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Mon Aug-09-10 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #70 |
| 74. If something is limited it cannot be god. |
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The essence of God is that it is limitless.
Surely this cannot be news to you.
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| -Challenge to theists |
laconicsax |
Aug-07-10 11:42 PM |
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Beliefs are personal opinions. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Aug-07-10 11:45 PM |
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If you make a claim in the public forum (eg there is a god) that claim is open to scrutiny |
laconicsax |
Aug-07-10 11:54 PM |
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I missed where anyone said otherwise. n/t |
Realityhack |
Aug-10-10 04:34 PM |
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Not so, when someone claims they have the "truth" and that we should all believe or be killed |
cleanhippie |
Aug-11-10 09:27 AM |
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Sure, they have the right... |
Zadoc |
Aug-16-10 02:57 AM |
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Even Genesis called it a collaborative enterprise |
Warpy |
Aug-07-10 11:54 PM |
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Using the Bible is circular. |
laconicsax |
Aug-07-10 11:57 PM |
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The Elhoistic portion of Genesis, the creation myth before |
Warpy |
Aug-08-10 12:06 AM |
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The polytheism is sort of like bookends... |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 12:41 AM |
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Well, it's a bit different at the end, sort of a |
Warpy |
Aug-08-10 12:43 AM |
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It's both. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 12:46 AM |
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There seems to be a constant "truth" the Bible cannot be |
Leontius |
Aug-08-10 09:12 AM |
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Sure. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 06:31 PM |
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Your answer failed to address my question, try again if you wish. |
Leontius |
Aug-08-10 07:05 PM |
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That "worn out example" is all that's needed--circular argument isn't valid. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 07:58 PM |
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Failed again but do keep trying you may actually hit on |
Leontius |
Aug-08-10 08:21 PM |
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Maybe you'd like to explain why you think the Bible is a reliable source. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 09:13 PM |
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Failed again? How so? |
cleanhippie |
Aug-10-10 04:23 PM |
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What is wrong with the classics? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-08-10 09:32 PM |
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that is a rather weak argument, but one bandied about as standard atheist |
humblebum |
Aug-10-10 04:35 PM |
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You're telling the rest of us you can't see outside the circle in that argument? |
darkstar3 |
Aug-10-10 08:45 PM |
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And you know for certain what the authors of the Bible |
skepticscott |
Aug-10-10 09:53 PM |
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"...idiotic and intellectually dishonest a characterization of empiricism..." |
humblebum |
Aug-10-10 10:55 PM |
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Buzz! Wrong. |
darkstar3 |
Aug-11-10 12:00 AM |
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"The Bible can most certainly be used as part of any research toward or attempt in understanding an" |
cleanhippie |
Aug-11-10 09:32 AM |
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What you said was |
skepticscott |
Aug-11-10 04:58 PM |
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First question. |
humblebum |
Aug-11-10 05:59 PM |
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Another non-answer |
skepticscott |
Aug-11-10 08:18 PM |
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I'm beginning to see that you are just rambling to give people |
humblebum |
Aug-11-10 11:17 PM |
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There's that projection again...n/t |
darkstar3 |
Aug-11-10 11:53 PM |
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Something tells me he has a bitter rivalry with a measurement device. n/t |
laconicsax |
Aug-12-10 12:10 AM |
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Well done. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Aug-12-10 12:43 AM |
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Still more non-answers |
skepticscott |
Aug-12-10 05:33 PM |
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Why would someone think there is more then One True God? |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-08-10 12:02 AM |
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That has to be the most arrogant thing I've read in a while. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 12:35 AM |
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I understand people have different views. |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-08-10 01:05 AM |
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And what is the One True God?? |
Angry Dragon |
Aug-14-10 10:12 PM |
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He can stick his challenge back up his atheistic ass... |
TreasonousBastard |
Aug-08-10 12:20 AM |
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I'll make sure to PM you with links to each and every instance I find... |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 12:31 AM |
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By definition faith is not making a true or false claim. |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-08-10 02:24 AM |
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A couple things. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 03:59 AM |
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Shall we genuflect and call you "master" as well? |
darkstar3 |
Aug-08-10 12:32 AM |
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I try not to worry about it either. |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-08-10 01:29 AM |
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The challenge is to prove the foundation of an argument. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 02:07 AM |
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Oh you want proof of what the supernatural is. |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-08-10 02:31 AM |
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That's not at all what I said, nor is it what I meant. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 03:39 AM |
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Ok you might be missing my point. |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-08-10 04:44 AM |
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No, I got your point. It just happens to be completely off the mark from what I'm saying. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 03:24 PM |
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Can you agree that proof is subjective. |
RandomThoughts |
Aug-08-10 05:01 AM |
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Only for some things. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 03:29 PM |
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The persuasion of probability is not and cannot be proof. |
ironbark |
Aug-08-10 09:14 AM |
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I never said it was the argument...I said it was an argument. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 03:18 PM |
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“The” or “an”, the parameters are too limited to be any kind of “argument”. |
ironbark |
Aug-08-10 06:55 PM |
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Argumentum ad ignorantiam, arugumentum ad populum, circular argument. |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 08:13 PM |
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Aug-08-10 10:12 PM |
