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How did the message of the New Testament get so far off track?
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It's so similar to the other -- all the other -- core messages of world religions... and so fundamental to the lessons of human experience, at what point do some or any of these belief systems acknowledge their common message?
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  -How did the message of the New Testament get so far off track? omega minimo  Jan-31-10 04:22 AM   #0 
  - It started going really wrong in the 3rd/ 4th century.  Betty Karlson   Jan-31-10 05:01 AM   #1 
  - Yes! Thank you for this reply  kywildcat   Jan-31-10 07:43 AM   #4 
  - Indeed. On that same note:  Betty Karlson   Feb-01-10 08:26 AM   #29 
  - Politics...  JerseygirlCT   Feb-03-10 09:07 PM   #83 
  - Don't forget the other part  Warpy   Feb-28-10 11:50 PM   #104 
  - People, politics and money got involved and created a top heavy  old mark   Jan-31-10 05:54 AM   #2 
  - So I understand your question---  LARED   Jan-31-10 06:32 AM   #3 
  - There are a lot of messages  skepticscott   Jan-31-10 09:15 AM   #5 
  - When you can get more than two Christians to agree on exactly WHAT...  trotsky   Jan-31-10 09:24 AM   #6 
  - Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you  omega minimo   Jan-31-10 11:58 AM   #8 
  - That's ONE message, one that you happen to like  skepticscott   Jan-31-10 12:10 PM   #9 
  - No, it is the message, in various forms, repeated in the New Testament and elsewhere  omega minimo   Jan-31-10 12:30 PM   #10 
  - Have you read the OLD Testament?  TZ   Feb-01-10 09:24 AM   #31 
  - That's why the OP is stated as it is  omega minimo   Feb-01-10 01:27 PM   #35 
  - Reciprocity is the "merest moral truism"  ChadwickHenryWard   Feb-03-10 03:48 PM   #76 
  - So not only do you claim that is "the" message of the New Testament...  trotsky   Jan-31-10 12:54 PM   #12 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-31-10 05:23 PM   #15 
  - +10. n/t  darkstar3   Jan-31-10 02:25 PM   #13 
  - It started right away, when men realized they could use the "words of god" to control people.  rd_kent   Jan-31-10 11:04 AM   #7 
  - That's it in a nutshell.  CrispyQ   Feb-02-10 11:56 AM   #62 
  - How?  Igel   Jan-31-10 12:54 PM   #11 
  - I wonder where the goal of being Christlike fits into the equation.....  omega minimo   Jan-31-10 05:25 PM   #16 
  - The message in the New Testament is completely irrelevant to Christianity.  ZombieHorde   Jan-31-10 04:49 PM   #14 
  - Not all Christians think alike.  omega minimo   Jan-31-10 05:29 PM   #17 
     - Your topic sentence answers the question in your OP. n/t  darkstar3   Jan-31-10 05:33 PM   #18 
     - The message of the New Testament exists in the mind of the New Testament observer.  ZombieHorde   Jan-31-10 09:34 PM   #22 
  - The thoughtful answers are interesting. The badgering is boring bullshit.  omega minimo   Jan-31-10 06:18 PM   #19 
  - In one of the groups, perhaps. n/t  darkstar3   Jan-31-10 06:23 PM   #20 
  - If you just wanted to hear people agree with you,  trotsky   Jan-31-10 08:54 PM   #21 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-01-10 08:33 AM   #30 
  - It got tangled up in the politics of the late Roman Empire  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-31-10 10:18 PM   #23 
  - You need a religion to have empathy? n/t  marginlized   Jan-31-10 11:45 PM   #24 
  - You need to drop your projections  omega minimo   Feb-01-10 12:11 AM   #25 
     - Your quote is a false premise.  darkstar3   Feb-01-10 12:17 AM   #26 
        - Somehow along the way...  trotsky   Feb-01-10 06:34 AM   #27 
           - That does seem to be the point he's trying to make.  darkstar3   Feb-01-10 08:18 AM   #28 
  - The message of religion has always been an ultimately selfish one  TZ   Feb-01-10 09:26 AM   #32 
  - Isn't "survival of the fittest" an ultimately selfish system?  Jim__   Feb-01-10 09:48 AM   #33 
  - I think you miss the point.  trotsky   Feb-01-10 10:14 AM   #34 
  - If you subscribe to the "Selfish Gene" theory yes.  TZ   Feb-01-10 02:33 PM   #36 
  - But if altruistic behavior confers a survival advantage in humans, ...  Jim__   Feb-01-10 03:04 PM   #38 
     - What are "actual altruism" and "apparent altruism"?  omega minimo   Feb-01-10 03:24 PM   #41 
     - "Actual altruism" meaning acting purely for someone else's benefit.  Jim__   Feb-01-10 03:32 PM   #42 
        - Altruism -- unqualified -- is The Golden Rule  omega minimo   Feb-01-10 04:01 PM   #43 
           - All language could be classified as "mere words."  Jim__   Feb-01-10 04:28 PM   #45 
              - It "doesn't really get us anywhere" unless you try it  omega minimo   Feb-01-10 04:34 PM   #46 
                 - We all practice altruism - to one extent or another.  Jim__   Feb-02-10 07:14 AM   #49 
                    - They are the same thing in the spirit of this OP and the book  omega minimo   Feb-02-10 09:04 AM   #56 
                       - My posts are no more abstract than your posts.  Jim__   Feb-02-10 09:26 AM   #58 
                          - If you practiced what you are talking about  omega minimo   Feb-02-10 11:44 AM   #60 
                             - *snort*  TZ   Feb-03-10 08:57 AM   #73 
