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Fri Jun-18-10 02:09 AM
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| 9. Faith also allows you to climb tall mountains |
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and build houses from scratch.
If you had no faith in your ability to fly a rocket to the moon you'd never bother trying.
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| -A very interesting article on the reasons people believe in a god |
hyphenate |
Jun-17-10 10:55 PM |
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I've lived without it for 40 years. |
snot |
Jun-17-10 11:00 PM |
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living ethically, yeah, that is interesting. Most agnostics/athestist/deists I know are more ethical |
havocmom |
Jun-17-10 11:05 PM |
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The world's religions are many and varied and have around for thousands of years, |
elocs |
Jun-17-10 11:21 PM |
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Yet atheism has been around just as long, if not longer. |
laconicsax |
Jun-17-10 11:27 PM |
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Indeed, and every Christian is an atheist w.r.t. Allah, for instance. n/t |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 06:48 AM |
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Well, considering they're one and the same.... |
Sal316 |
Jun-18-10 11:01 AM |
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Yes, most Christians are atheists wrt to Ganesh. Allah, not so much. nt |
GliderGuider |
Jun-18-10 11:52 AM |
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Sure they're the same, Sal. |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 01:33 PM |
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I always froget which one is the holy ghost. |
BurtWorm |
Jun-18-10 04:07 PM |
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THEY'RE ONE AND THE SAME ALLAHDAMMIT! |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 04:52 PM |
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Again, according to the fundies |
hyphenate |
Jun-18-10 10:46 PM |
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Yup they are. |
Sal316 |
Jun-18-10 08:38 PM |
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Yeah, about the same as tooth fairy science. |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 09:42 PM |
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Same. |
Sal316 |
Jun-18-10 11:56 PM |
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Different. |
trotsky |
Jun-19-10 07:32 AM |
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I wonder if El, chief god of the ancient Canaanites, is one and the same |
uberllama42 |
Jun-19-10 10:03 PM |
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By the criteria of authenticity established in Christianity/Islam the answer is “no”. |
ironbark |
Jun-21-10 02:37 AM |
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That seems to be a different criterion than what the other poster was using |
uberllama42 |
Jun-21-10 04:04 AM |
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A rose by any other name? |
ironbark |
Jun-21-10 05:00 AM |
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self delete |
ironbark |
Jun-21-10 05:00 AM |
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‘Different’ things?. |
ironbark |
Jun-21-10 02:32 AM |
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Too bad for you, that concept cuts both ways. |
laconicsax |
Jun-19-10 11:23 PM |
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You probably forgot |
skepticscott |
Jun-18-10 08:16 PM |
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No, I didn't... |
Sal316 |
Jun-18-10 08:48 PM |
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Ah, but it was YOUR "gotcha" that started this little detour. |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 09:46 PM |
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And I realize that theological name dropping |
skepticscott |
Jun-19-10 06:57 AM |
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So wait, you worship the head of the Canaanite religion? n/t |
Cleobulus |
Jun-19-10 01:29 PM |
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According to my ex-friend, now-fundie |
hyphenate |
Jun-18-10 10:42 PM |
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Who are you to tell fundamentalists what god they believe in? |
uberllama42 |
Jun-18-10 11:33 PM |
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Ummm....because there's these little things..... |
Sal316 |
Jun-19-10 12:02 AM |
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Enlighten me, please |
uberllama42 |
Jun-19-10 01:27 AM |
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If a man on roller-skates believes he’s driving a BMW we “take his word for it”? |
ironbark |
Jun-21-10 03:17 AM |
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they're one and the same.... |
rrneck |
Jun-19-10 08:37 PM |
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“How so?”……Just for fun…try to imagine…. |
ironbark |
Jun-21-10 03:46 AM |
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It would appear |
rrneck |
Jun-21-10 11:35 AM |
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"Faith" is the real enemy, not god... |
NeoGreen |
Jun-17-10 11:35 PM |
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Faith also allows you to climb tall mountains |
Nostradammit |
Jun-18-10 02:09 AM |
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You're playing semantic games. |
laconicsax |
Jun-18-10 02:33 AM |
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All right, how about this - |
Nostradammit |
Jun-18-10 02:55 AM |
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I think laconicsax only recognizes and accepts his own personal definition of "faith," |
struggle4progress |
Jun-18-10 04:37 AM |
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Read and learn. |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 06:42 AM |
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oh dear |
struggle4progress |
Jun-18-10 08:36 AM |
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Well, once of us is certainly confused about the fallacy of equivocation, I'll give you that. n/t |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 08:46 AM |
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So you think when they put the first astronauts into outer space |
Goblinmonger |
Jun-18-10 07:53 AM |
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No, but they had faith that they would be able to surmount the logistical |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-18-10 08:46 AM |
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Why are you substituting |
skepticscott |
Jun-18-10 03:37 PM |
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How do you know how it's used by all religious people? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-18-10 08:03 PM |
