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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. Some denominations
make changes in policy or worship practice on some things, but that is not remotely the same as changing the beliefs that are central to their religion. For all of those denominations, you will find certain beliefs that have not changed and will not change, and that people belong to those faiths because of.
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  -A very interesting article on the reasons people believe in a god hyphenate  Jun-17-10 10:55 PM   #0 
  - I've lived without it for 40 years.  snot   Jun-17-10 11:00 PM   #1 
  - living ethically, yeah, that is interesting. Most agnostics/athestist/deists I know are more ethical  havocmom   Jun-17-10 11:05 PM   #2 
  - The world's religions are many and varied and have around for thousands of years,  elocs   Jun-17-10 11:21 PM   #3 
  - Yet atheism has been around just as long, if not longer.  laconicsax   Jun-17-10 11:27 PM   #4 
     - Indeed, and every Christian is an atheist w.r.t. Allah, for instance. n/t  trotsky   Jun-18-10 06:48 AM   #16 
        - Well, considering they're one and the same....  Sal316   Jun-18-10 11:01 AM   #28 
           - Yes, most Christians are atheists wrt to Ganesh. Allah, not so much. nt  GliderGuider   Jun-18-10 11:52 AM   #31 
           - Sure they're the same, Sal.  trotsky   Jun-18-10 01:33 PM   #33 
           - I always froget which one is the holy ghost.  BurtWorm   Jun-18-10 04:07 PM   #41 
           - THEY'RE ONE AND THE SAME ALLAHDAMMIT!  trotsky   Jun-18-10 04:52 PM   #42 
           - Again, according to the fundies  hyphenate   Jun-18-10 10:46 PM   #55 
           - Yup they are.  Sal316   Jun-18-10 08:38 PM   #48 
              - Yeah, about the same as tooth fairy science.  trotsky   Jun-18-10 09:42 PM   #52 
              - Same.  Sal316   Jun-18-10 11:56 PM   #57 
                 - Different.  trotsky   Jun-19-10 07:32 AM   #63 
                    - I wonder if El, chief god of the ancient Canaanites, is one and the same  uberllama42   Jun-19-10 10:03 PM   #77 
                    - By the criteria of authenticity established in Christianity/Islam the answer is no.  ironbark   Jun-21-10 02:37 AM   #87 
                       - That seems to be a different criterion than what the other poster was using  uberllama42   Jun-21-10 04:04 AM   #90 
                          - A rose by any other name?  ironbark   Jun-21-10 05:00 AM   #92 
                          - self delete  ironbark   Jun-21-10 05:00 AM   #93 
                    - Different things?.  ironbark   Jun-21-10 02:32 AM   #86 
              - Too bad for you, that concept cuts both ways.  laconicsax   Jun-19-10 11:23 PM   #78 
           - You probably forgot  skepticscott   Jun-18-10 08:16 PM   #46 
           - No, I didn't...  Sal316   Jun-18-10 08:48 PM   #49 
              - Ah, but it was YOUR "gotcha" that started this little detour.  trotsky   Jun-18-10 09:46 PM   #53 
              - And I realize that theological name dropping  skepticscott   Jun-19-10 06:57 AM   #61 
              - So wait, you worship the head of the Canaanite religion? n/t  Cleobulus   Jun-19-10 01:29 PM   #68 
           - According to my ex-friend, now-fundie  hyphenate   Jun-18-10 10:42 PM   #54 
           - Who are you to tell fundamentalists what god they believe in?  uberllama42   Jun-18-10 11:33 PM   #56 
           - Ummm....because there's these little things.....  Sal316   Jun-19-10 12:02 AM   #58 
           - Enlighten me, please  uberllama42   Jun-19-10 01:27 AM   #59 
           - If a man on roller-skates believes hes driving a BMW we take his word for it?  ironbark   Jun-21-10 03:17 AM   #88 
           - they're one and the same....  rrneck   Jun-19-10 08:37 PM   #73 
              - How so?Just for funtry to imagine.  ironbark   Jun-21-10 03:46 AM   #89 
                 - It would appear  rrneck   Jun-21-10 11:35 AM   #94 
  - "Faith" is the real enemy, not god...  NeoGreen   Jun-17-10 11:35 PM   #5 
  - Faith also allows you to climb tall mountains  Nostradammit   Jun-18-10 02:09 AM   #9 
     - You're playing semantic games.  laconicsax   Jun-18-10 02:33 AM   #10 
     - All right, how about this -  Nostradammit   Jun-18-10 02:55 AM   #11 
        - I think laconicsax only recognizes and accepts his own personal definition of "faith,"  struggle4progress   Jun-18-10 04:37 AM   #13 
        - Read and learn.  trotsky   Jun-18-10 06:42 AM   #14 
        - oh dear  struggle4progress   Jun-18-10 08:36 AM   #19 
           - Well, once of us is certainly confused about the fallacy of equivocation, I'll give you that. n/t  trotsky   Jun-18-10 08:46 AM   #21 
        - So you think when they put the first astronauts into outer space  Goblinmonger   Jun-18-10 07:53 AM   #17 
        - No, but they had faith that they would be able to surmount the logistical  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-18-10 08:46 AM   #20 
           - Why are you substituting  skepticscott   Jun-18-10 03:37 PM   #38 
              - How do you know how it's used by all religious people?  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-18-10 08:03 PM   #44 
