intheflow
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Tue Oct-06-09 10:59 PM
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| 83. No. Unitarian Christians do not believe in a divine Christ. |
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They don't believe in the Trinity. They believe Jesus was human, an inspired teacher who lived an exemplary life that serves as a model for being a compassionate person. They believe he died on the cross. Period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Christian_Associ...
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 Do you really have to believe Jesus is God to be a Christian? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:16 PM |
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Isn't the fact that the entire religion is |
sharp_stick |
Oct-06-09 04:17 PM |
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Oh noo!!! Not the smiting! |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:30 PM |
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I resent the word dude |
classysassy |
Oct-07-09 12:29 AM |
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Christianity isn't named after anyone. |
brendan120678 |
Oct-07-09 10:28 AM |
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Great point |
Proud_Lefty |
Oct-10-09 08:56 PM |
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Haha... religion. |
LostInAnomie |
Oct-06-09 04:17 PM |
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Yes, otherwise, you are just a nice liberal person |
Oregone |
Oct-06-09 04:19 PM |
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All That You Need To Be a Christian Is Unbearable Self-Righteousness |
Toasterlad |
Oct-06-09 04:21 PM |
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Actually, that's quite unfair. |
MineralMan |
Oct-06-09 04:30 PM |
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You have to believe that Milton Friedman was a prophet. |
undeterred |
Oct-06-09 04:21 PM |
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Not if you follow the Jesus that whipped the money changers. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:37 PM |
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No cracker for you! |
DefenseLawyer |
Oct-06-09 04:22 PM |
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What do YOU think? That's all that matters. |
TygrBright |
Oct-06-09 04:24 PM |
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I'd say you have to believe Jesus is the son of God, died as a sacrifice for your sins, and most |
TheKentuckian |
Oct-06-09 04:25 PM |
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Well thought answer. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:32 PM |
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No, that's fundamentalist doctrine. "Bible believing Christians" and the like. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-06-09 04:34 PM |
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That's an interesting take |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:50 PM |
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True Christians also don't put sugar on their porridge. n/t |
trotsky |
Oct-06-09 05:35 PM |
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This is definitely a case of where... |
JackRiddler |
Oct-07-09 12:39 AM |
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Why would one call him 'Christ', ie 'annointed', if one didn't believe he existed historically? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Oct-06-09 05:49 PM |
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Actually, I think "Christ" is the Greek interpretation of Messiah |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 07:11 PM |
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Yes - from Meriam-Webster: |
muriel_volestrangler |
Oct-06-09 07:44 PM |
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Certainly we have no record of him having been anointed, that's for sure. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 08:06 PM |
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Because they're not etymologists? |
JackRiddler |
Oct-07-09 12:45 AM |
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Hmm... |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-06-09 10:04 PM |
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Sorry if this makes me a s***-starter |
darkstar3 |
Oct-06-09 10:07 PM |
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Substitutionary atonement. |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-06-09 10:12 PM |
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Hmm... |
darkstar3 |
Oct-06-09 10:21 PM |
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Raised R. Catholic |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-07-09 03:19 PM |
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If jesus was resurrected, then where is he? |
rd_kent |
Oct-07-09 11:38 AM |
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Well, Christians are taught to look for him |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-07-09 07:33 PM |
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Google "ascension of jesus" |
Zebedeo |
Oct-13-09 06:49 PM |
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The doctrine of substitutionary atonement wasn't a part of the faith |
Critters2 |
Oct-07-09 12:59 AM |
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+1 nt |
Critters2 |
Oct-07-09 12:52 AM |
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make that +2 |
54anickel |
Oct-10-09 09:35 PM |
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Uh, you might want to check that out |
Zebedeo |
Oct-13-09 06:42 PM |
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I don't believe that was the "Good News" being proclaimed by Jesus... |
54anickel |
Oct-13-09 09:15 PM |
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The Good News |
Zebedeo |
Oct-13-09 11:23 PM |
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So what do you do with it now? You've been reconciled to God through Christ - what a |
54anickel |
Oct-14-09 09:03 AM |
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Believers should |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 01:07 PM |
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"God's purposes on Earth?" |
54anickel |
Oct-14-09 06:12 PM |
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God's purposes are for us to love one another |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 09:45 PM |
