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ironbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 08:57 PM
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27. Perhaps one day you will catch and display one of these “red herrings”…. mounted and stuffed?
Like your argument ;-)

“I'm well aware that hardliners do not make up the majority of Muslims we see in the west.”

Well….your repeated referance to “many Muslims” holding these hardline and fringe views (along with your stereotyping “demented beekeeper” reference) seems to clearly belie you enlightened outlook

“Not that it matters, because the hardliners were actually the topic of discussion in this thread. Go look at the OP. It's about what hardliners have done with their faith and the backlash against it.”

LOL. That’s what I love about you actually sticking your head out of the trench to take the odd misdirected shot….it reveals and exposes your position and your mindset/cosmology.

You see the OP/issue as being about the miniscule minority behaviour =“about what hardliners have done with their faith”.
Because it is reflective of Islam (Scriptural or vast majority)? No…because it serves as an opportunity to slag religion.

Could the OP/issue be about behaviour reflecting the majority?-
“Omar Fareedi, in his letter responding to the actions by the AAF group, didn't threaten violence and didn't demean secularists. He lifted up the higher value of pluralism, cast a light on the overlapping principles shared by secular humanists and Muslims, and suggested that they join together to do something useful for the broader society ...”

No, you have/will cut and ignore what the OP is really about and go exclusively with the divisive misrepresentative minority mindset.

“Your response to my #2 above is worthless.”

Here is the core of my response to your #2-
“Are the “threats to western cartoonists” to be our sole and exclusive concern? Or are we also concerned with sexualisation and objectification of women and children in western media beamed into Islamic countries? Are we concerned with organised paedophile/tourist rings targeting Muslim nations (Indonesia).”

Having cut, ignored and dismissed the point as “worthless” your answer to the “Or are we also concerned” question is clearly >no<…you are not interested in or concerned about these issues.
You will even attempt dismiss the argument that “organised paedophile/tourist rings targeting Muslim nations” is a far bigger and more serious issue than “threats to western cartoonists”…and downplay and straw man to- "he started it" or "you did it, too!".
“He started it” is reflective of your mindset and yours alone.
My pov was that the Islamic world has far bigger and far more important threats to confront than cartoonists or chalk stick figures…and you will give zero interest, recognition or concern to those real threats.

“Oh, and you need to stop continuing arguments from threads long gone by in different and unrelated threads. It's a violation of the rules.”

You invited the response-
“. I know from previous experience with you that you are desperate to find any way you can to defend people of any faith”

You invoke vague "previous experience" I provide specific example -
“Perhaps you are referring to my recognition that religious schools and welfare agencies are in the front line of reporting and protecting against child abuse? A proposition you desperately declared a “lie” and dismissed with “ NOBODY gets kudos from me for preventing child abuse”

