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Sun Jan-31-10 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
| -How did the message of the New Testament get so far off track? |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 04:22 AM |
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It started going really wrong in the 3rd/ 4th century. |
Betty Karlson |
Jan-31-10 05:01 AM |
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Yes! Thank you for this reply |
kywildcat |
Jan-31-10 07:43 AM |
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Indeed. On that same note: |
Betty Karlson |
Feb-01-10 08:26 AM |
#29 |
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Politics... |
JerseygirlCT |
Feb-03-10 09:07 PM |
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Don't forget the other part |
Warpy |
Feb-28-10 11:50 PM |
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People, politics and money got involved and created a top heavy |
old mark |
Jan-31-10 05:54 AM |
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So I understand your question--- |
LARED |
Jan-31-10 06:32 AM |
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There are a lot of messages |
skepticscott |
Jan-31-10 09:15 AM |
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When you can get more than two Christians to agree on exactly WHAT... |
trotsky |
Jan-31-10 09:24 AM |
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Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 11:58 AM |
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That's ONE message, one that you happen to like |
skepticscott |
Jan-31-10 12:10 PM |
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No, it is the message, in various forms, repeated in the New Testament and elsewhere |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 12:30 PM |
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Have you read the OLD Testament? |
TZ |
Feb-01-10 09:24 AM |
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That's why the OP is stated as it is |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 01:27 PM |
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Reciprocity is the "merest moral truism" |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Feb-03-10 03:48 PM |
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So not only do you claim that is "the" message of the New Testament... |
trotsky |
Jan-31-10 12:54 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-31-10 05:23 PM |
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+10. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Jan-31-10 02:25 PM |
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It started right away, when men realized they could use the "words of god" to control people. |
rd_kent |
Jan-31-10 11:04 AM |
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That's it in a nutshell. |
CrispyQ |
Feb-02-10 11:56 AM |
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How? |
Igel |
Jan-31-10 12:54 PM |
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I wonder where the goal of being Christlike fits into the equation..... |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 05:25 PM |
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The message in the New Testament is completely irrelevant to Christianity. |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-31-10 04:49 PM |
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Not all Christians think alike. |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 05:29 PM |
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Your topic sentence answers the question in your OP. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Jan-31-10 05:33 PM |
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The message of the New Testament exists in the mind of the New Testament observer. |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-31-10 09:34 PM |
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The thoughtful answers are interesting. The badgering is boring bullshit. |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 06:18 PM |
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In one of the groups, perhaps. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Jan-31-10 06:23 PM |
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If you just wanted to hear people agree with you, |
trotsky |
Jan-31-10 08:54 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Feb-01-10 08:33 AM |
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It got tangled up in the politics of the late Roman Empire |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-31-10 10:18 PM |
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You need a religion to have empathy? n/t |
marginlized |
Jan-31-10 11:45 PM |
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You need to drop your projections |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 12:11 AM |
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Your quote is a false premise. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-01-10 12:17 AM |
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Somehow along the way... |
trotsky |
Feb-01-10 06:34 AM |
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That does seem to be the point he's trying to make. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-01-10 08:18 AM |
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The message of religion has always been an ultimately selfish one |
TZ |
Feb-01-10 09:26 AM |
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Isn't "survival of the fittest" an ultimately selfish system? |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 09:48 AM |
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I think you miss the point. |
trotsky |
Feb-01-10 10:14 AM |
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If you subscribe to the "Selfish Gene" theory yes. |
TZ |
Feb-01-10 02:33 PM |
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But if altruistic behavior confers a survival advantage in humans, ... |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 03:04 PM |
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What are "actual altruism" and "apparent altruism"? |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 03:24 PM |
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"Actual altruism" meaning acting purely for someone else's benefit. |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 03:32 PM |
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Altruism -- unqualified -- is The Golden Rule |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 04:01 PM |
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All language could be classified as "mere words." |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 04:28 PM |
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It "doesn't really get us anywhere" unless you try it |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 04:34 PM |
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We all practice altruism - to one extent or another. |
Jim__ |
Feb-02-10 07:14 AM |
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They are the same thing in the spirit of this OP and the book |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 09:04 AM |
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My posts are no more abstract than your posts. |
Jim__ |
Feb-02-10 09:26 AM |
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If you practiced what you are talking about |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 11:44 AM |
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*snort* |
TZ |
Feb-03-10 08:57 AM |
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It's important to remember that evolution doesn't have intentions. |
Silent3 |
Feb-01-10 04:22 PM |
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What kind of |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 03:21 PM |