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Now that sounds a bit different than your earlier post about your accepting |
54anickel |
Oct-14-09 10:43 PM |
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Not sure where you are seeing a contradiction |
Zebedeo |
Oct-15-09 12:48 AM |
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So is that the only way to the Kingdom of God? And does the Kingdom of God only refer to |
54anickel |
Oct-15-09 06:47 AM |
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I rarely wonder which Jesus himself would prefer |
bunkerbuster1 |
Oct-06-09 04:25 PM |
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Constantine |
AllentownJake |
Oct-06-09 04:27 PM |
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The Roman state never lacked official gods, & at the time of the empire, the emperor was typically |
struggle4progress |
Oct-06-09 05:27 PM |
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Nah, you don't even have to think he existed. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-06-09 04:27 PM |
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I'm pretty sure he existed |
AllentownJake |
Oct-06-09 04:29 PM |
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Agree. |
H2O Man |
Oct-06-09 04:31 PM |
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Sure, the story makes sense but that's not proof he existed. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-07-09 01:24 AM |
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Shouldn't this be in Religion/Theology? |
frebrd |
Oct-06-09 04:27 PM |
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I guess you got your way, dude. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:40 PM |
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I see what you managed to do now: choke discussion. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:49 PM |
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R/T is exactly where this thread belongs... |
PassingFair |
Oct-06-09 11:57 PM |
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No. |
H2O Man |
Oct-06-09 04:28 PM |
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I have heard that explanation |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:37 PM |
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Doctrine would say "yes"; I've met some Christians who would say "no" or "not sure". |
gkhouston |
Oct-06-09 04:29 PM |
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Jesus lived in an era where heroes were elevated to god-like status |
Cleita |
Oct-06-09 04:30 PM |
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Wars were fought over the question of whether Jesus was half-god or all god. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-07-09 11:50 AM |
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Some Christians believe that, many don't nt |
ecstatic |
Oct-06-09 04:31 PM |
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Hmm. I would think that |
frogmarch |
Oct-06-09 04:36 PM |
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Christianish? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:40 PM |
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Which God? The First Commandment is vague on just how many there are... |
caballero |
Oct-06-09 04:39 PM |
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True, |
Ozymanithrax |
Oct-06-09 04:56 PM |
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A description that covers... |
Ozymanithrax |
Oct-06-09 04:40 PM |
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Ah, my life as a heretic. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:42 PM |
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Interesting how putting a thread in the theology section effectively ends discussion |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:48 PM |
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You might consider this site for more thoughtful discussions |
kentauros |
Oct-06-09 05:12 PM |
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Thank you for the link. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 07:09 PM |
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You're welcome :) |
kentauros |
Oct-06-09 07:22 PM |
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Thanks. I should have read further, but I got interested in the topics. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 08:08 PM |
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There are plenty of cool topics there, |
kentauros |
Oct-06-09 09:53 PM |
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No. If you try to follow what he supposedly said and did, you can call yourself a Christian |
uppityperson |
Oct-06-09 04:40 PM |
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According to some Christians, yes. According to some, no |
Taverner |
Oct-06-09 04:53 PM |
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An Atheist Christian! What a concept! |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 04:56 PM |
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Then you would probably be a Unitarian Universalist |
Taverner |
Oct-06-09 04:58 PM |
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No! Really? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 05:07 PM |
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They're actually wide open to all kinds of beliefs |
Taverner |
Oct-06-09 05:10 PM |
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What keeps the Unitarians together? |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 07:07 PM |
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Well that and the fact that they are also the target of political assasinations |
Taverner |
Oct-06-09 07:21 PM |
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Oh, I had forgotten about that. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 08:09 PM |
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If I still believed in God, I'd be there |
Taverner |
Oct-06-09 08:32 PM |
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A lot of people can only handle a UU church, and none other. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Oct-07-09 03:28 AM |
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I can think of at least one person |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-07-09 08:14 PM |
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I'm a Roman Catholic considering leaving the RC church for the Orthodox Church. |
