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Mon Jul-05-10 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #94 |
| 99. You find asking why you believe Jesus was invented is strange? |
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You should consider the implications of your assertion that he was invented.
As I said, the difference between fiction and religion is self-evident, unless you consider the DaVinci Code to be nonfiction.
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| -"There is a clear distinction between religion and fiction." |
darkstar3 |
Jul-02-10 08:39 PM |
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Well, yes there is |
Oregone |
Jul-02-10 08:45 PM |
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No. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jul-02-10 08:45 PM |
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Exactly! |
cleanhippie |
Jul-04-10 12:26 PM |
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You left out the part about motivating the killing non-believers! |
TheDebbieDee |
Jul-02-10 08:50 PM |
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Funny, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-02-10 11:23 PM |
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If someone can get rich convincing people it's true, it's a religion. |
baldguy |
Jul-02-10 08:53 PM |
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...by which definition, "free market" economics |
Jackpine Radical |
Jul-02-10 09:01 PM |
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Yep, that's the bottom line, isn't it... we sure see evidence of that over and over. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Jul-02-10 09:04 PM |
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IMO religion is often based on real people and events whereas fiction is not. |
RKP5637 |
Jul-02-10 09:03 PM |
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So you think there was a historical Jesus? |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-02-10 09:38 PM |
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Do you think he was invented? |
rug |
Jul-02-10 09:47 PM |
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Yep |
Goblinmonger |
Jul-02-10 09:55 PM |
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Why? And by whom? |
rug |
Jul-02-10 10:00 PM |
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I replied above |
cleanhippie |
Jul-04-10 12:29 PM |
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The Jesus Mysteries offers one possible answer (though we don't know the answer to either question) |
BurtWorm |
Jul-05-10 06:17 PM |
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Thanks, I had forgotten about that book. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 07:00 PM |
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Interesting. Sounds just a plausible (if not more so) than any other explanation I've heard. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-05-10 07:45 PM |
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You know, I'm not sure anymore if Jesus was real or not......... |
TheDebbieDee |
Jul-06-10 01:27 AM |
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To Ulysses?? |
Beartracks |
Jul-02-10 10:08 PM |
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Sure he was. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-04-10 12:28 PM |
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So, who invented him, and why? |
rug |
Jul-04-10 04:55 PM |
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I have no idea who first came up with that type of character |
cleanhippie |
Jul-04-10 06:24 PM |
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Ignorance does not explain a first century invention. |
rug |
Jul-04-10 06:30 PM |
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Sure it does. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-05-10 10:21 AM |
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Study up on early Christianity. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 12:41 PM |
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The christ-like figure was around long before "christ" was invented. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-05-10 12:59 PM |
#71 |
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The question is not about a "christ-like" figure in the foggy mists of time. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 01:12 PM |
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As I stated before, i do not know. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-05-10 01:52 PM |
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The why hasn't been answered. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 02:00 PM |
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Well, we can just disagree then. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-05-10 02:14 PM |
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You may not think he's an invention, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 02:21 PM |
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So, you believe in Palestine, in the mid to late first century C.E., |
rug |
Jul-05-10 02:51 PM |
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First off, it's a hypothesis, not a theory, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 03:47 PM |
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So the purported lack of historical evidence supports the hypothesis he did not exist. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 04:06 PM |
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I disagree, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 04:09 PM |
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Read closely the history of Palestine and Rome between 30 CE and 100 CE. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 04:15 PM |
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Are you claiming that the books of the Bible ARE |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 04:32 PM |
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Not at all. Don't you think the work of William Shirer is self-evidently non-fiction? |
rug |
Jul-05-10 05:21 PM |
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I don't think anything can be self-evidently non-fiction. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 05:41 PM |
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After following (or trying to) your posts, they are anything but clear. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-05-10 07:43 PM |
#94 |
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A noble effort |
skepticscott |
Jul-05-10 08:17 PM |
#96 |
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That's an intelligent statement. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 08:56 PM |
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You find asking why you believe Jesus was invented is strange? |
rug |
Jul-05-10 08:49 PM |
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Then show us the self-evident difference between fiction and Scientology. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 08:54 PM |