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Ad hominem. n/t |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 11:17 PM |
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"If God wanted everyone to know exactly what was what, they would." |
cleanhippie |
Aug-11-10 09:36 AM |
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That actually follows logically from omnipotence. |
laconicsax |
Aug-12-10 05:09 PM |
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The second god would not be god. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 09:02 AM |
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For you or for everybody? nt |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 11:36 AM |
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If there is a god it is for everybody. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 11:41 AM |
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If your god is for everybody, |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 01:58 PM |
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It's not "my" god and if there is one there are no others to supersede. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 05:52 PM |
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Whose god if not yours? nt |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 06:09 PM |
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Ours. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 06:13 PM |
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Then whatever gods |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 06:29 PM |
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No, whether god does or does not exist does not depend on belief or disbelief. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 06:34 PM |
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Then how'd you get the first one |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 06:38 PM |
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Belief no more makes a god than disbelief destroys it. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 06:43 PM |
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Revelation of what exactly? |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 06:51 PM |
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I can't but he does |
rug |
Aug-08-10 06:55 PM |
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Can you not describe your own god? |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 07:44 PM |
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For one thing, you don't have to accept it. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 10:46 PM |
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According to you I have to accept it. |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 11:25 PM |
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You don't have to accept global warming either. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 11:35 PM |
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Is god as real as global warming? |
rrneck |
Aug-08-10 11:57 PM |
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Yes. No. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 11:59 PM |
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*sigh* It happens all the time. |
rrneck |
Aug-09-10 12:09 AM |
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Interesting article. Thanks for the link. |
ironbark |
Aug-08-10 08:08 PM |
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Glad you found it interesting. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 10:35 PM |
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"What is disbelief based on?" - Are you serious? |
cleanhippie |
Aug-11-10 09:41 AM |
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Witnessing cognitive dissonance |
rrneck |
Aug-11-10 11:26 AM |
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Deadly serious. |
rug |
Aug-11-10 05:34 PM |
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Lack of evidence. |
cleanhippie |
Aug-11-10 06:01 PM |
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What do you use to weigh the evidence? |
rug |
Aug-11-10 06:06 PM |
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So monotheism is the only possibility? |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 08:17 PM |
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There really is no true polytheism. Even Hinduism has Svayam Bhagavan. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 11:51 PM |
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So the limits of polytheism must be defined by what has already been imagined? |
laconicsax |
Aug-09-10 12:09 AM |
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Convince me. |
rug |
Aug-09-10 12:18 AM |
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Why would anybody want to do that |
rrneck |
Aug-09-10 12:40 AM |
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Of what? I asked you a question. |
laconicsax |
Aug-09-10 12:54 AM |
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Why not? nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-08-10 09:33 PM |
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A god that is second is, ipso facto, limited. |
rug |
Aug-08-10 11:52 PM |
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Why would the second god be limited, why couldn't they be equal? |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-09-10 03:12 AM |
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If something is limited it cannot be god. |
rug |
Aug-09-10 12:02 PM |
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The Greek and Roman gods were limited and the Old Testament portrays god as limited. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-09-10 02:04 PM |
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The classical gods were more conceits than divinities. |
rug |
Aug-09-10 02:16 PM |
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The Greek gods were worshiped, especially Demeter and Dionysus. |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-10 02:16 PM |
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The OT is as much a description of human nature as it is of God's. |
rug |
Aug-10-10 07:16 PM |
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Creating gods is an aspect of human behavior (nature). |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-10-10 07:28 PM |
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Too bad the Bible doesn't agree. |
laconicsax |
Aug-10-10 03:55 PM |
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Yes that's exactly what that one line means. |
rug |
Aug-10-10 07:17 PM |
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It's exactly what that one line says. |
laconicsax |
Aug-10-10 08:21 PM |
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He was waiting for Sisera |
rug |
Aug-10-10 08:41 PM |
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I accept your apology. n/t |
laconicsax |
Aug-10-10 08:49 PM |
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I watched the long version too. Excellent! |
frogmarch |
Aug-08-10 06:00 PM |
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Nice. n/t |
laconicsax |
Aug-08-10 06:32 PM |
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Why? Scientists can't agree on how the universe was formed |
WolverineDG |
Aug-09-10 10:13 AM |
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Try it and see. Maybe you both will learn somenting. nt |
rrneck |
Aug-09-10 11:08 AM |
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Again, why? Nothing I say will be accepted anyway nt |
WolverineDG |
Aug-09-10 11:56 AM |
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Does acceptance matter? |
rrneck |
Aug-09-10 12:02 PM |
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Yes, it does |
WolverineDG |
Aug-09-10 12:15 PM |
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Suit yourself. No hard feelings. |
rrneck |
Aug-09-10 12:20 PM |
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No one's asking you to prove your beliefs. |
laconicsax |
Aug-09-10 07:27 PM |
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Oh please stop being disingenuous |
WolverineDG |
Aug-09-10 07:37 PM |
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You couldn't be further from the truth. |
laconicsax |
Aug-09-10 10:10 PM |
#82 |
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The evidence supports your pov. nt |
ironbark |
Aug-10-10 05:57 PM |
#88 |
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