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140. There you go changing the subject back to the OP.
Edward Cullen does too exist! Using basic Internet tools, I can find a list of over 100 people named Edward Cullen. He also has a ton of Twitter profiles.

Are you telling me those aren't real?

Try this on for size: Forks is a real place, and there are lots of people named Edward Cullen. Therefore, Twilight is a true story. It isn't just a horribly written novel with one-dimensional characters and narrated by a Mary-Sue.

Stalin! Stalin! Atheists! Stalin!

Similarly, Jerusalem exists and was under Roman rule 2000 years ago. Therefore, Jesus was a real person and the New Testament is true.

French Revolution!

(Twilight isn't entertaining, no matter how many levels of meaning it may have.)
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  -"There is a clear distinction between religion and fiction." darkstar3  Jul-02-10 08:39 PM   #0 
  - Well, yes there is  Oregone   Jul-02-10 08:45 PM   #1 
  - No.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-02-10 08:45 PM   #2 
  - Exactly!  cleanhippie   Jul-04-10 12:26 PM   #51 
  - You left out the part about motivating the killing non-believers!  TheDebbieDee   Jul-02-10 08:50 PM   #3 
  - Funny,  darkstar3   Jul-02-10 11:23 PM   #20 
  - If someone can get rich convincing people it's true, it's a religion.  baldguy   Jul-02-10 08:53 PM   #4 
  - which definition, "free market" economics  Jackpine Radical   Jul-02-10 09:01 PM   #5 
  - Yep, that's the bottom line, isn't it... we sure see evidence of that over and over. n/t  RKP5637   Jul-02-10 09:04 PM   #7 
  - IMO religion is often based on real people and events whereas fiction is not.  RKP5637   Jul-02-10 09:03 PM   #6 
  - So you think there was a historical Jesus?  Goblinmonger   Jul-02-10 09:38 PM   #8 
  - Do you think he was invented?  rug   Jul-02-10 09:47 PM   #9 
  - Yep  Goblinmonger   Jul-02-10 09:55 PM   #11 
  - Why? And by whom?  rug   Jul-02-10 10:00 PM   #12 
  - I replied above  cleanhippie   Jul-04-10 12:29 PM   #54 
     - The Jesus Mysteries offers one possible answer (though we don't know the answer to either question)  BurtWorm   Jul-05-10 06:17 PM   #88 
     - Thanks, I had forgotten about that book.  rug   Jul-05-10 07:00 PM   #92 
     - Interesting. Sounds just a plausible (if not more so) than any other explanation I've heard.  cleanhippie   Jul-05-10 07:45 PM   #95 
     - You know, I'm not sure anymore if Jesus was real or not.........  TheDebbieDee   Jul-06-10 01:27 AM   #130 
  - To Ulysses??  Beartracks   Jul-02-10 10:08 PM   #13 
  - Sure he was.  cleanhippie   Jul-04-10 12:28 PM   #53 
     - So, who invented him, and why?  rug   Jul-04-10 04:55 PM   #61 
        - I have no idea who first came up with that type of character  cleanhippie   Jul-04-10 06:24 PM   #63 
        - Ignorance does not explain a first century invention.  rug   Jul-04-10 06:30 PM   #64 
           - Sure it does.  cleanhippie   Jul-05-10 10:21 AM   #69 
              - Study up on early Christianity.  rug   Jul-05-10 12:41 PM   #70 
                 - The christ-like figure was around long before "christ" was invented.  cleanhippie   Jul-05-10 12:59 PM   #71 
                 - The question is not about a "christ-like" figure in the foggy mists of time.  rug   Jul-05-10 01:12 PM   #72 
                    - As I stated before, i do not know.  cleanhippie   Jul-05-10 01:52 PM   #73 
                       - The why hasn't been answered.  rug   Jul-05-10 02:00 PM   #74 
                          - Well, we can just disagree then.  cleanhippie   Jul-05-10 02:14 PM   #75 
                          - You may not think he's an invention,  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 02:21 PM   #76 
                             - So, you believe in Palestine, in the mid to late first century C.E.,  rug   Jul-05-10 02:51 PM   #78 
                                - First off, it's a hypothesis, not a theory,  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 03:47 PM   #79 
                                   - So the purported lack of historical evidence supports the hypothesis he did not exist.  rug   Jul-05-10 04:06 PM   #80 
                                      - I disagree,  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 04:09 PM   #81 
                                         - Read closely the history of Palestine and Rome between 30 CE and 100 CE.  rug   Jul-05-10 04:15 PM   #83 
                                         - Are you claiming that the books of the Bible ARE  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 04:32 PM   #85 
                                         - Not at all. Don't you think the work of William Shirer is self-evidently non-fiction?  rug   Jul-05-10 05:21 PM   #86 
                                         - I don't think anything can be self-evidently non-fiction.  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 05:41 PM   #87 
                                         - After following (or trying to) your posts, they are anything but clear.  cleanhippie   Jul-05-10 07:43 PM   #94 
                                         - A noble effort  skepticscott   Jul-05-10 08:17 PM   #96 
                                         - That's an intelligent statement.  rug   Jul-05-10 08:56 PM   #102 
