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ironbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 08:57 PM
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27. Perhaps one day you will catch and display one of these “red herrings”…. mounted and stuffed?
Like your argument ;-)

“I'm well aware that hardliners do not make up the majority of Muslims we see in the west.”

Well….your repeated referance to “many Muslims” holding these hardline and fringe views (along with your stereotyping “demented beekeeper” reference) seems to clearly belie you enlightened outlook

“Not that it matters, because the hardliners were actually the topic of discussion in this thread. Go look at the OP. It's about what hardliners have done with their faith and the backlash against it.”

LOL. That’s what I love about you actually sticking your head out of the trench to take the odd misdirected shot….it reveals and exposes your position and your mindset/cosmology.

You see the OP/issue as being about the miniscule minority behaviour =“about what hardliners have done with their faith”.
Because it is reflective of Islam (Scriptural or vast majority)? No…because it serves as an opportunity to slag religion.

Could the OP/issue be about behaviour reflecting the majority?-
“Omar Fareedi, in his letter responding to the actions by the AAF group, didn't threaten violence and didn't demean secularists. He lifted up the higher value of pluralism, cast a light on the overlapping principles shared by secular humanists and Muslims, and suggested that they join together to do something useful for the broader society ...”

No, you have/will cut and ignore what the OP is really about and go exclusively with the divisive misrepresentative minority mindset.

“Your response to my #2 above is worthless.”

Here is the core of my response to your #2-
“Are the “threats to western cartoonists” to be our sole and exclusive concern? Or are we also concerned with sexualisation and objectification of women and children in western media beamed into Islamic countries? Are we concerned with organised paedophile/tourist rings targeting Muslim nations (Indonesia).”

Having cut, ignored and dismissed the point as “worthless” your answer to the “Or are we also concerned” question is clearly >no<…you are not interested in or concerned about these issues.
You will even attempt dismiss the argument that “organised paedophile/tourist rings targeting Muslim nations” is a far bigger and more serious issue than “threats to western cartoonists”…and downplay and straw man to- "he started it" or "you did it, too!".
“He started it” is reflective of your mindset and yours alone.
My pov was that the Islamic world has far bigger and far more important threats to confront than cartoonists or chalk stick figures…and you will give zero interest, recognition or concern to those real threats.

“Oh, and you need to stop continuing arguments from threads long gone by in different and unrelated threads. It's a violation of the rules.”

You invited the response-
“. I know from previous experience with you that you are desperate to find any way you can to defend people of any faith”

You invoke vague "previous experience" I provide specific example -
“Perhaps you are referring to my recognition that religious schools and welfare agencies are in the front line of reporting and protecting against child abuse? A proposition you desperately declared a “lie” and dismissed with “ NOBODY gets kudos from me for preventing child abuse”

If you don't like the provision of substantiating examples then don't argue relying on vague innuendo and oblique insult ;-)
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