesting article. Thanks for the link.  ironbark   Aug-08-10 08:08 PM   #48 
                                   - Glad you found it interesting.  rug   Aug-08-10 10:35 PM   #56 
                             - "What is disbelief based on?" - Are you serious?  cleanhippie   Aug-11-10 09:41 AM   #102 
                                - Witnessing cognitive dissonance  rrneck   Aug-11-10 11:26 AM   #103 
                                - Deadly serious.  rug   Aug-11-10 05:34 PM   #105 
                                   - Lack of evidence.  cleanhippie   Aug-11-10 06:01 PM   #107 
                                      - What do you use to weigh the evidence?  rug   Aug-11-10 06:06 PM   #108 
  - So monotheism is the only possibility?  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 08:17 PM   #50 
  - There really is no true polytheism. Even Hinduism has Svayam Bhagavan.  rug   Aug-08-10 11:51 PM   #61 
     - So the limits of polytheism must be defined by what has already been imagined?  laconicsax   Aug-09-10 12:09 AM   #65 
        - Convince me.  rug   Aug-09-10 12:18 AM   #67 
           - Why would anybody want to do that  rrneck   Aug-09-10 12:40 AM   #68 
           - Of what? I asked you a question.  laconicsax   Aug-09-10 12:54 AM   #69 
  - Why not? nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-08-10 09:33 PM   #54 
     - A god that is second is, ipso facto, limited.  rug   Aug-08-10 11:52 PM   #62 
        - Why would the second god be limited, why couldn't they be equal?  ZombieHorde   Aug-09-10 03:12 AM   #70 
           - If something is limited it cannot be god.  rug   Aug-09-10 12:02 PM   #74 
              - The Greek and Roman gods were limited and the Old Testament portrays god as limited.  ZombieHorde   Aug-09-10 02:04 PM   #78 
                 - The classical gods were more conceits than divinities.  rug   Aug-09-10 02:16 PM   #79 
                    - The Greek gods were worshiped, especially Demeter and Dionysus.  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-10 02:16 PM   #83 
                    - The OT is as much a description of human nature as it is of God's.  rug   Aug-10-10 07:16 PM   #89 
                       - Creating gods is an aspect of human behavior (nature).  ZombieHorde   Aug-10-10 07:28 PM   #91 
                    - Too bad the Bible doesn't agree.  laconicsax   Aug-10-10 03:55 PM   #84 
                       - Yes that's exactly what that one line means.  rug   Aug-10-10 07:17 PM   #90 
                          - It's exactly what that one line says.  laconicsax   Aug-10-10 08:21 PM   #92 
                             - He was waiting for Sisera  rug   Aug-10-10 08:41 PM   #93 
                                - I accept your apology. n/t  laconicsax   Aug-10-10 08:49 PM   #95 
  - I watched the long version too. Excellent!  frogmarch   Aug-08-10 06:00 PM   #33 
  - Nice. n/t  laconicsax   Aug-08-10 06:32 PM   #38 
  - Why? Scientists can't agree on how the universe was formed  WolverineDG   Aug-09-10 10:13 AM   #71 
     - Try it and see. Maybe you both will learn somenting. nt  rrneck   Aug-09-10 11:08 AM   #72 
     - Again, why? Nothing I say will be accepted anyway nt  WolverineDG   Aug-09-10 11:56 AM   #73 
        - Does acceptance matter?  rrneck   Aug-09-10 12:02 PM   #75 
           - Yes, it does  WolverineDG   Aug-09-10 12:15 PM   #76 
              - Suit yourself. No hard feelings.  rrneck   Aug-09-10 12:20 PM   #77 
     - No one's asking you to prove your beliefs.  laconicsax   Aug-09-10 07:27 PM   #80 
        - Oh please stop being disingenuous  WolverineDG   Aug-09-10 07:37 PM   #81 
           - You couldn't be further from the truth.  laconicsax   Aug-09-10 10:10 PM   #82 
           - The evidence supports your pov. nt  ironbark   Aug-10-10 05:57 PM   #88 

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