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4. From time to time we hear Christians claim that they are being
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 07:09 PM by jemelanson
persecuted, unless all of those folks stand up and defend these children, then they forfeit any claim they have to being persecuted in my book. Those who attend any Church which professes to be Christian, they need to bring this story to their ministers and their church leaders. This needs to be talked about, it needs to be discussed and the people who to profess to be Christian need to stand up to those who claim to be Christian and do Something to protect these children who are being tortured and killed in the name of Christianity. Many of the main stream Christian Churches support missionary work in Africa. There needs pressure brought on the government in Nigeria, and through the missionaries in the field to put a stop to these practices.

This is a stain on every person who professes to be a Christian. How you deal with this speaks to your beliefs and your character. Remember the WW JD bumper stickers. It is time to ask yourself What would Jesus do to those who commit these crimes against children, and to those who stand aside and allow them to commit those crimes and do nothing to stop them?

I will stop my rant for now. Think on these things.

MSNBC has picked up the story now. I hope it gets lots of coverage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33356826/ns/world_news-afri... //

African churches denounce children as ‘witches’
Pastors accuse thousands of children, leading to torture or death

The following is a quote from one of the children:

"Please stop the pastors who hurt us," said Jerry quietly, touching the scars on his face. "I believe in God and God knows I am not a witch."
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  Nigerian Children Deemed Witches Tortured jemelanson  Oct-17-09 03:21 PM   #0 
   DU Christians - take a look at this child's face  Taverner   Oct-17-09 03:28 PM   #1 
   +about a million  FiveGoodMen   Oct-17-09 03:32 PM   #2 
   +1  DeSwiss   Oct-17-09 04:11 PM   #3 
   From time to time we hear Christians claim that they are being  jemelanson   Oct-17-09 06:38 PM   #4 
   what do you really know about the Nigerian religious divide?  kwassa   Oct-17-09 10:38 PM   #8 
   Why do you try to change to subject?  jemelanson   Oct-17-09 11:54 PM   #10 
   But the sky God COMMANDS people to kill witches  hokies   Oct-19-09 12:27 PM   #54 
   Yes  Dorian Gray   Oct-20-09 06:12 AM   #90 
   In decades of church-going, I've never heard a sermon about witchcraft; I've never heard  struggle4progress   Oct-17-09 07:36 PM   #5 
   So are you saying that because it did not happen at you local  jemelanson   Oct-17-09 09:44 PM   #6 
   I will go through this very slowly, using smalls words. I replied to: "That is Christianity ...  struggle4progress   Oct-18-09 10:24 AM   #14 
      You may consider the torture and murder of children in the name  jemelanson   Oct-18-09 01:30 PM   #16 
         Anyone interested, in what I actually said, can read what I wrote. Perhaps simpler grammar would  struggle4progress   Oct-18-09 02:32 PM   #17 
            Seems you have a problem with reading comprehension also  jemelanson   Oct-18-09 03:38 PM   #21 
   Well, a commandment to kill witches is in the Bible  hokies   Oct-19-09 12:23 PM   #53 
   So, DU Christians are responsible?  Sal316   Oct-18-09 06:24 PM   #25 
   Thanks for the warning!  Meshuga   Oct-19-09 08:07 AM   #47 
   Sorry....  Dorian Gray   Oct-20-09 06:10 AM   #89 
      I see more people denouncing these people's ties to Christianity than denouncing their actions  Chulanowa   Oct-21-09 04:01 PM   #148 
   Religion. Is. Evil.  Odin2005   Oct-17-09 10:02 PM   #7 
   How. Knee. Jerk. eom  Sal316   Oct-18-09 06:25 PM   #26 
   Here is more background on Nigeria's religious conflicts.  kwassa   Oct-17-09 11:15 PM   #9 
   What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  darkstar3   Oct-18-09 12:50 AM   #11 
      Because every time Christians see their religion doing something they can't excuse...  Chulanowa   Oct-18-09 03:09 PM   #18 
      Let me say, first, that I have never myself heard it preached in any church that pouring acid  struggle4progress   Oct-18-09 06:56 PM   #27 
      See below three different articles all saying that this was done in  jemelanson   Oct-18-09 08:21 PM   #29 
      The critical issue for your analysis, and the one you fail to address, is this: if the  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 01:19 AM   #37 
         What you fail to comprehend is that this was done in the  jemelanson   Oct-19-09 02:20 AM   #39 
         Let us try again: first the facts, then the analysis. What is happening in Akwa-Ibom?  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 02:58 AM   #42 
            See #34. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-19-09 12:12 PM   #52 
               Translation: a detailed consideration of the facts on the ground does not interest you  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 01:19 PM   #63 
