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Fri Oct-02-09 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
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I'm happy if I see a chance to foster greater understanding and tolerance, but I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind.
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| -You have one chance (one question/statement) to make an R/T opponent change his/her mind. |
BurtWorm |
Sep-30-09 02:43 PM |
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Is an "R/T opponent" someone who opposes religion and theology, or someone who opposes this board? |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-30-09 02:48 PM |
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You have a third guess. |
BurtWorm |
Sep-30-09 02:55 PM |
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Whatever R/T is, I really do not think that it is possible to change the mind, especially if R/T |
T Wolf |
Sep-30-09 03:00 PM |
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(look at the name of the forum) |
BurtWorm |
Sep-30-09 03:08 PM |
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Call them a sinner, threaten them with hell, and then tell them about Christ's salvation. |
laconicsax |
Sep-30-09 03:09 PM |
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Here's mine |
BurtWorm |
Sep-30-09 03:30 PM |
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Elaboration |
BurtWorm |
Sep-30-09 03:53 PM |
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Because we're free to choose.... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-01-09 02:05 PM |
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So faith for faith's sake is important to god? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-01-09 02:43 PM |
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Yes, faith is important. |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-01-09 11:40 PM |
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So you pick and choose what to believe from the banquet of beliefs previous xians left for you? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 08:55 AM |
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Pretty much. Yes. |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-02-09 09:14 AM |
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I'm just curious: if you get to pick and choose beliefs that feel comfortable to you |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 12:05 PM |
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Sort of an obtuse question.... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-02-09 12:12 PM |
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You're a deist, then? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 12:47 PM |
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In the general sense of the word... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-02-09 01:55 PM |
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Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. |
rd_kent |
Jan-28-10 09:07 AM |
#127 |
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So you can forget about hell so long as your own ass is saved? |
Silent3 |
Oct-02-09 01:05 PM |
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Wow. That's whole lot of hostility you've got there... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-02-09 02:12 PM |
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The hostility is a reaction to the inherent... |
Silent3 |
Oct-02-09 02:37 PM |
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Well, because love is never something |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 08:48 PM |
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I appreciate that you aren't subscribing to the idea of hell... |
Silent3 |
Oct-03-09 02:08 PM |
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personally, I think the whole |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 08:47 PM |
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It's a centuries-old question... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Oct-03-09 08:58 AM |
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Yes, that's why I'm a universalist |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-03-09 02:08 PM |
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If god is God, then why create a being, give him free choice... |
damyank913 |
Jan-28-10 01:19 PM |
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For those hung up on atheism as a belief system... |
damyank913 |
Jan-29-10 08:07 AM |
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Are you certain it's not? |
rug |
Oct-01-09 12:40 PM |
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Repetez s'il vous plait. |
BurtWorm |
Oct-01-09 12:45 PM |
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I undertand you clearly. Other words are unnecessary. |
rug |
Oct-01-09 12:52 PM |
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Am I certain what is not? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-01-09 01:07 PM |
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Speaking for Rug |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 04:42 PM |
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I don't believe there is a god to make a request. |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 04:53 PM |
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Your post was premised on the existence of God. |
rug |
Oct-02-09 04:59 PM |
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My question is to people who believe that a deity expects something of them |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 05:12 PM |
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Yeah, that's what it mostly comes down to. |
rug |
Oct-02-09 05:23 PM |
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I doubt that's what it comes down to for most of the faithful. |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 05:31 PM |
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There are hypocrites, vengeful and petty people all over. |
rug |
Oct-02-09 05:50 PM |
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I did |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 05:02 PM |
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Clear from whom? It's one tiny part of your religion! |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 05:14 PM |
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It's all of my religion |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 05:16 PM |
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Then my question is not to you. |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 05:18 PM |
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Nor I you! nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 05:29 PM |
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Do you find that sort of clarity in any relationship? |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 04:40 PM |
