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Sun Jan-31-10 07:43 AM
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| 4. Yes! Thank you for this reply |
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I had a theology professor, years ago who spoke of the extermination of women throughout europe. Christians accused women of being witches and ungodly. It wasn't until they realized that they needed women to reproduce, and their populations were threatened that they stopped the exterminations. He estimated hundreds of thousands of women were exterminated on orders of church leaders.
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| -How did the message of the New Testament get so far off track? |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 04:22 AM |
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It started going really wrong in the 3rd/ 4th century. |
Betty Karlson |
Jan-31-10 05:01 AM |
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Yes! Thank you for this reply |
kywildcat |
Jan-31-10 07:43 AM |
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Indeed. On that same note: |
Betty Karlson |
Feb-01-10 08:26 AM |
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Politics... |
JerseygirlCT |
Feb-03-10 09:07 PM |
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Don't forget the other part |
Warpy |
Feb-28-10 11:50 PM |
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People, politics and money got involved and created a top heavy |
old mark |
Jan-31-10 05:54 AM |
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So I understand your question--- |
LARED |
Jan-31-10 06:32 AM |
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There are a lot of messages |
skepticscott |
Jan-31-10 09:15 AM |
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When you can get more than two Christians to agree on exactly WHAT... |
trotsky |
Jan-31-10 09:24 AM |
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Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 11:58 AM |
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That's ONE message, one that you happen to like |
skepticscott |
Jan-31-10 12:10 PM |
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No, it is the message, in various forms, repeated in the New Testament and elsewhere |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 12:30 PM |
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Have you read the OLD Testament? |
TZ |
Feb-01-10 09:24 AM |
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That's why the OP is stated as it is |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 01:27 PM |
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Reciprocity is the "merest moral truism" |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Feb-03-10 03:48 PM |
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So not only do you claim that is "the" message of the New Testament... |
trotsky |
Jan-31-10 12:54 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-31-10 05:23 PM |
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+10. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Jan-31-10 02:25 PM |
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It started right away, when men realized they could use the "words of god" to control people. |
rd_kent |
Jan-31-10 11:04 AM |
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That's it in a nutshell. |
CrispyQ |
Feb-02-10 11:56 AM |
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How? |
Igel |
Jan-31-10 12:54 PM |
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I wonder where the goal of being Christlike fits into the equation..... |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 05:25 PM |
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The message in the New Testament is completely irrelevant to Christianity. |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-31-10 04:49 PM |
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Not all Christians think alike. |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 05:29 PM |
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Your topic sentence answers the question in your OP. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Jan-31-10 05:33 PM |
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The message of the New Testament exists in the mind of the New Testament observer. |
ZombieHorde |
Jan-31-10 09:34 PM |
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The thoughtful answers are interesting. The badgering is boring bullshit. |
omega minimo |
Jan-31-10 06:18 PM |
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In one of the groups, perhaps. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Jan-31-10 06:23 PM |
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If you just wanted to hear people agree with you, |
trotsky |
Jan-31-10 08:54 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Feb-01-10 08:33 AM |
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It got tangled up in the politics of the late Roman Empire |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-31-10 10:18 PM |
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You need a religion to have empathy? n/t |
marginlized |
Jan-31-10 11:45 PM |
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You need to drop your projections |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 12:11 AM |
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Your quote is a false premise. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-01-10 12:17 AM |
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Somehow along the way... |
trotsky |
Feb-01-10 06:34 AM |
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That does seem to be the point he's trying to make. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-01-10 08:18 AM |
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The message of religion has always been an ultimately selfish one |
TZ |
Feb-01-10 09:26 AM |
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Isn't "survival of the fittest" an ultimately selfish system? |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 09:48 AM |
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I think you miss the point. |
trotsky |
Feb-01-10 10:14 AM |
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If you subscribe to the "Selfish Gene" theory yes. |
TZ |
Feb-01-10 02:33 PM |
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But if altruistic behavior confers a survival advantage in humans, ... |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 03:04 PM |
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What are "actual altruism" and "apparent altruism"? |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 03:24 PM |
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"Actual altruism" meaning acting purely for someone else's benefit. |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 03:32 PM |
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Altruism -- unqualified -- is The Golden Rule |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 04:01 PM |
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All language could be classified as "mere words." |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 04:28 PM |
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It "doesn't really get us anywhere" unless you try it |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 04:34 PM |
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We all practice altruism - to one extent or another. |
Jim__ |
Feb-02-10 07:14 AM |
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They are the same thing in the spirit of this OP and the book |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 09:04 AM |
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My posts are no more abstract than your posts. |
Jim__ |
Feb-02-10 09:26 AM |
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If you practiced what you are talking about |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 11:44 AM |
