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Reply #15: It doesn't seem that there is only one core teaching, or even that [View All]

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15. It doesn't seem that there is only one core teaching, or even that
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 09:35 PM by saltpoint
there is all that much teaching at all. Christianity is less pedagogy than it is resonant myth, and I mean 'myth' in its most gleaming definition.

Paul's letters are teacherly, sort of, but they are not resonant with all readers, including readers who like the ministry of Jesus better than Paul's more authoritarian social doctrines. There is a lot of pure politics in Paul. There is unfathomable mystery to the figure of Jesus.

There remains the problem of interpolation over many centuries by people with varying agendas. The version in the canonized Bible now may or may not have been the "books" used by the Christian communities of the century of and century following the life of Jesus. There are passages of significant beauty and of garbled nonsense as well.

And not least, we cannot say with certainty that the Jesus referenced in these texts is an actual person. We are told that that is the case, but it is quite another matter to say we clinically 'know' it to be the case.

Lincoln was at Gettysburg; we have photos and an address written in his hand. No such record is extant regarding the life of Jesus. There is the long trail of awed comment on his ministry, there are those imbued to help others banking off his model -- and they seem to me to be genuine in their impulse to do good -- and of course there are the unstable and insecure nutbags who warn us of "witches praying over Hallowe'en candy." Jesus, if he was a real person, was likely a Jew.

As it's given to us, the gospels in varying degrees of detail and emphasis, suggest a man in his very early 30s who pointedly and often cleverly distrusts the local authorities of the realm in a time when the Roman Republic had become the Roman Empire and individual freedoms and dignities were hard-won things, and damned rare. We see an intelligent, charismatic figure emerge from (evidently) Galilee, we get the boats and the water and the anglers, we get a strikingly vivid woman in the Magdalene, we get another woman rescued from a hole and stones and certain death, we get the sick and the afflicted healed, we get a maniacal king threatened by a baby in a humble manager, we get a very well-placed donkey for the final number into town, and two thousand years of redemptive blood.

Sincere spirit in a world of warfare and poverty appear to register more deeply than corrupt application of power and conquest by remote tyranny. The frail and the unlistened-to are raised higher in esteem and given citizenship in a broader communion. Forgiveness appears to take precedence over condemnation. The truth itself is suggested to be in faraway desert caves or in any case well out of town, and certainly involves express nonalignment with organized temples, churches, etc.

Paradox is also a theme, as even though uplift and belongedness inspire individual and community change and maybe world peace, efforts toward those goals are met with violent resistance.

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  What is the core teaching of Christianity? MineralMan  Nov-02-09 08:19 PM   #0 
   Those guys seem to be all over the place. n/t  Mojambo   Nov-02-09 08:21 PM   #1 
   F thy neighbor as Dick Cheney would have Patrick Leahy F himself?  Laelth   Nov-02-09 08:23 PM   #2 
   Last time I asked,  darkstar3   Nov-02-09 08:24 PM   #3 
   The Christian myth is supposed to teach  Sinti   Nov-02-09 08:24 PM   #4 
   Depends on the Christian. You could theoretically be a Christian Atheist  Taverner   Nov-02-09 08:25 PM   #5 
   There's a novel thought. A Christian Atheist...hmm...  MineralMan   Nov-02-09 08:54 PM   #11 
   Check out Matthew  baldguy   Nov-02-09 08:28 PM   #6 
   You think Matthew is the core of Christianity?  MineralMan   Nov-02-09 08:30 PM   #7 
      Bingo.  baldguy   Nov-02-09 08:35 PM   #10 
         +1 yep nt  rrneck   Nov-02-09 09:43 PM   #16 
   The 5th chapter of Matthew (aka the Sermon on the Mount) pretty well sums it up  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-02-09 08:32 PM   #8 
   That is the corner stone of Christianity.  demosincebirth   Nov-02-09 09:01 PM   #12 
   Do you believe your quote is literal or not literal and why? nt  ZombieHorde   Nov-02-09 10:09 PM   #17 
   Christianity = My Way or No Way! n/t  RKP5637   Nov-02-09 08:32 PM   #9 
   Humans represent our best guess about the image of G-d, whom we have never seen, and therefore  struggle4progress   Nov-02-09 09:05 PM   #13 
   That mankind will be redeemed to live a perfect life on earth forever.  Democrats_win   Nov-02-09 09:10 PM   #14 
   It doesn't seem that there is only one core teaching, or even that  saltpoint   Nov-02-09 09:28 PM   #15 
   Jesus Christ became Man, Died for our Sins, Resurrected into Heaven  OHdem10   Nov-02-09 10:25 PM   #18 
   No One But You, Sir, Has Come Even Close....  The Magistrate   Nov-02-09 11:35 PM   #21 
   And in the meantime neglect an incomplete teaching that festers  gtar100   Nov-03-09 02:34 AM   #22 
   Sure he will.  Deep13   Nov-03-09 09:58 AM   #23 
   The "all of the above" option covers your answer. n/t  Meshuga   Nov-03-09 11:08 AM   #24 
   narcissism  undergroundpanther   Nov-02-09 10:43 PM   #19 
   Love, humility, and forgiveness. n/t  More Than A Feeling   Nov-02-09 11:13 PM   #20 
   Core Teaching: Do unto others..... Core Action: DO as I say not as I do....  rd_kent   Nov-03-09 11:31 AM   #25 
      That's not true of every Christian  darkstar3   Nov-03-09 02:45 PM   #26 
 

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