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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #52
61. Enough.
Jesus. Just because somebody else commented on this subthread, you think there is some side discussion? Get over yourself. I just didn't care enough about this subthread to reply.

Paranoid much?
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  -Genesis Question for Religious Moderates LAGC  Jul-19-10 12:38 AM   #0 
  - It didn't really suck after Peter Gabriel left... as far as bubble-gum pop goes. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-19-10 12:40 AM   #1 
  - 'Trick of the Tail' is not bubblegum pop  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-19-10 03:01 PM   #19 
     - I stand corrected. Insert "and Hackett" in previous post. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-19-10 03:14 PM   #20 
  - You're not trying to think too literally?  Critters2   Jul-19-10 12:44 AM   #2 
  - Well .. it's a problem for literalists ...  Trajan   Jul-19-10 04:55 AM   #8 
  - What would the non-literal meaning of that passage be? nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-19-10 04:53 PM   #23 
  - Yes nt  JerseygirlCT   Jul-21-10 11:19 AM   #65 
  - Sun light by day.......artificial light by night. Stars...also....means just that. not before or af  opihimoimoi   Jul-19-10 12:45 AM   #3 
  - IMO, you're asking the wrong question about that verse.  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 12:48 AM   #4 
  - Or that it doesn't always do so  Warpy   Jul-19-10 05:28 AM   #9 
  - The whole Bible is earth-centric. (I can't believe I just typed that sentence.)  metapunditedgy   Jul-19-10 12:49 AM   #5 
  - Genesis is a creation myth...  Ozymanithrax   Jul-19-10 01:29 AM   #6 
  - The moderate or liberal reading is that we don't take the Bible literally, or try to square it  pnwmom   Jul-19-10 03:18 AM   #7 
  - But clearly you take some of it literally  Goblinmonger   Jul-19-10 10:49 AM   #14 
     - No, we don't take any particulars literally, other than that there was a man named Jesus  pnwmom   Jul-19-10 01:25 PM   #18 
     - Since there was no "proof" that Pontius Pilate existed until 1961  WolverineDG   Jul-19-10 05:52 PM   #25 
     - philo and josephus wrote of pilate without reference to the markan parable  tiny elvis   Jul-20-10 12:49 AM   #40 
     - and they picked & chose what to write about  WolverineDG   Jul-20-10 06:46 AM   #41 
        - you wrote something which was not true via omission or picking and choosing  tiny elvis   Jul-20-10 10:56 AM   #48 
           - oooh, I see the dog pile orders have gone out! nt  WolverineDG   Jul-20-10 02:04 PM   #52 
              - this place can resemble a game of dogpile  tiny elvis   Jul-20-10 02:38 PM   #53 
              - Enough.  Goblinmonger   Jul-21-10 10:09 AM   #61 
     - A nobody capenter who could feed five thousand from a couple fish  dmallind   Jul-21-10 11:12 AM   #63 
     - not exaxtly true  left is right   Jul-26-10 08:59 PM   #177 
        - Not this shit again...  darkstar3   Jul-26-10 09:23 PM   #178 
  - Maybe it is a rhapsody on the illuminating power of Word  struggle4progress   Jul-19-10 06:05 AM   #10 
  - And maybe it's "sadistic crap legitimized by florid prose."  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 08:57 AM   #11 
  - You'll have to work hard to discover any sadistic elements in Genesis 1, which  struggle4progress   Jul-19-10 04:47 PM   #22 
  - Funny, I thought it was about Genesis as a whole.  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 07:54 PM   #29 
  - Such Is the Nature Of Words...  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 01:57 AM   #91 
     - Words are too oft but vague shadows of meanings  ironbark   Jul-22-10 02:29 AM   #93 
     - Are Only Thus!?  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 02:35 AM   #94 
        - There is a man called Jiddu Krishnamurti.  ironbark   Jul-22-10 03:38 AM   #96 
           - This is Correct  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 03:59 AM   #97 
     - Empty twaddle.  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 09:52 AM   #103 
        - Communication Is Crucial  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 11:22 AM   #114 
           - Your paragraph doesn't support your topic sentence. D+  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 11:46 AM   #120 
              - Do We Really Want To Discover Truth  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 12:17 PM   #134 
                 - False dichotomy. n/t  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 01:09 PM   #144 
                    - False dichotomy?  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 01:28 PM   #148 
  - I like that. nt  JerseygirlCT   Jul-21-10 11:21 AM   #66 
  - Believe or not Christians do not have all the answers as the Bible clearly states.  humblebum   Jul-19-10 10:24 AM   #12 
  - There's that straw man again.  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 10:42 AM   #13 
     - Have you ever noticed that any answer that makes an atheist or skeptic uncomfortable  WolverineDG   Jul-19-10 05:58 PM   #26 
        - Have you ever noticed how often straw men are used in the defense of faith?  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 07:42 PM   #28 