                  A detailed consideration is unnecessary in this case,  darkstar3   Oct-19-09 01:50 PM   #68 
         The problem you miss is that this has happened before  darkstar3   Oct-19-09 12:06 PM   #50 
         A scientific examination of problems in Nigeria would begin with conditions and events there, not  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 01:03 PM   #60 
            There's nothing new here!  darkstar3   Oct-19-09 01:47 PM   #66 
               if they had turned to Buddhism, they would have killed the kid anyway.  yodermon   Oct-19-09 07:08 PM   #73 
                  Yeah, I have to disagree  darkstar3   Oct-19-09 07:39 PM   #75 
                     history is replete with examples of infanticide & child sacrifice. No xianity required.  yodermon   Oct-19-09 11:53 PM   #80 
                        "Hello, I'd like to have an argument please."  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 12:04 AM   #83 
                        You're missing the point  Chulanowa   Oct-21-09 03:50 PM   #147 
         Secular law in more developed countries is what has prevented these types of things  rd_kent   Oct-19-09 12:44 PM   #59 
      Good for you.  Chulanowa   Oct-18-09 10:56 PM   #31 
         Your wild stab is close to the truth.  jemelanson   Oct-19-09 12:21 AM   #36 
         It is, of course, true that people can (and often do) justify their bad behaviors by lofty appeals:  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 01:57 AM   #38 
            The thing is, it's not made up out of thin air  Chulanowa   Oct-19-09 04:05 AM   #44 
            That book tells you a lot of stuff that reasonable people  jemelanson   Oct-19-09 05:23 AM   #45 
               I'm aware  Chulanowa   Oct-19-09 06:48 PM   #71 
                  I know what your mean.  jemelanson   Oct-19-09 07:06 PM   #72 
            delete - wrong place  darkstar3   Oct-19-09 12:11 PM   #51 
      and who is doing that?  kwassa   Oct-18-09 11:10 PM   #32 
         You are  Chulanowa   Oct-19-09 07:37 PM   #74 
            just to spell it out for you  kwassa   Oct-19-09 11:55 PM   #81 
               'Who is more accurately Christian, and which belief is more representative of Christianity?'  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 12:06 AM   #84 
               Only in your opinion.  kwassa   Oct-20-09 10:22 AM   #93 
                  I suggest you read up on the fallacy before you call it misapplied,  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 10:31 AM   #94 
                     uh, no.  kwassa   Oct-20-09 02:48 PM   #100 
                        but is simply one of many definitions of what constitutes a Christian.  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 04:50 PM   #111 
                           You don't understand the fallacy.  kwassa   Oct-20-09 10:09 PM   #126 
                              Is that all you have? Projection? Now you bore me.  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 10:25 PM   #127 
               Is that a rhetorical question?  Chulanowa   Oct-21-09 02:18 AM   #142 
      A faith-based initiative? It is, but not of Christian origin.  kwassa   Oct-18-09 11:24 PM   #33 
         While it is true that a belief in witchcraft predates Christianity,  darkstar3   Oct-18-09 11:37 PM   #34 
            It has to be viewed in context. It doesn't begin and end with Christianity.  kwassa   Oct-19-09 11:30 PM   #78 
            Christians believe in witches too.  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 12:00 AM   #82 
               Very few Christians worldwide believe in witches.  kwassa   Oct-20-09 03:08 PM   #101 
                  Yes, he could have fallen victim to one of the indigenous African beliefs in  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-20-09 03:18 PM   #104 
                  But do they put sugar on their porridge? n/t  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 05:28 PM   #113 
            This is not any kind of mainstream Christianity  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-20-09 03:14 PM   #103 
               Does this mean you are denying their Christianity? n/t  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 04:56 PM   #112 
                  Yes, they're syncretists  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-20-09 11:24 PM   #129 
                     So who IS Christian? n/t  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 11:36 PM   #131 
                        Someone who actually tries to follow the teachings of Jesus  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-20-09 11:40 PM   #133 
                           You've made some broad statements here.  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 11:54 PM   #135 
                              The Sermon on the Mount is a good start  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-09 12:22 AM   #137 
                                 So who picks what is right and what to ignore? n/t  darkstar3   Oct-21-09 12:42 AM   #138 
