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41. How do you determine which passages are literal and which are not?
Which, if any, of the following passages are meant to be interpreted literally? How do you know this?
From Judges 11
30And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, 31Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

32So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands. 33And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

34And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 35And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back. 36And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. 38And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, 40That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

Matthew 1
1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham
2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;
11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:
12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. 18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

From Exodus 20
1And God spake all these words, saying, 2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

And from Exodus 34
14For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: 15Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice; 16And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
17Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
18The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
19All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. 20But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
21Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
22And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
23Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel. 24For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
25Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
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  -On Biblical literalism Sal316  Oct-29-09 04:18 PM   #0 
  - boy, that's a lot of generalization and stereotyping of how Atheists think  wtbymark   Oct-29-09 04:29 PM   #1 
  - Read the threads here...  Sal316   Oct-29-09 04:32 PM   #2 
  - If there's a "deeper understanding" behind religious texts, I've yet to hear it.  stopbush   Oct-29-09 04:33 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-09 10:38 PM   #25 
  - If I were to venture a guess.  gooey   Nov-02-09 04:04 AM   #179 
  - Cute, Sir, But No Cigar....  The Magistrate   Oct-29-09 04:49 PM   #4 
  - Scalia and Thomas would agree with you.  rug   Oct-29-09 06:56 PM   #7 
  - Exactly! +10  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 07:10 PM   #9 
  - If that's what you got from what I said.  Sal316   Oct-29-09 08:30 PM   #11 
  - Oh, it's all three AT ONCE, is it?  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 08:32 PM   #12 
  - My Simplicity Of Mind, Sir, Is Legend....  The Magistrate   Oct-29-09 09:44 PM   #16 
     - To the contrary, centuries of biblical scholarship has attempted to ferret out the meaning  rug   Oct-29-09 10:04 PM   #19 
        - Let Us Not Mix Apples And Oranges, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-29-09 10:26 PM   #21 
           - What you have determined is that the book has no theological value and, by extension,  rug   Oct-29-09 10:34 PM   #23 
              - That's not what he said at all.  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 10:36 PM   #24 
              - Trust me, the Magistrate has little need for your advocacy, Meg.  rug   Oct-29-09 10:48 PM   #27 
                 - True,  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 10:50 PM   #29 
                    - Actually, it is.  rug   Oct-29-09 10:53 PM   #31 
                       - Aww,  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 10:54 PM   #32 
                          - I don't know how old you are but I do know how tedious you are. That is sufficient.  rug   Oct-29-09 11:06 PM   #34 
                             - mmmhmm,  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 11:12 PM   #35 
                                - Bye, Orly.  rug   Oct-29-09 11:18 PM   #36 
              - That Theology Has No Value, Sir, Is Axiomatic  The Magistrate   Oct-29-09 10:50 PM   #28 
                 - Now you have moved to the fruit stand.  rug   Oct-29-09 11:04 PM   #33 
                    - One Must Accept, Sir, That The Divine Exists, And Can Be Known, To Engage In Theology  The Magistrate   Oct-29-09 11:32 PM   #37 
                       - If God cannot be known or demonstrated then it cannot be the conclusion of an inquiry.  rug   Oct-30-09 12:00 AM   #38 
                          - Christian Theologians, Sir, Will say That On Occasion, But It Is Only Lip Service  The Magistrate   Oct-30-09 12:18 AM   #39 
                             - There is not a single theologian who holds that God can be comprehended fully.  rug   Oct-30-09 08:27 AM   #44 
                                - "The likeness is far greater than the difference."  trotsky   Oct-30-09 02:25 PM   #64 
                                   - Perhaps I could.  rug   Oct-30-09 06:08 PM   #90 
                                      - I'm surprised you managed to spell intellectual prowess,  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 06:54 PM   #101 
                                      - You know, darkstar, given you've stopped so many, I'm glad that adage is true.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:00 PM   #107 
                                         - Again your attempted insult makes no sense. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:02 PM   #108 
                                            - It is truly difficult to insult a dolt and have the dolt realize it.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:06 PM   #112 
                                               - Especially when you can't use proper sentence structure. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:14 PM   #118 