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Fiction does not involve a series of practices and E-meters. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 08:59 PM |
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Considering those practices are based on fiction, and the E-meters themselves |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 09:03 PM |
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It does if you don't have a two dimensional view of religion. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 09:06 PM |
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So Dianetics is less fictional than Moby Dick? |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 09:10 PM |
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And I don't buy the bullshit you believe they're the same. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 09:12 PM |
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You're telling me you actually think that |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 09:13 PM |
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I'm telling you not even you believe they're the same. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 09:17 PM |
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And now you're guessing, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 09:21 PM |
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Unless you're obstinately ignorant, it's not a guess. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 09:22 PM |
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Namecalling and diversion will get you nowhere. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 09:25 PM |
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I thought it was "us". |
rug |
Jul-05-10 09:25 PM |
#113 |
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More diversion. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 09:26 PM |
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Nice namecalling. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 09:28 PM |
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What's good for the goose. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 09:31 PM |
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I don't answer stupid questions, especially insincere stupid questions. |
rug |
Jul-05-10 09:32 PM |
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Correction: |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 09:35 PM |
#119 |
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See 114 for rulebreaking |
rug |
Jul-05-10 09:39 PM |
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Your dismissal, or attempt at such, is noted, but |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 10:09 PM |
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#88 |
BurtWorm |
Jul-05-10 06:19 PM |
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See #88 for a possible answer. |
BurtWorm |
Jul-05-10 06:19 PM |
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yes, I think there is a basis for his existence. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Jul-02-10 10:54 PM |
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I find it unlikely that most religious stories are based on anything factual. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Jul-02-10 10:55 PM |
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Thanks for adding this. I was too brief. I agree with what you've said. Thanks! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Jul-03-10 07:32 AM |
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Couple of others, stolen for the Buy-bull |
onager |
Jul-04-10 11:36 AM |
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I would say |
darkstar3 |
Jul-02-10 11:36 PM |
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Excellent points! I was speaking mostly of Christianity. Thanks for clarifying! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Jul-03-10 07:30 AM |
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But that seems to be the problem. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-04-10 12:27 PM |
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Explain historical fiction then? |
Cleobulus |
Jul-05-10 08:42 PM |
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Then take the most recent major living religion and apply critical thinking/examination. |
ironbark |
Jul-02-10 09:52 PM |
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Both require the suspension of disbelief. nt |
rrneck |
Jul-02-10 10:16 PM |
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IMO there is science/mathematics and all else is fiction. n/t |
jody |
Jul-02-10 10:18 PM |
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I think religion is intended to be believed, while fiction is not. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Jul-02-10 10:44 PM |
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Christianity is clearly history based, i.e. life of one Jesus, but other religions are based on |
jody |
Jul-02-10 11:14 PM |
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Clearly? |
darkstar3 |
Jul-02-10 11:29 PM |
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Understand but it's still history or claimed history as opposed to other religions that are based on |
jody |
Jul-02-10 11:37 PM |
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Hmm... |
darkstar3 |
Jul-03-10 12:01 AM |
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Uhm, quite a few religions, from what I've read of them, are based on some type of events... |
Cleobulus |
Jul-03-10 01:38 AM |
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The jury is out on how history- based Christianity actually is. |
BurtWorm |
Jul-04-10 09:42 AM |
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In #23 I qualified my earlier statement as history or claimed history. n/t |
jody |
Jul-04-10 10:23 AM |
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I think there is still a lot of debate about that. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-04-10 12:31 PM |
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agreed! |
crumb77 |
Jul-03-10 02:13 AM |
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Your beliefs are fiction. Mine are religion. |
trotsky |
Jul-03-10 07:56 AM |
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Orthodoxy is my doxy. Heterodoxy is your doxy. |
Iggo |
Jul-03-10 04:43 PM |
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Nice trick! |
cleanhippie |
Jul-04-10 12:33 PM |
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Well, there is a clear distinction between |
skepticscott |
Jul-03-10 08:00 AM |
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Is there? |
darkstar3 |
Jul-04-10 12:45 AM |
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Well, I guess it depends on how you're using the term "fiction" |
skepticscott |
Jul-04-10 09:14 AM |
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A story that is untrue. That is what I mean. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-04-10 02:40 PM |