                                    The stuff that is internally consistent, as with any set of writings  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-09 01:06 AM   #139 
                                       I haven't found anything that was internally consistent yet.  darkstar3   Oct-21-09 06:55 PM   #151 
   If I am wrong and there IS a god and he passes judgement, I know I am WAAYYY down on the list  rd_kent   Oct-18-09 02:58 AM   #12 
   Of course there are  Dorian Gray   Oct-20-09 06:25 AM   #91 
   Nothing new here. The Christian chruch has burned witches for..  Ozymanithrax   Oct-18-09 03:00 AM   #13 
   Nah, the "burning times" are a myth  Chulanowa   Oct-18-09 03:15 PM   #19 
      And some say the Bible is all myth.  jemelanson   Oct-18-09 03:43 PM   #22 
      Maybe you should read my post and not just the title?  Chulanowa   Oct-18-09 03:47 PM   #23 
      You are right. I was merely pointing out that Christians have murdered other people...  Ozymanithrax   Oct-18-09 07:02 PM   #28 
   It is my considered opinion, that Christians DO NOT risk denouncing.....  DeSwiss   Oct-18-09 12:57 PM   #15 
   Are any churches in your neighborhood advocating pouring acid down children's throats?  struggle4progress   Oct-18-09 03:22 PM   #20 
   you are not killing witches because your religion's power  tiny elvis   Oct-19-09 03:16 AM   #43 
   I'm not killing witches because I do not believe in witchcraft and I do not believe in violence  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 12:04 PM   #49 
      Perhaps instead of saying "well, me and MY church are not doing this" you should get proactive  rd_kent   Oct-19-09 12:39 PM   #57 
      I shall defer to your self-righteousness and will allow you to explain your understanding  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 01:17 PM   #62 
         self-righteousness? Im not a xtian, no one is killing people under the banner of non-belief of god  rd_kent   Oct-19-09 01:49 PM   #67 
            Actually, it rests on the shoulders of all human beings, not just Christians.  kwassa   Oct-19-09 11:39 PM   #79 
            There is no discussion to walk into.  rd_kent   Oct-20-09 11:35 AM   #95 
               You create false parameters.  kwassa   Oct-20-09 04:39 PM   #109 
                  Clearly?!  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 05:56 PM   #119 
                     You mistake persistence for an argument.  kwassa   Oct-20-09 10:07 PM   #125 
            So as a human being  Dorian Gray   Oct-20-09 06:28 AM   #92 
               No, not what I am sayiong at all.  rd_kent   Oct-20-09 11:37 AM   #96 
                  Okay...  Dorian Gray   Oct-20-09 12:47 PM   #98 
                     We will just have to disagree.  rd_kent   Oct-20-09 02:04 PM   #99 
                        I don't think that we'll see that in our lifetime  Dorian Gray   Oct-20-09 03:24 PM   #105 
      can you not recall?  tiny elvis   Oct-19-09 08:00 PM   #76 
         The links you provide contain no actual references to witchcraft allegations in daycares but  struggle4progress   Oct-20-09 12:48 AM   #85 
            yes they do  tiny elvis   Oct-20-09 01:32 AM   #86 
            do you really not recall the allegations of satanic rituals even now?  tiny elvis   Oct-20-09 02:22 AM   #88 
               Your 2nd and 3rd links in #76 contain neither references to witchcraft nor to satanic rituals. Your  struggle4progress   Oct-20-09 12:38 PM   #97 
                  made you look  tiny elvis   Oct-20-09 04:38 PM   #108 
                  oops. assumed i was conversing with an adult. let's try again after you're out of middle school  struggle4progress   Oct-20-09 05:57 PM   #120 
                     sayeth the lord  tiny elvis   Oct-20-09 06:31 PM   #121 
                        you are a douchebag.  rd_kent   Oct-20-09 09:19 PM   #124 
                           because you were ][ this close to winning before i got douchey  tiny elvis   Oct-24-09 12:23 AM   #164 
                  Another thing about "Satanic abuse"  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-20-09 11:38 PM   #132 
   Yes.  DeSwiss   Oct-19-09 11:15 AM   #48 
   Nice!  rd_kent   Oct-19-09 12:39 PM   #58 
   Thanks!  DeSwiss   Oct-19-09 04:22 PM   #70 
   But, of course! LOL! Still, you have merely exhibited your talent for clever equivocation, since you  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 01:15 PM   #61 
      Well you don't address my post's points either.....  DeSwiss   Oct-19-09 04:20 PM   #69 
   Are any churches in your neighborhood CONDEMNING what is done in their name?  rd_kent   Oct-19-09 12:38 PM   #56 
      Remind me: in the name of what churches in my neighborhood is this done?  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 01:29 PM   #64 
         You can be as obtuse about the subject as you want to be.  rd_kent   Oct-19-09 01:45 PM   #65 
   +1000000000! Christians are in the same spot as Muslims that condone (by lack of action)  rd_kent   Oct-19-09 12:37 PM   #55 