                                         - You find asking why you believe Jesus was invented is strange?  rug   Jul-05-10 08:49 PM   #99 
                                         - Then show us the self-evident difference between fiction and Scientology.  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 08:54 PM   #100 
                                         - Fiction does not involve a series of practices and E-meters.  rug   Jul-05-10 08:59 PM   #103 
                                         - Considering those practices are based on fiction, and the E-meters themselves  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 09:03 PM   #104 
                                         - It does if you don't have a two dimensional view of religion.  rug   Jul-05-10 09:06 PM   #105 
                                         - So Dianetics is less fictional than Moby Dick?  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 09:10 PM   #106 
                                         - And I don't buy the bullshit you believe they're the same.  rug   Jul-05-10 09:12 PM   #107 
                                         - You're telling me you actually think that  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 09:13 PM   #108 
                                         - I'm telling you not even you believe they're the same.  rug   Jul-05-10 09:17 PM   #109 
                                         - And now you're guessing,  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 09:21 PM   #110 
                                         - Unless you're obstinately ignorant, it's not a guess.  rug   Jul-05-10 09:22 PM   #111 
                                         - Namecalling and diversion will get you nowhere.  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 09:25 PM   #112 
                                         - I thought it was "us".  rug   Jul-05-10 09:25 PM   #113 
                                         - More diversion.  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 09:26 PM   #114 
                                         - Nice namecalling.  rug   Jul-05-10 09:28 PM   #116 
                                         - What's good for the goose.  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 09:31 PM   #117 
                                         - I don't answer stupid questions, especially insincere stupid questions.  rug   Jul-05-10 09:32 PM   #118 
                                         - Correction:  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 09:35 PM   #119 
                                         - See 114 for rulebreaking  rug   Jul-05-10 09:39 PM   #121 
                                         - Your dismissal, or attempt at such, is noted, but  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 10:09 PM   #123 
                 - #88  BurtWorm   Jul-05-10 06:19 PM   #90 
        - See #88 for a possible answer.  BurtWorm   Jul-05-10 06:19 PM   #89 
  - yes, I think there is a basis for his existence. n/t  RKP5637   Jul-02-10 10:54 PM   #17 
  - I find it unlikely that most religious stories are based on anything factual.  ChadwickHenryWard   Jul-02-10 10:55 PM   #18 
  - Thanks for adding this. I was too brief. I agree with what you've said. Thanks! n/t  RKP5637   Jul-03-10 07:32 AM   #28 
  - Couple of others, stolen for the Buy-bull  onager   Jul-04-10 11:36 AM   #49 
  - I would say  darkstar3   Jul-02-10 11:36 PM   #22 
  - Excellent points! I was speaking mostly of Christianity. Thanks for clarifying! n/t  RKP5637   Jul-03-10 07:30 AM   #27 
  - But that seems to be the problem.  cleanhippie   Jul-04-10 12:27 PM   #52 
  - Explain historical fiction then?  Cleobulus   Jul-05-10 08:42 PM   #97 
  - Then take the most recent major living religion and apply critical thinking/examination.  ironbark   Jul-02-10 09:52 PM   #10 
  - Both require the suspension of disbelief. nt  rrneck   Jul-02-10 10:16 PM   #14 
  - IMO there is science/mathematics and all else is fiction. n/t  jody   Jul-02-10 10:18 PM   #15 
  - I think religion is intended to be believed, while fiction is not.  ChadwickHenryWard   Jul-02-10 10:44 PM   #16 
  - Christianity is clearly history based, i.e. life of one Jesus, but other religions are based on  jody   Jul-02-10 11:14 PM   #19 
  - Clearly?  darkstar3   Jul-02-10 11:29 PM   #21 
  - Understand but it's still history or claimed history as opposed to other religions that are based on  jody   Jul-02-10 11:37 PM   #23 
     - Hmm...  darkstar3   Jul-03-10 12:01 AM   #24 
     - Uhm, quite a few religions, from what I've read of them, are based on some type of events...  Cleobulus   Jul-03-10 01:38 AM   #25 
  - The jury is out on how history- based Christianity actually is.  BurtWorm   Jul-04-10 09:42 AM   #44 
  - In #23 I qualified my earlier statement as history or claimed history. n/t  jody   Jul-04-10 10:23 AM   #46 
  - I think there is still a lot of debate about that.  cleanhippie   Jul-04-10 12:31 PM   #55 
  - agreed!  crumb77   Jul-03-10 02:13 AM   #26 
  - Your beliefs are fiction. Mine are religion.  trotsky   Jul-03-10 07:56 AM   #29 
  - Orthodoxy is my doxy. Heterodoxy is your doxy.  Iggo   Jul-03-10 04:43 PM   #31 
  - Nice trick!  cleanhippie   Jul-04-10 12:33 PM   #56 