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*snort* |
TZ |
Feb-03-10 08:57 AM |
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It's important to remember that evolution doesn't have intentions. |
Silent3 |
Feb-01-10 04:22 PM |
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What kind of |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 03:21 PM |
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where do you get that that post is sexist? |
TZ |
Feb-02-10 07:14 AM |
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Did you forget who you're responding to? |
trotsky |
Feb-02-10 07:32 AM |
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LOL. |
TZ |
Feb-02-10 08:19 AM |
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That's sexist. |
trotsky |
Feb-02-10 08:40 AM |
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UB |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 11:59 AM |
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Feel better now? |
darkstar3 |
Feb-02-10 12:54 PM |
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for the civility-challenged |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 01:55 PM |
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Says the person with the uncivil deleted post! |
trotsky |
Feb-02-10 02:11 PM |
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More than one in this thread, actually. |
darkstar3 |
Feb-02-10 02:33 PM |
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THATS ripe! How many of YOUR posts have been deleted for uncivility? Hypocrite. |
rd_kent |
Feb-02-10 04:13 PM |
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So Evolution is sexist? |
TZ |
Feb-03-10 08:55 AM |
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delete - responded in the wrong place. |
Jim__ |
Feb-01-10 03:02 PM |
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That's your perception |
omega minimo |
Feb-01-10 03:20 PM |
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Karma is THE ULTIMATE carrot and stick selfishness |
TZ |
Feb-02-10 07:17 AM |
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That's not Karma |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 11:48 AM |
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You asked about a message from the Bible going off track |
TZ |
Feb-03-10 08:52 AM |
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It was created by men and it was run by men. As all religions. |
LiberalFighter |
Feb-01-10 10:04 PM |
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There are many different messages in the NT. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-02-10 01:40 AM |
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Exactly, especialy your last comment |
moobu2 |
Feb-02-10 08:14 AM |
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It took me years to distill it down to that. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-03-10 12:45 AM |
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Perhaps the recognition of the message of the New Testament has fallen out of fashion |
omega minimo |
Feb-02-10 09:08 AM |
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But that particular message |
darkstar3 |
Feb-02-10 10:18 AM |
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It's like watching the culmination of a near 2000 year old game of telephone |
jdp349 |
Feb-02-10 10:09 PM |
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The central message of any successful religion is, "Believe and obey." |
Deep13 |
Feb-03-10 09:42 AM |
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You have sandwiched what the OP was attempting to bring to discussion |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 02:15 PM |
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He asked a legitimate question and I gave an honest answer. |
Deep13 |
Feb-03-10 03:52 PM |
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I asked the OP question and I reflected your reply. It was not an accusation. It is what you did. |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 06:33 PM |
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With respect, you don't know what you are talking about. |
Deep13 |
Feb-03-10 07:44 PM |
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With respect, you don't know what you are talking about. |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 09:01 PM |
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It's funny to be accused of egocentrism... |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 03:46 PM |
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That post |
omega minimo |
Feb-05-10 03:07 AM |
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thank you for expanding on what I said, very eloquently. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-03-10 09:32 PM |
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How do you presume to tell other people what they believe? |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 09:42 PM |
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This is actually what Fundies find so troubling about evolution. |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 01:53 PM |
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The Unknown |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 09:39 PM |
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A lack of evidence does not get you to "maybe"... |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 01:51 PM |
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Again you are fighting with your imagery of what you claim not to believe in.... |
omega minimo |
Feb-04-10 02:26 PM |
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You are arguming the limits of human apprehension. |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 03:03 PM |
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You are blinded by your assumptions |
omega minimo |
Feb-04-10 04:01 PM |
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Could you BE more condescending and trite? n/t |
darkstar3 |
Feb-04-10 04:15 PM |
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"It wasn't a slam, it's the Church's presentation of the faith. It's not a secret." |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-10 02:01 PM |
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Wait, what? "Not every Christian denomination is Hellfire and Brimstone like the Catholics" ? |
beam me up scottie |
Feb-05-10 10:42 PM |
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I have yet to see a Christian denom that does not believe in original sin and sub. atonement. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-06-10 12:21 AM |
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+10 |
darkstar3 |
Feb-06-10 12:30 AM |
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I think many do acknowledge that common message |
JerseygirlCT |
Feb-03-10 08:46 PM |
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The OP used the words "at what point?" Maybe the question is where/when/how/much? |
omega minimo |
Feb-03-10 09:03 PM |
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There are LOTS of messages in the New Testament. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-06-10 04:06 AM |
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When one lie is replaced by another lie, what has suffered? |
RagAss |
Feb-06-10 09:54 PM |
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It's pretty hilarious, the knots xtians get into. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Feb-07-10 01:51 AM |
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How? People underestimate the power of their own biology. Old hateful impulses get |
patrice |
Feb-08-10 08:30 AM |
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Money. Any more questions? |
RagAss |
Feb-27-10 07:16 PM |
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It didn't. |
greyl |
Mar-01-10 11:03 PM |
#105 |
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