   Don't forget Sarah's Hero!  hootinholler   Oct-18-09 06:03 PM   #24 
   If xianity had never been introduced, they would have found some other reason to burn the kid.  yodermon   Oct-18-09 09:42 PM   #30 
   See post #34. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-18-09 11:38 PM   #35 
   Curse of the rains (Sunday Orisakwe | June 2002)  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 02:22 AM   #40 
   How does this relate to violent exorcisms? nt  ZombieHorde   Oct-20-09 01:41 AM   #87 
      My POV is explained in #14, ¶2. And again in #42. Yet again in #60. Et passim.  struggle4progress   Oct-20-09 03:55 PM   #107 
         OK, I think I understand now.  ZombieHorde   Oct-20-09 08:21 PM   #123 
   Sale of Womanhood or Sex? (Sexuality in Africa Vol 5 #3 2008)  struggle4progress   Oct-19-09 02:34 AM   #41 
   People would get jail time  Meshuga   Oct-19-09 07:58 AM   #46 
   Sad and disturbing. nt  ZombieHorde   Oct-19-09 08:29 PM   #77 
   OK, this misinformed bullshit again--I'll try once more  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-20-09 03:12 PM   #102 
   Fred Phelps is a free-lance fundie too,  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 05:32 PM   #115 
   Phelps is not a Christian by Jesus' ethical standards  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-20-09 11:32 PM   #130 
      The game you're playing is known as No True Scotsman  darkstar3   Oct-21-09 10:07 AM   #144 
         The game you are playing is misapplying a logical fallacy, one more time.  kwassa   Oct-21-09 09:25 PM   #152 
            Lack of understanding on your part does not constitute a mistake on mine.  darkstar3   Oct-21-09 09:56 PM   #153 
               If you could refute my NTS analysis, you would have done so.  kwassa   Oct-22-09 10:19 AM   #158 
                  Bwaaaaack, Stalin! Bwaaack, misapplied!  darkstar3   Oct-22-09 11:39 AM   #159 
                     Still no rebuttal  kwassa   Oct-22-09 10:01 PM   #160 
                     and here is a version of NTS that applies to atheists:  kwassa   Oct-22-09 10:30 PM   #161 
                        Oh, I'm sorry, Polly, are you still squawking? I have better things to do. n/t  darkstar3   Oct-22-09 10:33 PM   #162 
                           No, you don't, because you still responded to me. And still no rebuttal.  kwassa   Oct-22-09 10:44 PM   #163 
   "This is NOT Christianity as taught by the missionaries."  ZombieHorde   Oct-20-09 08:15 PM   #122 
   Yeah, I knew I was wasting electrons  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-20-09 11:22 PM   #128 
      Those FACTS do not make any real point since violent exorcisms happen in the U.S.  ZombieHorde   Oct-20-09 11:41 PM   #134 
         And the mainstream groups DO NOT do this  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-09 12:19 AM   #136 
            This is a strawman fallacy because I never claimed mainstream groups preformed violent exorcisms.  ZombieHorde   Oct-21-09 01:49 AM   #140 
               So what? Why single out the Bible?  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-09 09:26 AM   #143 
                  The exorcists singled out the Holy Bible.  ZombieHorde   Oct-21-09 10:22 AM   #145 
                     Well, yes, but not the only source for that idea  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-09 01:29 PM   #146 
                        The Holy Bible may not be the only source, but the Holy Bible is the source they claimed to use.  ZombieHorde   Oct-21-09 06:29 PM   #150 
                           So fuckin' what?  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-09 10:55 PM   #154 
                              "I see is a bunch of atheists gleefully using this horrible situation as an opportunity to bash..."  ZombieHorde   Oct-21-09 11:08 PM   #155 
                                 The missionaries in Nigeria were mostly Anglicans, and they've  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-22-09 12:06 AM   #156 
                                    ""three-legged stool" of Scripture, tradition, and reason"  ZombieHorde   Oct-22-09 03:23 AM   #157 
   So, you are saying that this is not "REAL" christianity? Oh, ok then...  rd_kent   Oct-24-09 10:49 AM   #165 
   15,000 children have been accused in two of Nigeria's 36 state  moobu2   Oct-20-09 03:38 PM   #106 
   Blaming this on Christianity shows incredible ignorance.  Sal316   Oct-20-09 04:48 PM   #110 
   It's the wackiest of fundies we have a problem with  darkstar3   Oct-20-09 05:33 PM   #116 
   "People within the church have opposed this translation since the 16th Century."  ZombieHorde   Oct-21-09 02:02 AM   #141 
   Okay, so it means poisoner.  Chulanowa   Oct-21-09 04:12 PM   #149 
   Slavery is still alive in Nigeria  struggle4progress   Oct-20-09 05:31 PM   #114 
   A haven for child traffickers  struggle4progress   Oct-20-09 05:33 PM   #117 
   Nigeria: Trafficked Children - 'We Are Human, Not Commodities' (2008)  struggle4progress   Oct-20-09 05:38 PM   #118 
 

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