  - Well, there is a clear distinction between  skepticscott   Jul-03-10 08:00 AM   #30 
  - Is there?  darkstar3   Jul-04-10 12:45 AM   #40 
     - Well, I guess it depends on how you're using the term "fiction"  skepticscott   Jul-04-10 09:14 AM   #43 
        - A story that is untrue. That is what I mean.  darkstar3   Jul-04-10 02:40 PM   #60 
           - It's not quite that simple  skepticscott   Jul-04-10 09:09 PM   #67 
              - I am, at the moment, unconcerned with the reception of the story,  darkstar3   Jul-04-10 11:14 PM   #68 
                 - Well, you'd be hard pressed to find many fictional  skepticscott   Jul-05-10 04:12 PM   #82 
                    - Elaborate please.  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 04:18 PM   #84 
                       - What I mean is that  skepticscott   Jul-05-10 06:42 PM   #91 
                          - True,  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 07:21 PM   #93 
                             - There you go changing the subject back to the OP.  laconicsax   Jul-07-10 04:32 PM   #140 
                                - (I know, I was looking for something banal that had a following.)  darkstar3   Jul-07-10 05:03 PM   #141 
  - If you mean you can't find a bible of any faith in the Fiction section  RagAss   Jul-03-10 06:14 PM   #32 
  - Clearly you've never visited a bookstore after me.  darkstar3   Jul-04-10 12:46 AM   #41 
     - LOL !!!  RagAss   Jul-04-10 08:50 AM   #42 
  - a religion is, or can be, more than just a mythology  unblock   Jul-03-10 06:42 PM   #33 
  - You raise a very interesting point,  darkstar3   Jul-03-10 09:30 PM   #36 
     - i think you may be mistaking the origin of the traditions  unblock   Jul-03-10 11:45 PM   #37 
        - Contradicting your belief does not constitute a mistake on my part.  darkstar3   Jul-04-10 12:32 AM   #39 
        - my point is that the customs might have predated the explanation  unblock   Jul-04-10 10:48 AM   #48 
           - I don't agree with your belief in how these traditions arose.  darkstar3   Jul-04-10 02:29 PM   #58 
        - Are you sure the thirteen tribes are not a fiction?  BurtWorm   Jul-04-10 09:48 AM   #45 
           - i'm not sure of much of anything that far back, especially when religion can shroud the truth  unblock   Jul-04-10 10:41 AM   #47 
              - I think there may be some truth in your view of how rites come to be.  BurtWorm   Jul-05-10 02:27 PM   #77 
  - The proponent of a fiction does not believe it to be true. N.T.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jul-03-10 08:14 PM   #34 
  - According to the definitions they are almost one in the same  MadMaddie   Jul-03-10 08:15 PM   #35 
  - Religion and fiction are spelled and pronounced completely differently from one another. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-04-10 12:12 AM   #38 
  - This makes the assumption that there IS a clear distinction.  cleanhippie   Jul-04-10 12:25 PM   #50 
  - Fiction, although often influenced by other's stories......  DeSwiss   Jul-04-10 12:35 PM   #57 
  - Clearly you've never read Eragon,  darkstar3   Jul-04-10 02:31 PM   #59 
  - Snap!  laconicsax   Jul-04-10 06:50 PM   #65 
  - Clearly. n/t  DeSwiss   Jul-04-10 08:24 PM   #66 
  - Are you saying that the author is not original  ChadwickHenryWard   Jul-05-10 09:36 PM   #120 
     - I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.  DeSwiss   Jul-05-10 09:55 PM   #122 
     - I got your point.  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 10:11 PM   #125 
     - No problemo.  DeSwiss   Jul-05-10 10:36 PM   #126 
        - You're not missing much. :)  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 10:39 PM   #127 
           - Firefly has the same internal logic as the Star Wars prequels  laconicsax   Jul-07-10 01:51 AM   #136 
              - Everyone's a critic...  darkstar3   Jul-07-10 12:53 PM   #137 
                 - Might as well have it here.  laconicsax   Jul-07-10 02:15 PM   #138 
                    - .  darkstar3   Jul-07-10 04:07 PM   #139 
     - What's to misunderstand?  ChadwickHenryWard   Jul-06-10 10:08 PM   #135 
     - I was saying that the authors were unoriginal. Incredibly so.  darkstar3   Jul-05-10 10:10 PM   #124 
  - Eh, not really...  Cleobulus   Jul-05-10 08:47 PM   #98 
  - It's a great debate question but for my part, I don't  saltpoint   Jul-04-10 05:38 PM   #62 
     - The problem you mention with religions is that they didn't have a single narrator...  Cleobulus   Jul-05-10 08:55 PM   #101 
     - Yes. Not to slam the authors of the gospels for  saltpoint   Jul-05-10 09:28 PM   #115 
     - They're may be varying degrees of realism...  Silent3   Jul-05-10 10:55 PM   #128 
        - We can delineate the fictional character but have  saltpoint   Jul-06-10 12:05 AM   #129 
           - "Putting forth a point of view" has nothing to do with whether...  Silent3   Jul-06-10 06:25 AM   #131 
              - I'd say point of view is inherent in an author's  saltpoint   Jul-06-10 07:48 AM   #132 
                 - Is that just an additional point you wanted to add...  Silent3   Jul-06-10 08:28 AM   #133 
                    - I think we're very close on the question in the original  saltpoint   Jul-06-10 08:31 AM   #134 

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