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It's not quite that simple |
skepticscott |
Jul-04-10 09:09 PM |
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I am, at the moment, unconcerned with the reception of the story, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-04-10 11:14 PM |
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Well, you'd be hard pressed to find many fictional |
skepticscott |
Jul-05-10 04:12 PM |
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Elaborate please. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 04:18 PM |
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What I mean is that |
skepticscott |
Jul-05-10 06:42 PM |
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True, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 07:21 PM |
#93 |
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There you go changing the subject back to the OP. |
laconicsax |
Jul-07-10 04:32 PM |
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(I know, I was looking for something banal that had a following.) |
darkstar3 |
Jul-07-10 05:03 PM |
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If you mean you can't find a bible of any faith in the Fiction section |
RagAss |
Jul-03-10 06:14 PM |
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Clearly you've never visited a bookstore after me. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-04-10 12:46 AM |
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LOL !!! |
RagAss |
Jul-04-10 08:50 AM |
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a religion is, or can be, more than just a mythology |
unblock |
Jul-03-10 06:42 PM |
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You raise a very interesting point, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-03-10 09:30 PM |
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i think you may be mistaking the origin of the traditions |
unblock |
Jul-03-10 11:45 PM |
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Contradicting your belief does not constitute a mistake on my part. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-04-10 12:32 AM |
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my point is that the customs might have predated the explanation |
unblock |
Jul-04-10 10:48 AM |
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I don't agree with your belief in how these traditions arose. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-04-10 02:29 PM |
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Are you sure the thirteen tribes are not a fiction? |
BurtWorm |
Jul-04-10 09:48 AM |
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i'm not sure of much of anything that far back, especially when religion can shroud the truth |
unblock |
Jul-04-10 10:41 AM |
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I think there may be some truth in your view of how rites come to be. |
BurtWorm |
Jul-05-10 02:27 PM |
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The proponent of a fiction does not believe it to be true. N.T. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jul-03-10 08:14 PM |
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According to the definitions they are almost one in the same |
MadMaddie |
Jul-03-10 08:15 PM |
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Religion and fiction are spelled and pronounced completely differently from one another. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Jul-04-10 12:12 AM |
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This makes the assumption that there IS a clear distinction. |
cleanhippie |
Jul-04-10 12:25 PM |
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Fiction, although often influenced by other's stories...... |
DeSwiss |
Jul-04-10 12:35 PM |
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Clearly you've never read Eragon, |
darkstar3 |
Jul-04-10 02:31 PM |
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Snap! |
laconicsax |
Jul-04-10 06:50 PM |
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Clearly. n/t |
DeSwiss |
Jul-04-10 08:24 PM |
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Are you saying that the author is not original |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Jul-05-10 09:36 PM |
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I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. |
DeSwiss |
Jul-05-10 09:55 PM |
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I got your point. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 10:11 PM |
#125 |
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No problemo. |
DeSwiss |
Jul-05-10 10:36 PM |
#126 |
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You're not missing much. :) |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 10:39 PM |
#127 |
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Firefly has the same internal logic as the Star Wars prequels |
laconicsax |
Jul-07-10 01:51 AM |
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Everyone's a critic... |
darkstar3 |
Jul-07-10 12:53 PM |
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Might as well have it here. |
laconicsax |
Jul-07-10 02:15 PM |
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. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-07-10 04:07 PM |
#139 |
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What's to misunderstand? |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Jul-06-10 10:08 PM |
#135 |
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I was saying that the authors were unoriginal. Incredibly so. |
darkstar3 |
Jul-05-10 10:10 PM |
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Eh, not really... |
Cleobulus |
Jul-05-10 08:47 PM |
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It's a great debate question but for my part, I don't |
saltpoint |
Jul-04-10 05:38 PM |
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The problem you mention with religions is that they didn't have a single narrator... |
Cleobulus |
Jul-05-10 08:55 PM |
#101 |
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Yes. Not to slam the authors of the gospels for |
saltpoint |
Jul-05-10 09:28 PM |
#115 |
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They're may be varying degrees of realism... |
Silent3 |
Jul-05-10 10:55 PM |
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We can delineate the fictional character but have |
saltpoint |
Jul-06-10 12:05 AM |
#129 |
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"Putting forth a point of view" has nothing to do with whether... |
Silent3 |
Jul-06-10 06:25 AM |
#131 |
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I'd say point of view is inherent in an author's |
saltpoint |
Jul-06-10 07:48 AM |
#132 |
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Is that just an additional point you wanted to add... |
Silent3 |
Jul-06-10 08:28 AM |
#133 |
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I think we're very close on the question in the original |
saltpoint |
Jul-06-10 08:31 AM |
#134 |
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