                                               - Hmmm, that clause looks rather forlorn.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:15 PM   #121 
                                               - A concept with which you must be intimately familiar,  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:16 PM   #123 
                                               - I know. My five children won't give me any of their time.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:19 PM   #128 
                                               - If I believed you had spawned, I wouldn't blame them.  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:21 PM   #130 
                                               - A subject on which you must have vast experience.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:22 PM   #131 
                                               - As a matter of fact,  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:23 PM   #134 
                                               - Lol, you discuss dental surgery with friends who love to discuss dental surgery?  rug   Oct-30-09 07:28 PM   #139 
                                               - What's clear?  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:31 PM   #143 
                                               - For one thing, your writing style.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:36 PM   #149 
                                               - That's just those under-used neurons  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:38 PM   #152 
                                               - Just take care of those under-used neurons, you'll likely need every last one of them.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:51 PM   #157 
                                      - The king of the lame one-liners gets upset when someone does it to him?  trotsky   Oct-30-09 07:26 PM   #136 
                                         - As always, the bullies can dish out, but they can't take any of their own medicine.  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:28 PM   #138 
                                         - Yup.  trotsky   Oct-30-09 07:32 PM   #144 
                                            - .  rug   Oct-30-09 07:33 PM   #146 
                                               - And once again, the atheist's questions are far too difficult for the believer.  trotsky   Oct-30-09 07:37 PM   #150 
                                               - Oh, but check #142.  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:40 PM   #153 
                                               - Yes, you insight is too original and devastating for deluded stupid believers.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:44 PM   #154 
                                         - I'll spare you the couple of days.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:31 PM   #142 
  - I would shoot a bit wider.  rrneck   Oct-29-09 09:50 PM   #17 
     - A Reasonable View, Sir  The Magistrate   Oct-29-09 09:59 PM   #18 
        - True indeed.  rrneck   Oct-29-09 10:10 PM   #20 
  - And where exactly does this "deeper understanding" come from?  skepticscott   Oct-29-09 05:28 PM   #5 
  - The religionists are just flailing at this point.  stopbush   Oct-29-09 06:37 PM   #6 
  - Point well made.  rug   Oct-29-09 06:57 PM   #8 
  - What gives you the right,  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 07:44 PM   #10 
  - You start off with the wrong premise...  Sal316   Oct-29-09 10:32 PM   #22 
  - Ad hom,  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 10:38 PM   #26 
  - I honestly don't understand the charge that the liberal religious enable literalists  Meshuga   Oct-30-09 07:59 AM   #43 
     - What's not to understand?  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 08:58 AM   #45 
        - It is not a matter of reclaiming anything  Meshuga   Oct-30-09 10:02 AM   #46 
           - ...  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 10:35 AM   #48 
              - The only way to know what a liberal Christian is about is by getting to know them  Meshuga   Oct-30-09 11:37 AM   #50 
                 - If it is a poor explanation,  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 12:01 PM   #52 
                    - I think you make that point perfectly.  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 01:43 PM   #56 
                    - This may surprise you,  Leontius   Oct-30-09 01:55 PM   #58 
                       - So what?  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 02:09 PM   #62 
                       - And that is true in the places I have lived  Meshuga   Oct-30-09 03:21 PM   #72 
                          - Maybe we've both just been lucky  Leontius   Oct-30-09 03:49 PM   #78 
                    - The analogy does not insult me at all  Meshuga   Oct-30-09 03:01 PM   #68 
                       - .  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 03:24 PM   #74 
                          - Agree and disagree (about the flamesuit)  Meshuga   Oct-30-09 06:24 PM   #91 
  - Aw man, who turned over the rock you hide under?  trotsky   Oct-29-09 08:50 PM   #13 
  - Hmph,  darkstar3   Oct-29-09 09:08 PM   #14 
  - Don't get down on yourself, man.  trotsky   Oct-29-09 09:23 PM   #15 
  - You might want to unclench...  Sal316   Oct-29-09 10:52 PM   #30 
  - I missed that post.  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 01:17 AM   #40 
  - You won't get an answer  EvolveOrConvolve   Oct-30-09 01:06 PM   #53 
  - You're really not fooling anyone, you know.  trotsky   Oct-30-09 06:49 AM   #42 
  - SAL316, seriously, I would like to know.  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 01:47 PM   #57 
     - I'll try to answer best I can.  Sal316   Oct-30-09 03:16 PM   #71 
        - SAL, I appreciate your response, but I find it to be wrong.  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 03:30 PM   #75 