If you don't like the provision of substantiating examples then don't argue relying on vague innuendo and oblique insult ;-)
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  -Defending Free Speech Against Fundamentalist Islam? struggle4progress  May-13-10 12:12 AM   #0 
  - If people have free will, and choose to believe labling a stick figure "Prophet Muhammad" is bad,  ZombieHorde   May-13-10 01:11 AM   #1 
  - When free speech and religious sensibilities come into conflict, there should NEVER be any doubt.  trotsky   May-13-10 06:49 AM   #2 
  - Defending free speech is a commendable activity.  Jim__   May-13-10 07:19 AM   #3 
  - The name of the group is "Revolution Muslim"  uberllama42   May-14-10 01:48 AM   #16 
  - The Qur'an does not prohibit making images, only worshipping them  ironbark   May-13-10 11:25 AM   #4 
  - That is one interpretation.  darkstar3   May-13-10 12:02 PM   #5 
     - And here's another  ironbark   May-13-10 10:45 PM   #9 
        - And both of our interpretations are espoused by different groups of Muslims.  darkstar3   May-13-10 10:54 PM   #10 
           - Have you noticed that you don’t actually answer what is said to you?  ironbark   May-14-10 01:25 AM   #14 
              - Have you noticed that when confronted with a topic you don't like,  darkstar3   May-14-10 08:41 AM   #19 
                 - Perhaps one day you will catch and display one of these “red herrings”…. mounted and stuffed?  ironbark   May-14-10 08:57 PM   #27 
                    - How thick can you get?  darkstar3   May-14-10 11:03 PM   #32 
                       - Any time you feel your capable of returning to the issues...let me know.  ironbark   May-15-10 01:31 AM   #34 
                          - Now you rely on repeating yourself verbatim in the same thread?  darkstar3   May-15-10 01:40 AM   #36 
                             - Inviting you to return to the issues if you have finished with your shark/red herring fishing fetish  ironbark   May-15-10 01:55 AM   #40 
                                - I'm not chasing your red herrings.  darkstar3   May-15-10 01:57 AM   #41 
  - Blah, blah, blah.  laconicsax   May-13-10 05:56 PM   #6 
  - I'll certainly stand up for your right to say ignorant, asinine or hateful things  struggle4progress   May-13-10 10:41 PM   #8 
  - And THAT is what free societies are all about.  darkstar3   May-13-10 11:14 PM   #11 
  - What an ignorant, asinine, and hateful thing to say.  laconicsax   May-14-10 12:03 AM   #13 
  - Well, you're the expert on making ignorant and asinine comments so I'll trust your judgement.  laconicsax   May-14-10 12:01 AM   #12 
  - Not just threats, violence and murder  skepticscott   May-14-10 05:03 AM   #18 
     - I knew I was forgetting something. n/t  laconicsax   May-14-10 01:47 PM   #22 
  - Patel should leave the strawmen at home  charlie   May-13-10 06:08 PM   #7 
  - The connection between Revolution Muslim and the Muslim students on campus  uberllama42   May-14-10 01:54 AM   #17 
     - It's behavior identical to what we see here in R/T and elsewhere on DU.  trotsky   May-14-10 09:46 AM   #20 
        - Well, it's one thing to say that the MSA students don't want the drawings out there either  uberllama42   May-14-10 03:34 PM   #23 
        - And non believers never ".. "circle the wagons" to defend their wacko fundie brethren..."?  ironbark   May-14-10 10:16 PM   #29 
           - Where's your substantiation? n/t  darkstar3   May-14-10 11:03 PM   #33 
              - It’s a pertinent question. Not having answered one it is no surprise you do not recognise one.  ironbark   May-15-10 01:37 AM   #35 
                 - What's good for the goose...  darkstar3   May-15-10 01:41 AM   #37 
                    - I have no idea what is good for you.  ironbark   May-15-10 02:51 AM   #42 
                       - Still waiting...  darkstar3   May-15-10 02:26 PM   #47 
  - I often wonder, S4P, if you have thoughts on the articles you post  uberllama42   May-14-10 01:37 AM   #15 
  - I think you should read the article slowly and carefully and then meditate  struggle4progress   May-14-10 12:25 PM   #21 
     - Well, next time you're upset that there's no civil discussion in R/T  uberllama42   May-14-10 03:42 PM   #24 
        - You asked. I answered. I meant no harm by it  struggle4progress   May-14-10 04:33 PM   #25 
           - It came across as snark.  uberllama42   May-14-10 08:38 PM   #26 
  - Oh for fuck's sake.  ChadwickHenryWard   May-14-10 09:42 PM   #28 
     - Yup....Right up there with burning or pissing on the flag...can't hurt anyone.  ironbark   May-14-10 10:24 PM   #30 
        - 100%  ChadwickHenryWard   May-14-10 10:39 PM   #31 
        - Good…Perhaps further agreement can be reached.  ironbark   May-15-10 01:48 AM   #38 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-15-10 01:54 AM   #39 
           - I wouldn't go so far as to say that.  ChadwickHenryWard   May-15-10 09:49 AM   #44 
              - Ok........nice post.....thanks.  ironbark   May-15-10 11:08 AM   #46 
        - Your failed attempts at sarcasm aside  skepticscott   May-15-10 06:01 AM   #43 
           - That you recognised an element of sarcasm confirms the attempt did not fail.  ironbark   May-15-10 09:50 AM   #45 
              - I meant that injecting sarcasm  skepticscott   May-16-10 06:30 AM   #48 
                 - I Should Be So Special  I Am So Me   May-16-10 11:35 AM   #49 
                    - My uncle was telling me today about how his buddy started a church  uberllama42   May-17-10 12:14 AM   #50 

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