        - yadda yadda yadda  WolverineDG   Jul-19-10 09:22 PM   #34 
           - They WERE wrong.  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 09:33 PM   #37 
              - And so are you  WolverineDG   Jul-20-10 07:01 AM   #43 
                 - That's not what I'm expecting at all, but I do expect that those I debate with be able to read  darkstar3   Jul-20-10 08:17 AM   #45 
        - By 600AD there was more light on the "lesser light." ;-)  ironbark   Jul-22-10 02:39 AM   #95 
  - Genesis = Why, Evolution = How  WolverineDG   Jul-19-10 12:38 PM   #15 
  - Don't complicate matters with common sense. nt  humblebum   Jul-19-10 12:45 PM   #16 
  - So Adam being created out of dust, and Eve being created later out of his rib,  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 01:03 PM   #17 
     - Yes, they are metaphors, and you're perfectly free to reject them. n/t  pnwmom   Jul-19-10 03:42 PM   #21 
     - For further illustration of why I reject them, see #30. n/t  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 08:07 PM   #31 
     - Metaphors for what?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-28-10 05:01 PM   #180 
     - Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that pre-literate nomadic Middle Eastern tribes  WolverineDG   Jul-19-10 05:48 PM   #24 
        - Evolution didn't started with Darwin, the theory did but not the process.  Lost-in-FL   Jul-19-10 06:33 PM   #27 
        - And how were the ancients in the Middle East supposed to know what Darwin thought?  WolverineDG   Jul-19-10 09:17 PM   #33 
           - They simply didn't...  Lost-in-FL   Jul-19-10 10:04 PM   #39 
              - "Stolen"  WolverineDG   Jul-20-10 07:04 AM   #44 
                 - The word "maybe" mean anything to you? nt  Lost-in-FL   Jul-20-10 01:18 PM   #49 
                    - If you didn't mean "stolen," why use it in the first place? nt  WolverineDG   Jul-20-10 02:03 PM   #51 
                       - It was not a total negation but that there is a possibility of it happening.  Lost-in-FL   Jul-20-10 04:00 PM   #55 
        - And yet that was your argument.  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 08:07 PM   #30 
        - No, sorry, that's not my argument  WolverineDG   Jul-19-10 09:17 PM   #32 
        - And where exactly was the foot-stomping hissy-fit?  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 09:26 PM   #35 
           - There you go again, expecting pre-literate nomadic shepherds  WolverineDG   Jul-20-10 07:00 AM   #42 
              - In short, I shouldn't bother you with facts. OK.  darkstar3   Jul-20-10 08:24 AM   #46 
              - You're the one who can't be bothered with the facts  WolverineDG   Jul-20-10 02:02 PM   #50 
                 - Sure...read #45, if you can. n/t  darkstar3   Jul-20-10 02:43 PM   #54 
              - You argue well, I'll give you that  EvolveOrConvolve   Jul-20-10 05:51 PM   #56 
                 - Could you explain why you dismiss the use of Genesis  Leontius   Jul-20-10 06:32 PM   #57 
                    - No, I don't think many myths have much value or historicity  EvolveOrConvolve   Jul-20-10 09:18 PM   #59 
                       - There is as much hard evidence to say that the Genesis story is true (none)  humblebum   Jul-21-10 08:38 AM   #60 
                       - And yet it is an obvious myth, so those claiming any truth to it would possess the burden of proof.  darkstar3   Jul-21-10 11:04 AM   #62 
                       - I won't comment much, as darkstar has done an excellent job of responding to you, but  EvolveOrConvolve   Jul-21-10 07:07 PM   #78 
                       - You say that the creation of Eve from Adam's rib bone  humblebum   Jul-21-10 01:56 PM   #67 
                       - You're just full of fail lately, aren't you?  darkstar3   Jul-21-10 02:41 PM   #68 
                       - I think we have a misunderstanding of historicity of myth as I was  Leontius   Jul-21-10 02:48 PM   #69 
                       - This inevitably raises the question of "what, specifically in Genesis, do you think is historical?"  darkstar3   Jul-21-10 03:21 PM   #71 
                       - There's a large difference between the Iliad and the Bible  EvolveOrConvolve   Jul-21-10 07:00 PM   #77 
                          - In one sense there is not much difference between the Iliad  Leontius   Jul-24-10 06:52 PM   #175 
                       - I dont have to be a theist or a Christian to see great value in the story  ironbark   Jul-23-10 07:55 AM   #163 
        - Your reasoning is circular. Because you reject the idea of God, you reject the idea  pnwmom   Jul-19-10 09:31 PM   #36 
        - Absurd.  darkstar3   Jul-19-10 09:38 PM   #38 
        - Genesis is a metaphor for self awareness.  immoderate   Jul-20-10 10:21 AM   #47 
           - Ok....I didn't notice your post beat my #163 to the theme....  ironbark   Jul-23-10 08:02 AM   #164 
        - Of course they did  Leontius   Jul-24-10 07:09 PM   #176 
  - The moderate/liberal view is that it's a pre-scientific legend, so we don't  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-20-10 08:59 PM   #58 
  - Allegory  JerseygirlCT   Jul-21-10 11:19 AM   #64 