                 - More intellectual bullshit  skepticscott   Jun-18-10 08:26 PM   #47 
                    - When people say they have a deep and abiding faith, they're speaking  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-18-10 09:09 PM   #51 
                       - Then why does EVERY  skepticscott   Jun-19-10 01:18 PM   #66 
                          - Not open to change, discussion, or interpretation?  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-19-10 07:26 PM   #70 
                             - Some denominations  skepticscott   Jun-19-10 07:51 PM   #71 
                                - You really think that people join churches because they like this laundry list  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-19-10 09:34 PM   #75 
        - How about...  PassingFair   Jun-18-10 08:13 AM   #18 
        - My "personal definition" is actually quite common.  laconicsax   Jun-18-10 01:56 PM   #35 
        - I wasn't meant to be a direct answer to what...  NeoGreen   Jun-18-10 11:53 AM   #32 
        - NoFaith as prime motivations for 9/11 can be denied.  ironbark   Jun-21-10 04:40 AM   #91 
        - That's fine.  laconicsax   Jun-18-10 01:47 PM   #34 
     - I do not need Faith to have a profound...  NeoGreen   Jun-18-10 11:49 AM   #30 
  - Religious beliefs are obviously not about what happens after we die?  laconicsax   Jun-17-10 11:58 PM   #6 
  - In a classic work, Durkheim defined religion as distinguishing the sacred from the profane  struggle4progress   Jun-18-10 04:08 AM   #12 
     - Where did I say that "Everybody who doesn't agree with me is a superstitious moron"?  laconicsax   Jun-18-10 02:13 PM   #36 
     - Have you suddenly changed your views? I have no trouble finding posts of yours  struggle4progress   Jun-19-10 07:21 AM   #62 
        - So you admit to misrepresentingy words.  laconicsax   Jun-19-10 11:45 PM   #79 
     - Do you ever make any other argument  skepticscott   Jun-18-10 03:40 PM   #39 
        - Sometimes I wonder if he's actually read the works he mentions...  laconicsax   Jun-20-10 09:24 PM   #85 
  - For a lot of people, a belief in an after-life is an important coping mechanism  Old and In the Way   Jun-18-10 12:24 AM   #7 
  - Sorry, I stumbled when  Grey   Jun-18-10 12:57 AM   #8 
  - A majority of Americans do not accept evolution.  trotsky   Jun-18-10 06:46 AM   #15 
  - That's the result of bad science education and the  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-18-10 08:57 AM   #23 
     - But the myth originates in, and is perpetuated by, the Christian religion.  trotsky   Jun-18-10 08:59 AM   #24 
     - A certain KIND of Christianity promulgates Creationism  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-18-10 09:06 AM   #25 
        - Yes, a very, very common kind. FAR more common than the variety you subscribe to, Lydia.  trotsky   Jun-18-10 09:23 AM   #26 
        - They Sure Are  arKansasJHawk   Jun-20-10 12:54 AM   #80 
        - Polls consistently show that  skepticscott   Jun-18-10 03:36 PM   #37 
        - It's not like biblical literalism is relegated solely to creationism.  Zhade   Jun-20-10 01:49 AM   #82 
     - You blame things on "bad science education"  skepticscott   Jun-18-10 03:44 PM   #40 
        - And the fundies didn't take over the school systems by themselves  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-18-10 07:18 PM   #43 
           - So what does all of that  skepticscott   Jun-18-10 08:13 PM   #45 
              - They did it because of their religion but they didn't start  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-18-10 09:05 PM   #50 
                 - Again, none of which has anything to do with  skepticscott   Jun-19-10 01:22 PM   #67 
                    - I never said fundamentalism wasn't to blame  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-19-10 07:22 PM   #69 
                       - Here's exactly what you said  skepticscott   Jun-19-10 07:58 PM   #72 
                          - The political purpose is to raise up a cadre of youth  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-19-10 09:21 PM   #74 
                             - You admitted to the influence  skepticscott   Jun-20-10 06:35 AM   #83 
                                - I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing here  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-20-10 04:53 PM   #84 
  - Some points from this article I really can relate to:  raccoon   Jun-18-10 08:56 AM   #22 
  - The idea that most, or even many, believers have nuanced theological notions is false  dmallind   Jun-18-10 10:49 AM   #27 
  - What bothers me about it is that the same people who chide Dawkins et al.  uberllama42   Jun-19-10 03:17 AM   #60 
  - Why call it god, then?  BurtWorm   Jun-18-10 11:04 AM   #29 
  - The age of the earth looks pretty old to me. Scientists of many stripes  saltpoint   Jun-19-10 08:05 AM   #64 
  - Visitors are no longer allowed in the actual caves  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-19-10 09:37 PM   #76 
     - Lydia Leftcoast, hello to you.  saltpoint   Jun-20-10 01:23 AM   #81 
  - Evolution and religion  mothergooseminute   Jun-19-10 09:05 AM   #65 

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