        - Thx for the reasonable debate...  Sal316   Oct-30-09 07:05 PM   #109 
           - Bu tyou did not answer my question.  rd_kent   Oct-31-09 10:49 AM   #173 
        - The claim you're making here  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 03:44 PM   #76 
        - Damn, you sure that hole is *only* Optimus Prime sized?  trotsky   Oct-30-09 04:40 PM   #82 
        - Thank you, again, trotsky.  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 04:46 PM   #83 
        - No, that's not my claim.  Sal316   Oct-30-09 08:44 PM   #161 
           - 'Quite honestly, one wonders where you come up with these statements.'  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 10:17 PM   #164 
           - "Does that mean the average joe is incapable of understanding scripture?"  trotsky   Oct-31-09 08:56 AM   #170 
        - Re: Camel/ eye of the needle  stopbush   Oct-30-09 09:28 PM   #163 
  - So could you explain how  Leontius   Oct-30-09 01:34 PM   #55 
     - No, I can't explain how to address your strawman.  trotsky   Oct-30-09 01:59 PM   #60 
  - How do you determine which passages are literal and which are not?  laconicsax   Oct-30-09 02:31 AM   #41 
  - I asked the same question before I saw your post.  ZombieHorde   Oct-30-09 02:15 PM   #63 
     - It's been stirring in my mind as an OP for months.  laconicsax   Oct-30-09 03:24 PM   #73 
  - Do you consider this literal- what do these words mean exactly?  Amaya   Oct-30-09 10:12 AM   #47 
  - Read literally, sure it validates bigotry.  Sal316   Oct-30-09 03:44 PM   #77 
     - But don't you see, that YOUR interpretation? Why is YOURS right and anothers wrong?  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 03:51 PM   #79 
     - 'if one reads it properly'  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 03:59 PM   #81 
     - You Do Understand, Sir, What Low-Grade Stuff This Is You Are Peddling?  The Magistrate   Oct-30-09 05:09 PM   #85 
        - Context matters, sir.  Sal316   Oct-30-09 09:02 PM   #162 
           - Serious As a Heart Attack, Sir....  The Magistrate   Oct-30-09 11:39 PM   #166 
  - I've always found remarkable the claim  ChadwickHenryWard   Oct-30-09 11:06 AM   #49 
  - Atheists, by definition, do not believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 11:48 AM   #51 
  - Stupidity is relative.  rug   Oct-30-09 01:23 PM   #54 
     - Leave your family out of this. n/t  trotsky   Oct-30-09 02:03 PM   #61 
     - Oooh, don't hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel! n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 02:43 PM   #65 
     - As soon as I get out of your mother.  rug   Oct-30-09 06:02 PM   #88 
        - That doesn't even make sense!  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 06:43 PM   #93 
           - Are you responding to #88 or #61?  rug   Oct-30-09 06:49 PM   #97 
              - There's that lack of reading comprehension again. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 06:50 PM   #98 
                 - There's that lack of basic comprehension again.  rug   Oct-30-09 06:56 PM   #103 
                    - Aww, he doesn't know what 'comprehension' means, how precious... n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 06:58 PM   #105 
                       - Are you ever embarassed by what you post?  rug   Oct-30-09 07:07 PM   #113 
                          - I would ask you the same question, but I don't think you can feel shame. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:11 PM   #116 
                             - Maybe not, but I would be mortified to type "awww" as a form of sarcasm.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:14 PM   #119 
                                - I would be mortified to know anyone personally who used the phrase 'your mother' as an insult. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:17 PM   #125 
                                   - How do you feel about "Leave your family out of it?"  rug   Oct-30-09 07:20 PM   #129 
                                      - Sure it was insulting, but so was the post it was in reply to,  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:22 PM   #132 
                                         - Oh, the subthread itself began with an insult.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:26 PM   #137 
                                            - Perhaps,  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:30 PM   #141 
     - As evidenced by your post......stupidity ABOUNDS!  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 03:52 PM   #80 
     - Where's your evidence?  rug   Oct-30-09 06:04 PM   #89 
        - Are you THAT stupid? The stupidity is self evident.  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 06:37 PM   #92 
           - I require more proof than your assertion it is self-evident.  rug   Oct-30-09 06:43 PM   #94 
              - Only because your reading level is so low  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 06:45 PM   #95 
              - Oh there you are with those people in your head again.  rug   Oct-30-09 06:47 PM   #96 
                 - Deliberately stupid wordplay doesn't impress me.  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 06:52 PM   #99 
                    - I doubt any wordplay impresses you.  rug   Oct-30-09 06:55 PM   #102 
                       - Something tells me that I'll be here long after you're gone. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 06:57 PM   #104 
                          - Are you sure it's not your own self-serving interpretation of what it is telling you?  rug   Oct-30-09 07:05 PM   #110 
                             - No, because what I'm referring to is your recent inflammatory and dickish history.  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:11 PM   #114 