  - So how much of the Jesus parts are story/allegory?  trotsky   Jul-21-10 03:08 PM   #70 
     - Have you ever gotten a satisfactory answer to that question? n/t  darkstar3   Jul-21-10 03:31 PM   #72 
     - Never.  trotsky   Jul-21-10 07:38 PM   #79 
     - You seem to know all of these answers so tell us. The fact is  humblebum   Jul-21-10 03:44 PM   #73 
     - Your problem is that you think your answers are definitive, original, or otherwise worthy. n/t  darkstar3   Jul-21-10 03:47 PM   #74 
     - Well, since Jesus taught in parables,  JerseygirlCT   Jul-21-10 04:18 PM   #75 
        - Your post, while still a non-answer reply, would have been just fine if not for that last sentence.  darkstar3   Jul-21-10 05:13 PM   #76 
        - Interesting...  JerseygirlCT   Jul-21-10 07:45 PM   #81 
           - Some Crucial Questions  ThorOfMidland   Jul-21-10 11:37 PM   #87 
           - That's another strawman, by the way.  trotsky   Jul-22-10 06:31 AM   #99 
           - So  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 11:47 AM   #121 
              - I give up. I can't keep up with your strawmen.  trotsky   Jul-22-10 11:55 AM   #124 
                 - What strawman would that be?  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 11:58 AM   #127 
                    - All the ones I have specifically pointed out in various posts in this thread.  trotsky   Jul-22-10 12:13 PM   #132 
                       - I think the difficulty is that  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 12:31 PM   #137 
                          - No, that's another strawman.  trotsky   Jul-22-10 01:13 PM   #146 
           - Belated...  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 02:26 PM   #151 
           - The "real sense of annoyance and superiority" is also extended towards non believers  ironbark   Jul-23-10 08:27 AM   #165 
        - First, what darkstar3 said.  trotsky   Jul-21-10 07:40 PM   #80 
        - Why should we?  JerseygirlCT   Jul-21-10 07:47 PM   #82 
           - Please put away the strawman.  trotsky   Jul-21-10 08:29 PM   #83 
              - Of course we do  JerseygirlCT   Jul-21-10 08:46 PM   #84 
                 - Individual Interpretation  ThorOfMidland   Jul-21-10 10:49 PM   #85 
                 - Well, actually, I disagree a bit here  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 11:10 AM   #110 
                    - This Assumes There Is Truth In Books  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 11:49 AM   #122 
                       - You're actually going to claim there is no truth in books? n/t  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 11:55 AM   #123 
                       - That is What Most of Us Do, Right?  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 12:11 PM   #131 
                          - So yes, you're claiming there is no truth in books.  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 01:11 PM   #145 
                             - Further Than This...  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 01:34 PM   #149 
                                - You're still down on communication, and yet you can't stop yourself from posting.  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 01:38 PM   #150 
                                   - We Really Just Want To Fight, Dont We?  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 05:57 PM   #158 
                                      - Perhaps you should be reintroduced to the pronoun "I".  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 06:04 PM   #159 
                                         - I Will Take It Under Advisement ;)  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 06:09 PM   #160 
                       - Do lessons from other show us how that happens?  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 12:02 PM   #129 
                          - What Can Someone Else Do For Us?  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 12:26 PM   #136 
                             - I don't think so  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 12:34 PM   #138 
                                - Intellect  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 01:05 PM   #143 
                 - If understanding of the divine is so individual, its rendered meaningless...  Cleobulus   Jul-21-10 11:17 PM   #86 
                 - Yes, Rather Crudely  ThorOfMidland   Jul-21-10 11:48 PM   #88 
                 - That makes absolutely no sense...  Cleobulus   Jul-22-10 01:54 AM   #90 
                    - When the Mind Plans, Thinks of the Future...  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 02:08 AM   #92 
                    - This makes absolutely no sense.  humblebum   Jul-22-10 08:45 AM   #100 
                       - Uhm, if you are talking about imaginary time...  Cleobulus   Jul-23-10 07:09 PM   #170 
                          - Any theory or idea of time that you put forth is nothing more than subjective.  humblebum   Jul-23-10 08:33 PM   #171 
                             - Uhm, no, indeed, considering the evidence and math involved, its objective...  Cleobulus   Jul-24-10 01:18 AM   #172 
                                - If it were indeed objective, as you say, then it would no longer be theory.  humblebum   Jul-24-10 12:50 PM   #173 