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'Love one another' is an English phrase approximating the Biblical one, I presume. |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 04:57 PM |
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I think God sent that message, in many different ways to |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 05:06 PM |
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Millions of faithful would beg to differ with you about that. |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 05:16 PM |
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I understand that |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 05:28 PM |
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I would call that "Growing Pains" dude and give him a banana |
Meshuga |
Oct-03-09 11:16 AM |
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No! Don't bring out the Kirk Cameron! |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-03-09 02:09 PM |
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He would be entertaining |
Meshuga |
Oct-03-09 07:47 PM |
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Phew. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-03-09 08:15 PM |
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FWIW ... |
Nihil |
Oct-01-09 07:57 AM |
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Which side of the spectrum are you on, out of curiosity? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-01-09 09:36 AM |
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Mainly visible with some tactile infrared ... |
Nihil |
Oct-02-09 08:35 AM |
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My point in asking the questions was, really, to ask if you thought there were some issues |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 03:28 PM |
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Agreed. |
Nihil |
Oct-05-09 11:49 AM |
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I'm with you |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-02-09 04:43 PM |
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+100 |
Withywindle |
Oct-06-09 02:28 AM |
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Some good points there. |
Nihil |
Oct-06-09 07:58 AM |
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I'd ask them to read the works of Rene Girard... |
Critters2 |
Oct-01-09 11:34 AM |
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Would you be sharing that with atheists or with right-wing fundamentalists? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-01-09 11:48 AM |
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I'd be sharing it with both. |
Critters2 |
Oct-01-09 04:20 PM |
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I think most atheists would not be persuaded by what sounds like a teleological argument |
BurtWorm |
Oct-01-09 07:19 PM |
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That's quite the ignorant blanket statement. |
trotsky |
Oct-02-09 12:09 PM |
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I'd give up. :) |
Silent3 |
Oct-01-09 01:45 PM |
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Planting a seed should be good enough. |
BurtWorm |
Oct-01-09 02:47 PM |
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Convincing Athiests |
geistvomeinzelganger |
Oct-02-09 01:32 PM |
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Someone too young to read is an opponent? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 02:30 PM |
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I'd like an answer to this question as well. n/t |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 05:45 PM |
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zOMG I wouldn't bother |
MorningGlow |
Oct-02-09 03:22 PM |
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This discussion might interest you: |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 03:30 PM |
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"An it harm none" is the operative phrase |
MorningGlow |
Oct-02-09 04:11 PM |
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I get that, and admire that philosophy. |
BurtWorm |
Oct-02-09 04:19 PM |
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I will say what I think about the subject being discussed. |
Meshuga |
Oct-03-09 08:03 PM |
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I think that makes perfect sense! nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-03-09 08:17 PM |
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I'd probably ruin my chance by making a stupid joke.Probably something about ass pimples. Or penises |
Evoman |
Oct-06-09 12:12 AM |
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Not take it...why do I need to change his or her mind? who cares if he or she is not hurting anyone? |
AuntPatsy |
Oct-06-09 02:20 AM |
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I would tell her about God's love for her |
Zebedeo |
Oct-13-09 10:50 PM |
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And when she asks about the alternative? n/t |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 12:09 AM |
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I would tell her that |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 12:21 PM |
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"God does not want anyone to choose to be separated from Him" |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-14-09 01:25 PM |
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He has. |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 09:05 PM |
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All creation cries out to anyone with ears that God is magnificent and glorious. |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-14-09 10:05 PM |
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We think too much alike, apparently. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 10:22 PM |
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Happens. I feel guilty when I am involved in a dog pile, but two posts does not make a dog pile. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-15-09 06:52 PM |
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Wow... |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 10:22 PM |
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I thought you were seriously inquiring, darkstar3. |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 10:34 PM |
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Condescension?!?! |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 10:38 PM |
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Sure, I have answers to your questions/comments |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 11:15 PM |
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What is simpler? The idea that energy is eternal, |
iris27 |
Oct-14-09 11:48 PM |