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More intellectual bullshit |
skepticscott |
Jun-18-10 08:26 PM |
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When people say they have a deep and abiding faith, they're speaking |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-18-10 09:09 PM |
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Then why does EVERY |
skepticscott |
Jun-19-10 01:18 PM |
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Not open to change, discussion, or interpretation? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-19-10 07:26 PM |
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Some denominations |
skepticscott |
Jun-19-10 07:51 PM |
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You really think that people join churches because they like this laundry list |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-19-10 09:34 PM |
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How about... |
PassingFair |
Jun-18-10 08:13 AM |
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My "personal definition" is actually quite common. |
laconicsax |
Jun-18-10 01:56 PM |
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I wasn't meant to be a direct answer to what... |
NeoGreen |
Jun-18-10 11:53 AM |
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No…’Faith’ as “prime motivations” for 9/11 can be “denied”. |
ironbark |
Jun-21-10 04:40 AM |
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That's fine. |
laconicsax |
Jun-18-10 01:47 PM |
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I do not need Faith to have a profound... |
NeoGreen |
Jun-18-10 11:49 AM |
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Religious beliefs are obviously not about what happens after we die? |
laconicsax |
Jun-17-10 11:58 PM |
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In a classic work, Durkheim defined religion as distinguishing the sacred from the profane |
struggle4progress |
Jun-18-10 04:08 AM |
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Where did I say that "Everybody who doesn't agree with me is a superstitious moron"? |
laconicsax |
Jun-18-10 02:13 PM |
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Have you suddenly changed your views? I have no trouble finding posts of yours |
struggle4progress |
Jun-19-10 07:21 AM |
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So you admit to misrepresentingy words. |
laconicsax |
Jun-19-10 11:45 PM |
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Do you ever make any other argument |
skepticscott |
Jun-18-10 03:40 PM |
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Sometimes I wonder if he's actually read the works he mentions... |
laconicsax |
Jun-20-10 09:24 PM |
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For a lot of people, a belief in an after-life is an important coping mechanism |
Old and In the Way |
Jun-18-10 12:24 AM |
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Sorry, I stumbled when |
Grey |
Jun-18-10 12:57 AM |
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A majority of Americans do not accept evolution. |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 06:46 AM |
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That's the result of bad science education and the |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-18-10 08:57 AM |
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But the myth originates in, and is perpetuated by, the Christian religion. |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 08:59 AM |
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A certain KIND of Christianity promulgates Creationism |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-18-10 09:06 AM |
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Yes, a very, very common kind. FAR more common than the variety you subscribe to, Lydia. |
trotsky |
Jun-18-10 09:23 AM |
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They Sure Are |
arKansasJHawk |
Jun-20-10 12:54 AM |
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Polls consistently show that |
skepticscott |
Jun-18-10 03:36 PM |
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It's not like biblical literalism is relegated solely to creationism. |
Zhade |
Jun-20-10 01:49 AM |
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You blame things on "bad science education" |
skepticscott |
Jun-18-10 03:44 PM |
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And the fundies didn't take over the school systems by themselves |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-18-10 07:18 PM |
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So what does all of that |
skepticscott |
Jun-18-10 08:13 PM |
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They did it because of their religion but they didn't start |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-18-10 09:05 PM |
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Again, none of which has anything to do with |
skepticscott |
Jun-19-10 01:22 PM |
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I never said fundamentalism wasn't to blame |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-19-10 07:22 PM |
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Here's exactly what you said |
skepticscott |
Jun-19-10 07:58 PM |
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The political purpose is to raise up a cadre of youth |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-19-10 09:21 PM |
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You admitted to the influence |
skepticscott |
Jun-20-10 06:35 AM |
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I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing here |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-20-10 04:53 PM |
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Some points from this article I really can relate to: |
raccoon |
Jun-18-10 08:56 AM |
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The idea that most, or even many, believers have nuanced theological notions is false |
dmallind |
Jun-18-10 10:49 AM |
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What bothers me about it is that the same people who chide Dawkins et al. |
uberllama42 |
Jun-19-10 03:17 AM |
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Why call it god, then? |
BurtWorm |
Jun-18-10 11:04 AM |
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The age of the earth looks pretty old to me. Scientists of many stripes |
saltpoint |
Jun-19-10 08:05 AM |
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Visitors are no longer allowed in the actual caves |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-19-10 09:37 PM |
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Lydia Leftcoast, hello to you. |
saltpoint |
Jun-20-10 01:23 AM |
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Evolution and religion |
mothergooseminute |
Jun-19-10 09:05 AM |
#65 |
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