     - It's important to remember that evolution doesn't have intentions.  Silent3   Feb-01-10 04:22 PM   #44 
  - What kind of  omega minimo   Feb-01-10 03:21 PM   #40 
     - where do you get that that post is sexist?  TZ   Feb-02-10 07:14 AM   #50 
        - Did you forget who you're responding to?  trotsky   Feb-02-10 07:32 AM   #52 
           - LOL.  TZ   Feb-02-10 08:19 AM   #54 
              - That's sexist.  trotsky   Feb-02-10 08:40 AM   #55 
              - UB  omega minimo   Feb-02-10 11:59 AM   #63 
                 - Feel better now?  darkstar3   Feb-02-10 12:54 PM   #64 
                 - for the civility-challenged  omega minimo   Feb-02-10 01:55 PM   #65 
                 - Says the person with the uncivil deleted post!  trotsky   Feb-02-10 02:11 PM   #66 
                 - More than one in this thread, actually.  darkstar3   Feb-02-10 02:33 PM   #67 
                 - THATS ripe! How many of YOUR posts have been deleted for uncivility? Hypocrite.  rd_kent   Feb-02-10 04:13 PM   #68 
                 - So Evolution is sexist?  TZ   Feb-03-10 08:55 AM   #72 
  - delete - responded in the wrong place.  Jim__   Feb-01-10 03:02 PM   #37 
  - That's your perception  omega minimo   Feb-01-10 03:20 PM   #39 
     - Karma is THE ULTIMATE carrot and stick selfishness  TZ   Feb-02-10 07:17 AM   #51 
        - That's not Karma  omega minimo   Feb-02-10 11:48 AM   #61 
           - You asked about a message from the Bible going off track  TZ   Feb-03-10 08:52 AM   #71 
  - It was created by men and it was run by men. As all religions.  LiberalFighter   Feb-01-10 10:04 PM   #47 
  - There are many different messages in the NT.  Manifestor_of_Light   Feb-02-10 01:40 AM   #48 
  - Exactly, especialy your last comment  moobu2   Feb-02-10 08:14 AM   #53 
  - It took me years to distill it down to that.  Manifestor_of_Light   Feb-03-10 12:45 AM   #70 
  - Perhaps the recognition of the message of the New Testament has fallen out of fashion  omega minimo   Feb-02-10 09:08 AM   #57 
     - But that particular message  darkstar3   Feb-02-10 10:18 AM   #59 
  - It's like watching the culmination of a near 2000 year old game of telephone  jdp349   Feb-02-10 10:09 PM   #69 
  - The central message of any successful religion is, "Believe and obey."  Deep13   Feb-03-10 09:42 AM   #74 
  - You have sandwiched what the OP was attempting to bring to discussion  omega minimo   Feb-03-10 02:15 PM   #75 
     - He asked a legitimate question and I gave an honest answer.  Deep13   Feb-03-10 03:52 PM   #77 
        - I asked the OP question and I reflected your reply. It was not an accusation. It is what you did.  omega minimo   Feb-03-10 06:33 PM   #78 
           - With respect, you don't know what you are talking about.  Deep13   Feb-03-10 07:44 PM   #79 
           - With respect, you don't know what you are talking about.  omega minimo   Feb-03-10 09:01 PM   #81 
           - It's funny to be accused of egocentrism...  Deep13   Feb-04-10 03:46 PM   #92 
              - That post  omega minimo   Feb-05-10 03:07 AM   #95 
           - thank you for expanding on what I said, very eloquently.  Manifestor_of_Light   Feb-03-10 09:32 PM   #84 
           - How do you presume to tell other people what they believe?  omega minimo   Feb-03-10 09:42 PM   #86 
           - This is actually what Fundies find so troubling about evolution.  Deep13   Feb-04-10 01:53 PM   #88 
           - The Unknown  omega minimo   Feb-03-10 09:39 PM   #85 
              - A lack of evidence does not get you to "maybe"...  Deep13   Feb-04-10 01:51 PM   #87 
              - Again you are fighting with your imagery of what you claim not to believe in....  omega minimo   Feb-04-10 02:26 PM   #90 
                 - You are arguming the limits of human apprehension.  Deep13   Feb-04-10 03:03 PM   #91 
                    - You are blinded by your assumptions  omega minimo   Feb-04-10 04:01 PM   #93 
                       - Could you BE more condescending and trite? n/t  darkstar3   Feb-04-10 04:15 PM   #94 
              - "It wasn't a slam, it's the Church's presentation of the faith. It's not a secret."  Deep13   Feb-04-10 02:01 PM   #89 
           - Wait, what? "Not every Christian denomination is Hellfire and Brimstone like the Catholics" ?  beam me up scottie   Feb-05-10 10:42 PM   #96 
              - I have yet to see a Christian denom that does not believe in original sin and sub. atonement.  Manifestor_of_Light   Feb-06-10 12:21 AM   #97 
                 - +10  darkstar3   Feb-06-10 12:30 AM   #98 
  - I think many do acknowledge that common message  JerseygirlCT   Feb-03-10 08:46 PM   #80 
  - The OP used the words "at what point?" Maybe the question is where/when/how/much?  omega minimo   Feb-03-10 09:03 PM   #82 
  - There are LOTS of messages in the New Testament.  Manifestor_of_Light   Feb-06-10 04:06 AM   #99 
  - When one lie is replaced by another lie, what has suffered?  RagAss   Feb-06-10 09:54 PM   #100 
  - It's pretty hilarious, the knots xtians get into.  Manifestor_of_Light   Feb-07-10 01:51 AM   #101 
  - How? People underestimate the power of their own biology. Old hateful impulses get  patrice   Feb-08-10 08:30 AM   #102 
  - Money. Any more questions?  RagAss   Feb-27-10 07:16 PM   #103 
  - It didn't.  greyl   Mar-01-10 11:03 PM   #105 

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