pinto |
Oct-06-09 05:01 PM |
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The RC is mostly about laws, rules and regs. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 05:08 PM |
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It's less dogmatic in that it doesn't have a Pontiff. Seems based more on the original format for |
pinto |
Oct-06-09 05:45 PM |
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This is really interesting |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 06:58 PM |
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It predates Protestantism by centuries. Based on original, pre Niceaen, network of churches. |
pinto |
Oct-06-09 10:29 PM |
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Yes |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-07-09 07:16 PM |
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Kicking him upstairs Roman style to be a god was the original copout |
Warpy |
Oct-06-09 05:11 PM |
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Ok, there's a neat explanation. :) |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 07:02 PM |
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The problem is, |
darkstar3 |
Oct-06-09 05:22 PM |
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That's something I hadn't thought of. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 07:04 PM |
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The Catholics got around that. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Oct-07-09 03:23 AM |
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But virgin birth alone does not make one pure. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-07-09 09:33 AM |
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LOL - that coffee worship would have you fitting in |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-07-09 07:25 PM |
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Well, don't feel bad - those questions have set |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-07-09 07:23 PM |
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Long-winded is certainly not a problem for me. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-07-09 07:45 PM |
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Well, as frustrating as it may be |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-07-09 08:07 PM |
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Jesus would never approve the religion that bears his title. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-06-09 05:32 PM |
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Jesus advocated the laws in the OT. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-06-09 06:35 PM |
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That's not necessarily true. |
Sal316 |
Oct-06-09 07:24 PM |
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Recommend this wise and well informed post. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-06-09 07:30 PM |
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Repent--the "pent" may be also the root of 'think', like "pendere" (to weigh, consider) |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 08:14 PM |
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If that's what you got from it, you missed his message. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-06-09 07:25 PM |
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Sounds like you're a Jeffersonian Christian (a Deist follower of Jesus)... |
CJCRANE |
Oct-06-09 05:55 PM |
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Thank you for the link. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 07:06 PM |
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Wow, you can even get the whole thing on line |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 07:15 PM |
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Cool. That brings you back into the 21st Century! |
CJCRANE |
Oct-06-09 07:23 PM |
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I am leaning more and more that way these days |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-06-09 08:08 PM |
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To paraphrase religioustolerance.org... |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-06-09 06:34 PM |
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Makes sense to me. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Oct-06-09 06:40 PM |
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I think there is a wide variety of belief on |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-06-09 10:03 PM |
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No. Unitarian Christians do not believe in a divine Christ. |
intheflow |
Oct-06-09 10:59 PM |
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Isn't that a misnomer? |
darkstar3 |
Oct-06-09 11:11 PM |
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Unitarian Christians are a sub-set of Unitarian Universalists. |
intheflow |
Oct-06-09 11:53 PM |
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What kind of Christian is Barack Obama? |
JackRiddler |
Oct-07-09 01:13 AM |
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He was a member of the United Church of Christ, until he left |
Critters2 |
Oct-07-09 12:34 PM |
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A mimetic model: that's a choice, not a fate. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-07-09 12:47 PM |
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You have to believe what OTHER christians THINK you should beleive. |
rd_kent |
Oct-07-09 11:37 AM |
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What if we're looking through the wrong end of the telescope? Again. |
blueworld |
Oct-07-09 12:46 PM |
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Thanks for your story. |
JackRiddler |
Oct-07-09 12:54 PM |
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The finger that points at the moon is not the moon |
tinrobot |
Oct-13-09 09:21 PM |
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Or the turnpike |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-07-09 07:29 PM |
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Paganism by this time had greatly influence Christianity. |
olegramps |
Oct-10-09 10:59 AM |
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read Geza Vermes |
dcsmart |
Oct-10-09 11:18 AM |
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