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where do you get that that post is sexist? |
TZ |
Feb-02-10 07:14 AM |
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Did you forget who you're responding to? |
trotsky |
Feb-02-10 07:32 AM |
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LOL. |
TZ |
Feb-02-10 08:19 AM |
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That's sexist. |
trotsky |
Feb-02-10 08:40 AM |
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UB |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 11:59 AM |
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Feel better now? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-02-10 12:54 PM |
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for the civility-challenged |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 01:55 PM |
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Says the person with the uncivil deleted post! |
trotsky |
Feb-02-10 02:11 PM |
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More than one in this thread, actually. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-02-10 02:33 PM |
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THATS ripe! How many of YOUR posts have been deleted for uncivility? Hypocrite. |
rd_kent |
Feb-02-10 04:13 PM |
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So Evolution is sexist? |
TZ |
Feb-03-10 08:55 AM |
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delete - responded in the wrong place. |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 03:02 PM |
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That's your perception |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 03:20 PM |
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Karma is THE ULTIMATE carrot and stick selfishness |
TZ |
Feb-02-10 07:17 AM |
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That's not Karma |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 11:48 AM |
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You asked about a message from the Bible going off track |
TZ |
Feb-03-10 08:52 AM |
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It was created by men and it was run by men. As all religions. |
LiberalFighter |
Feb-01-10 10:04 PM |
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There are many different messages in the NT. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-02-10 01:40 AM |
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Exactly, especialy your last comment |
moobu2 |
Feb-02-10 08:14 AM |
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It took me years to distill it down to that. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-03-10 12:45 AM |
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Perhaps the recognition of the message of the New Testament has fallen out of fashion |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 09:08 AM |
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But that particular message |
darkstar3 |
Feb-02-10 10:18 AM |
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It's like watching the culmination of a near 2000 year old game of telephone |
jdp349 |
Feb-02-10 10:09 PM |
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The central message of any successful religion is, "Believe and obey." |
Deep13 |
Feb-03-10 09:42 AM |
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You have sandwiched what the OP was attempting to bring to discussion |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 02:15 PM |
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He asked a legitimate question and I gave an honest answer. |
Deep13 |
Feb-03-10 03:52 PM |
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I asked the OP question and I reflected your reply. It was not an accusation. It is what you did. |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 06:33 PM |
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With respect, you don't know what you are talking about. |
Deep13 |
Feb-03-10 07:44 PM |
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With respect, you don't know what you are talking about. |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 09:01 PM |
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It's funny to be accused of egocentrism... |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 03:46 PM |
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That post |
omega minimo |
Feb-05-10 03:07 AM |
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thank you for expanding on what I said, very eloquently. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-03-10 09:32 PM |
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How do you presume to tell other people what they believe? |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 09:42 PM |
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This is actually what Fundies find so troubling about evolution. |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 01:53 PM |
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The Unknown |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 09:39 PM |
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A lack of evidence does not get you to "maybe"... |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 01:51 PM |
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Again you are fighting with your imagery of what you claim not to believe in.... |
omega minimo |
Feb-04-10 02:26 PM |
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You are arguming the limits of human apprehension. |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 03:03 PM |
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You are blinded by your assumptions |
omega minimo |
Feb-04-10 04:01 PM |
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Could you BE more condescending and trite? n/t |
darkstar3 |
Feb-04-10 04:15 PM |
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"It wasn't a slam, it's the Church's presentation of the faith. It's not a secret." |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 02:01 PM |
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Wait, what? "Not every Christian denomination is Hellfire and Brimstone like the Catholics" ? |
beam me up scottie |
Feb-05-10 10:42 PM |
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I have yet to see a Christian denom that does not believe in original sin and sub. atonement. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-06-10 12:21 AM |
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+10 |
darkstar3 |
Feb-06-10 12:30 AM |
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I think many do acknowledge that common message |
JerseygirlCT |
Feb-03-10 08:46 PM |
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The OP used the words "at what point?" Maybe the question is where/when/how/much? |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 09:03 PM |
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There are LOTS of messages in the New Testament. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-06-10 04:06 AM |
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When one lie is replaced by another lie, what has suffered? |
RagAss |
Feb-06-10 09:54 PM |
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It's pretty hilarious, the knots xtians get into. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-07-10 01:51 AM |
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How? People underestimate the power of their own biology. Old hateful impulses get |
patrice |
Feb-08-10 08:30 AM |
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Money. Any more questions? |
RagAss |
Feb-27-10 07:16 PM |
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It didn't. |
greyl |
Mar-01-10 11:03 PM |
#105 |
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