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We know from observation that your hypothesis is false |
Zebedeo |
Oct-15-09 12:34 AM |
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Buzz! wrong. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-15-09 12:38 AM |
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Fail. |
Zebedeo |
Oct-16-09 02:01 AM |
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Please provide evidence of these observations you or others have made. |
darkstar3 |
Oct-16-09 08:16 AM |
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Google is your friend |
Zebedeo |
Oct-16-09 07:43 PM |
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Google is YOUR friend as well, |
darkstar3 |
Oct-16-09 10:33 PM |
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Uh, no, energy/matter already existed before the Big Bang. |
iris27 |
Oct-15-09 11:10 PM |
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“In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” |
Nihil |
Oct-16-09 07:23 AM |
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Terry Prachett is awesome. :) |
iris27 |
Oct-16-09 06:07 PM |
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Isn't it astonishing |
BurtWorm |
Oct-16-09 12:39 PM |
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That's God |
Zebedeo |
Oct-16-09 07:51 PM |
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And he's male? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-16-09 08:05 PM |
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Nice creed statement there |
darkstar3 |
Oct-16-09 10:06 PM |
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Interesting ... |
Nihil |
Oct-20-09 08:16 AM |
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That substitution doesn't work |
darkstar3 |
Oct-20-09 09:25 AM |
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I agree but at that point, their words came close - hence the "if" in my original comment. |
Nihil |
Oct-20-09 09:42 AM |
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Yes. I've noticed that when beer talk turns to religion ... |
Jim__ |
Jan-28-10 09:49 AM |
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Zeb, you are delusional. |
rd_kent |
Jan-28-10 09:23 AM |
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Not delusional; Christian. |
Zebedeo |
Jan-28-10 11:24 PM |
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Looks like you should read #90 again. |
darkstar3 |
Jan-28-10 11:31 PM |
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Same thing, my Friend, same thing. |
rd_kent |
Jan-29-10 11:49 AM |
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... |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 11:48 PM |
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Asking for proof is a closed mind? I think you need to seek help for YOUR closed mind. |
rd_kent |
Jan-28-10 09:20 AM |
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Right on !!!!!!!!!!!! |
damyank913 |
Jan-28-10 01:48 PM |
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Additional: |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 10:25 PM |
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Ah, so the book of fairly tales that is not only inconsistent but conflicting and, on most accounts, |
rd_kent |
Jan-28-10 09:18 AM |
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Cuckoo, cuckoo! |
rd_kent |
Jan-29-10 11:50 AM |
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So for failing to believe in God, |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 01:55 PM |
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And she would probably ask you, "How do you know what God wants? Does he tell you this?" |
BurtWorm |
Oct-14-09 10:25 AM |
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It is written on our hearts |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 12:25 PM |
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Is shame always a sign of God's disapproval of our actions? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-14-09 01:47 PM |
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No, sometimes shame has other sources. n/t |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 08:51 PM |
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How can you tell the diffference between God-shame and other shame? |
BurtWorm |
Oct-14-09 11:12 PM |
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3 1/2 months and no answer. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jan-28-10 08:39 AM |
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What of murderers? |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 05:43 PM |
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They certainly know that what they do is wrong |
Zebedeo |
Oct-14-09 08:50 PM |
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Tell that to Bundy, Gacy, and Dahmer |
darkstar3 |
Oct-14-09 09:07 PM |
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If a person does not know that his criminal conduct is wrong |
Zebedeo |
Oct-16-09 02:21 AM |
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See post #95 |
darkstar3 |
Oct-16-09 01:09 PM |
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They only "know" it's wrong because society has taught them that it's wrong, |
iris27 |
Oct-14-09 10:57 PM |
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I think most murderers, rapists, and thieves know those activities are illegal, |
ZombieHorde |
Oct-15-09 09:21 PM |
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How do YOU know what god wants? Did he tell you directly? |
rd_kent |
Jan-28-10 09:16 AM |
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I have no R/T opponent(s)..... |
DeSwiss |
Oct-14-09 11:32 PM |
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Religious faith is experiential not a matter of argumentation |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-16-09 09:55 PM |
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Speaking as a "mystical atheist" |
GliderGuider |
Oct-17-09 12:21 PM |
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Like others here, I do not feel any need to make someone else change his/her mind |
MikeH |
Oct-19-09 05:22 PM |
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Don't think of others with different opinions as "opponents"... |
Desertrose |
Oct-20-09 06:51 PM |
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I'd say "screw it" and use the statement for something productive. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jan-28-10 08:41 AM |
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dupe |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-28-10 12:58 PM |
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Switch to another forum. That would be my best option. |
MineralMan |
Jan-28-10 07:54 PM |
#136 |
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I don't think I would |
Dorian Gray |
Jan-29-10 07:00 AM |
#139 |
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