                                - Sorry to disabuse you, but replying to your inanities does not constutute history.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:12 PM   #117 
                                   - Ah, yes, because 'your mother' was a reply to me in any way.  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:15 PM   #120 
                                      - Not to insult your reading comprehension, but that post was to another open minded poster.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:17 PM   #124 
                                         - You can't insult my reading comprehension when you don't understand what the phrase means.  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:19 PM   #127 
                                            - Oh? Resorting to caps? Tsk.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:23 PM   #133 
                                               - I only thought it might help get the point into that walnut inside your skull. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:24 PM   #135 
                                               - Thank you. It's been very difficult to follow.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:32 PM   #145 
                                               - Color me unsurprised. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-30-09 07:33 PM   #147 
              - The proof in in your posts....or the mirror....whichever you like.  rd_kent   Oct-31-09 10:38 AM   #171 
                 - I see. It's an opinion.  rug   Oct-31-09 10:42 AM   #172 
                    - Whatever, rug. It doesnt matter, as you pull the "rug" out from under your posts yourself.  rd_kent   Oct-31-09 10:54 AM   #174 
                       - Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.  rug   Oct-31-09 07:18 PM   #178 
     - Sometimes.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 06:52 PM   #100 
        - Sometimes  rug   Oct-30-09 06:58 PM   #106 
           - Do you disagree?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 07:05 PM   #111 
              - I do.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:11 PM   #115 
                 - Of course I don't.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 07:16 PM   #122 
                    - Therefore, the bible is not asserting as literal truth that the number of pi is 3.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:18 PM   #126 
                       - Oh, it is.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 07:29 PM   #140 
                          - Didn't say it was infallible on math.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:35 PM   #148 
                             - Explain the execution for gays part.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 07:38 PM   #151 
                                - Answer my question first.  rug   Oct-30-09 07:46 PM   #155 
                                   - Why is it meant to be read literally?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 07:47 PM   #156 
                                      - Your question was answered by another in #77.  rug   Oct-30-09 08:02 PM   #158 
                                         - No, it wasn't.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 08:11 PM   #159 
                                            - To be more precise, you believe in no God, Christian or otherwise.  rug   Oct-30-09 08:42 PM   #160 
                                               - I believe any scripture calling for the execution of gays to be stupid.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Oct-30-09 10:30 PM   #165 
                                                  - Does it?  rug   Oct-31-09 07:06 AM   #168 
  - How does one decide what to take as literal, and what to take as not literal?  ZombieHorde   Oct-30-09 01:56 PM   #59 
  - Try reading Origen he explains the exegetical process in I think his work  Leontius   Oct-30-09 02:58 PM   #67 
     - If you read Origen, you should be able to tell me, if you can not tell me after reading it,  ZombieHorde   Oct-30-09 03:13 PM   #70 
        - Everybody wants the Cliff Notes, nobody ever wants to read the damn book  Leontius   Oct-30-09 04:55 PM   #84 
           - I think the point is..why does one have to read book B to understand book A?  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 05:22 PM   #86 
           - I am a full time collage student with two kids. I don't have time to read non school books.  ZombieHorde   Oct-30-09 05:25 PM   #87 
              - Understand time constraints in such a situation  Leontius   Oct-31-09 07:24 AM   #169 
                 - Its only "christian babble" if thats what you make it.  rd_kent   Oct-31-09 01:19 PM   #176 
                 - I will consider your post, but I can not promise to agree with it.  ZombieHorde   Oct-31-09 05:14 PM   #177 
  - SAL316, this is directed right at you. A non-response will be taken as assurance I am correct.  rd_kent   Oct-30-09 02:52 PM   #66 
  - A direct answer? Hah!  Silent3   Oct-30-09 03:12 PM   #69 
  - Nov 2, 2009, 1554hrs ... I even missed "trick-or-treating" just waiting for an answer.  Lost-in-FL   Nov-02-09 02:54 PM   #182 
  - : popcorn :  GrilledCheeses   Oct-31-09 12:01 AM   #167 
  - So, we shouldn't take as literal that Jesus was the son of god, that he died  stopbush   Oct-31-09 01:10 PM   #175 
  - Science and God cannot be compared.  gooey   Nov-02-09 04:10 AM   #180 
     - Science is not an explanation of the effect.  darkstar3   Nov-02-09 11:09 AM   #181 
     - I'll concede to that.  gooey   Nov-02-09 08:24 PM   #184 
        - Yeah, that sounds a lot like NOM.  darkstar3   Nov-02-09 08:27 PM   #185 
           - I read that whole article and he never explained what  gooey   Nov-03-09 02:46 AM   #186 
              - you say potato...n/t  darkstar3   Nov-03-09 02:17 PM   #187 
     - Religion consistently gets it wrong then makes excuses.  laconicsax   Nov-02-09 03:18 PM   #183 

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