                 - If you think of faith as simply a set of rules for governing behavior  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 11:07 AM   #109 
                    - Faith, What Is It?  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 12:43 PM   #140 
                 - But the actions are coming from belief.  trotsky   Jul-22-10 06:25 AM   #98 
                    - Yes, actions come from beliefs  Meshuga   Jul-22-10 09:13 AM   #101 
                    - You are, of course, correct  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 09:30 AM   #102 
                    - The questions are valid...  Meshuga   Jul-22-10 10:06 AM   #105 
                    - An enlightened view,  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 10:33 AM   #107 
                       - I am not denying that a vast number of believers think they have the "ultimate truth"  Meshuga   Jul-22-10 12:02 PM   #128 
                          - I wouldn't deny that either - at all.  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 12:21 PM   #135 
                    - Do you think anyone here was making such a claim? nt  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 11:18 AM   #113 
                    - No, that's not quite it, either.  trotsky   Jul-22-10 10:24 AM   #106 
                       - Here is my take  Meshuga   Jul-22-10 11:39 AM   #118 
                          - Thanks, Meshuga  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 11:56 AM   #125 
                          - I'm afraid you and Jerserygirl still aren't getting it.  trotsky   Jul-22-10 12:17 PM   #133 
                          - I'd say true and inerrant are different things  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 12:41 PM   #139 
                          - "And those are the things that are not provable. For me, they just are."  trotsky   Jul-22-10 01:14 PM   #147 
                             - Yup  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 02:58 PM   #154 
                                - "...would you want to start down that road?"  trotsky   Jul-22-10 03:12 PM   #155 
                          - Sure, perhaps some liberal Christians "pick and choose" or...  Meshuga   Jul-22-10 02:45 PM   #152 
                             - Look carefully at what you just posted.  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 02:48 PM   #153 
                                - I think I made distinctions  Meshuga   Jul-22-10 04:27 PM   #156 
                                   - There are 2 reasons what you said is important, even if you didn't bring it up to start with.  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 04:36 PM   #157 
                                   - ...  Meshuga   Jul-22-10 08:29 PM   #161 
                                      - The usefulness of connecting the dots is educational.  darkstar3   Jul-23-10 01:42 PM   #169 
                                         - ...  Meshuga   Jul-28-10 08:29 AM   #179 
                                   - "If a liberal Christian happens to believe in a passage and not in another passage, so what?"  trotsky   Jul-23-10 06:27 AM   #162 
                                      - consequential beliefs vs. selecting passages to extract religion  Meshuga   Jul-23-10 11:46 AM   #167 
                                         - ...  trotsky   Jul-23-10 12:32 PM   #168 
                          - Your reference to one uses the bible as the authoritative source  ironbark   Jul-23-10 09:17 AM   #166 
                    - No, I think you've never met a believer who  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 11:16 AM   #112 
                       - Strawmen, strawmen.  trotsky   Jul-22-10 11:57 AM   #126 
        - Does God Require Faith or Belief?  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 12:26 AM   #89 
           - This begs the simple question "define God,"  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 09:57 AM   #104 
           - This Begs The Question  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 11:05 AM   #108 
              - No, you're playing a child's game by coming up with ways to dodge a simple question.  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 11:15 AM   #111 
                 - What We Do When We Debate  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 11:34 AM   #116 
                    - You are rather gifted at rhetorical questions, but your concept of debate is a wholly false premise.  darkstar3   Jul-22-10 11:37 AM   #117 
                       - How Do We Debate the Present?  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 12:05 PM   #130 
           - Religion is absolutely a human construct  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 11:22 AM   #115 
              - Again, Faith That The Moment Exists  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 11:45 AM   #119 
                 - Hmmm... perhaps it's my theater training  JerseygirlCT   Jul-22-10 12:45 PM   #141 
                    - The Fallacy of Proof  ThorOfMidland   Jul-22-10 12:57 PM   #142 
  - The first day according to Genesis  LARED   Jul-24-10 06:34 PM   #174 
 

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