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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. Your logic is flawed...
Just because people BELIEVE something does NOT make it true. Just because something has been around for a long time, does not make it TRUE!

You keep continuing to assert that we should just "throw out" any religious discussion. Why can you not understand that this is about having religious discussion IN GOVERNMENT WHILE MAKING LAWS AND RULES. No one is saying that all religious discussion should be abolished.

Now that we have that cleared up, WHY should religious viewpoints be allowed in governmental decision making?
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  -Does religion have ANY place in government or governmental discussion? rd_kent  Nov-07-09 07:14 PM   #0 
  - It doesn't have its place in government.  glen123098   Nov-07-09 07:17 PM   #1 
     - And how do you propose we determine which gods are fake  Nostradammit   Nov-08-09 12:36 AM   #35 
        - Unless you have some proof that one or more is real, then they ARE fake.....  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 02:09 AM   #37 
           - How much does love weigh?  Nostradammit   Nov-08-09 01:52 PM   #51 
              - The same amount as the person from which it emanates. n/t  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 02:00 PM   #52 
              - Love is an emotion and has no weight.  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 02:12 PM   #54 
                 - Then love is not real, according to some.  Nostradammit   Nov-08-09 02:35 PM   #56 
                    - False analogy  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 04:10 PM   #58 
                       - You would only be proving the effects of hormones  Nostradammit   Nov-08-09 04:50 PM   #61 
                          - Love is one of those effects.  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 04:59 PM   #62 
                             - Would it be possible for a minute part of a whole  Nostradammit   Nov-08-09 05:16 PM   #63 
                                - I don't have to prove that love exists,  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 07:28 PM   #64 
                                - Exactly!  Nostradammit   Nov-08-09 07:44 PM   #65 
                                   - For clarity:  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 08:39 PM   #70 
                                      - Understood -  Nostradammit   Nov-08-09 10:26 PM   #71 
                                - There is hard statistical evidence that being a proclaimed Atheist.  heidler1   Nov-10-09 01:33 AM   #89 
  - Yes. When enforcing the separation of church and state.  geckosfeet   Nov-07-09 07:20 PM   #2 
  - Good point. But is that a discussion about religion or about separation of?  rd_kent   Nov-07-09 07:21 PM   #4 
     - It's mostly about keeping unsubstantiated religious beliefs out of the decision making  geckosfeet   Nov-08-09 07:45 AM   #44 
  - sure if people do what jesus said: go in your closet when you pray and quit braying in public nt  msongs   Nov-07-09 07:20 PM   #3 
  - People have the right to practice their religion  izquierdista   Nov-07-09 07:23 PM   #5 
  - What does practicing ones religion have to do with government?  rd_kent   Nov-07-09 07:27 PM   #8 
  - None whatever.  HeresyLives   Nov-07-09 07:24 PM   #6 
  - No.  PDJane   Nov-07-09 07:27 PM   #7 
  - Of course it does...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-07-09 07:31 PM   #9 
  - Dawkins and other prominent atheist writers disagree  darkstar3   Nov-07-09 07:35 PM   #11 
  - Dawkins is a tool.  Sal316   Nov-07-09 07:40 PM   #14 
  - Ah, an ad hom dismissal, why am I not surprised?  darkstar3   Nov-07-09 07:47 PM   #15 
  - Well, yes, they all have.  Sal316   Nov-07-09 08:31 PM   #24 
     - It's not a strawman.  darkstar3   Nov-07-09 11:00 PM   #27 
     - Now I get it!  Sal316   Nov-08-09 08:14 PM   #66 
        - So you put words in my mouth to setup your own strawman,  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 08:29 PM   #68 
     - There IS no room for nuance, Sal.  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 02:12 AM   #38 
        - It's called hermeneutics  Sal316   Nov-08-09 08:24 PM   #67 
           - Faith and reason are incompatible.  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 08:35 PM   #69 
           - Your points have nothing to do with the question in the OP  rd_kent   Nov-09-09 09:41 AM   #74 
           - So after reading about "hermeneutics, I find that nothing has been answered  rd_kent   Nov-09-09 08:26 PM   #85 
  - "He's just as much a zealot as Robertson,, and should be ignored accordingly"  ZombieHorde   Nov-07-09 07:53 PM   #18 
  - +1  Nostradammit   Nov-08-09 12:39 AM   #36 
  - Tell me have you ever bothered to even READ anything of Dawkins?  TZ   Nov-09-09 09:36 AM   #73 
  - Fuck Dawkins and I did not say ...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-07-09 07:52 PM   #17 
     - "religion is simply philosophy with the addition of a deity"  ZombieHorde   Nov-07-09 08:02 PM   #20 
     - Actually, the concept of deaity is basic to the...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-07-09 11:32 PM   #30 
     - And why so much venom?  darkstar3   Nov-07-09 08:06 PM   #22 
        - I don't have too many problems with Dawkins, but I'm getting...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-07-09 11:42 PM   #31 
           - *sigh*  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 12:16 AM   #33 
              - You said...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-08-09 04:23 PM   #60 
  - Why would a religious opinion be taken into consideration when making laws?  rd_kent   Nov-07-09 07:35 PM   #12 
     - "One does not need religion to be moral and have ethics." Bingo!!!  BrklynLiberal   Nov-07-09 07:48 PM   #16 
     - But you must have some basis for the mores of a society, and...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-07-09 08:10 PM   #23 
     - Our morals and ethics come from what we feel, as a society, is acceptable.  rd_kent   Nov-07-09 09:24 PM   #25 
        - Religion has no place in the discussion of...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-07-09 11:28 PM   #29 
           - There is a difference between discussion and government.  darkstar3   Nov-08-09 12:25 AM   #34 
           - Not when we are talking about those subjects in the LEGAL sense, it doesn't.  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 02:17 AM   #39 
     - Why shouldn't it is the better question. We have...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-08-09 06:44 AM   #42 
        - Your logic is flawed...  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 10:58 AM   #47 
           - your problem is that you have some obessession for...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-08-09 04:14 PM   #59 
              - SO you choose not to answer the question?  rd_kent   Nov-09-09 08:30 PM   #86 
                 - No, I don't agree. You have no argument. Now claim that I am...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-09-09 11:00 PM   #87 
                    - No worries, It is not my job to ensure you are not ignorant.  rd_kent   Nov-10-09 11:09 AM   #90 
  - Religion IS a form of government  darkstar3   Nov-07-09 07:33 PM   #10 
  - Absolutely Correct!!! Religion has no place in our government! n/t  RKP5637   Nov-07-09 08:03 PM   #21 
  - NO.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-07-09 07:37 PM   #13 
  - And which one... I believe there are something like 1600 religions and most  RKP5637   Nov-07-09 08:01 PM   #19 
  - Other than creationism, the other topics you mentioned have nonreligious opponents.  rug   Nov-07-09 10:47 PM   #26 
  - Name for me please three nationally known non-religious opponents  darkstar3   Nov-07-09 11:01 PM   #28 
  - I don't know any but  Meshuga   Nov-08-09 10:46 AM   #46 
  - What are the non-religious arguments on those subjects then?  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 02:19 AM   #40 
     - Re abortion, start here:  rug   Nov-08-09 06:38 AM   #41 
        - I asked for YOUR arguments, rug.  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 11:00 AM   #48 
           - Read the post again. I didn't say I was making the argument.  rug   Nov-08-09 01:50 PM   #50 
              - My post #40 CLEARLY asks for it.  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 02:04 PM   #53 
                 - Not to be pedantic, but the question is in the third person, not the second.  rug   Nov-08-09 02:14 PM   #55 
                    - Oh for fucks sake, rug.  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 02:54 PM   #57 
  - Of course religion has a place in government discussion.  Jim__   Nov-08-09 07:32 AM   #43 
  - Thats a good answer, but it is dodging the OP.  rd_kent   Nov-08-09 11:03 AM   #49 
     - You seem to be dodging your own question.  Jim__   Nov-09-09 07:21 AM   #72 
        - OK, you got me.  rd_kent   Nov-09-09 09:46 AM   #75 
           - What place does religion have ... when making laws and why?  Jim__   Nov-09-09 10:18 AM   #77 
              - Ok, no need to get too specific.  rd_kent   Nov-09-09 10:48 AM   #78 
                 - If we don't ban religious discussion from governmental discussion ...  Jim__   Nov-09-09 11:07 AM   #79 
                    - Jim, were talking about the public discourse and making laws here  rd_kent   Nov-09-09 12:31 PM   #81 
                       - It's the same thing.  Jim__   Nov-09-09 01:32 PM   #82 
  - It does now...  Meshuga   Nov-08-09 10:03 AM   #45 
  - Ahh, but thats my point!  rd_kent   Nov-09-09 09:50 AM   #76 
     - Correct  Meshuga   Nov-09-09 11:59 AM   #80 
  - No.  Deep13   Nov-09-09 03:14 PM   #83 
  - As these notable Revolutionaries and Founders didn't think so....  DeSwiss   Nov-09-09 05:14 PM   #84 
  - No.  Iggo   Nov-09-09 11:24 PM   #88 
  - No.  ChadwickHenryWard   Nov-10-09 02:23 PM   #91 

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