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12. The underlying principal is whether or not the "Church" has the
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 02:14 PM by jemelanson
right to control women.
"In most primitive societies it was unthinkable that male sexual desires should take precedence over the needs of mothers and their children. Patriarchy everywhere sought to change this, through religious sanction. Women were to serve men's sexual urges even when preoccupied with motherhood. This was the meaning of God's announcement to Eve: 'I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be subject to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee' (Genesis 3:16). In this context, "sorrrow" meant labor pangs, as well as the harried life of a mother with children too close together, and the illnesses and injuries caused by spreading a mother's care too thin.
The Judeo-Christian culture insisted on men's control of women's bodies. Wives were not to imitate sexual relations, but they were never to deny their husbands. The Catholic church laid down the law that no wife could accuse her husband of rape even if he forced her with accompanying brutality. Sexual "release" was his conjugal right ( but not hers).
The church interpreted the fable of Genesis as God's mandate to compel women to bear as many children as possible, even at the cost of the children's or the mother's health and welfare. Men refused to deal with the problem of over-production and women were forbidden to do so, by the church's tradition. In pagan times, women used some fairly effective birth-control devices, ranging from vaginal sponges to abortifacient drugs. Many churchmen believed the witches inherited secret knowledge of such things, which contributed to the vigor or witch- and midwife-persecutions." this was taken from the book by Barbara G. Walker "The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets"
pages 13-104. Along with this Birth-control was considered as nothing else than mutual masturbation. The church did not view sex as masturbation when it was for a husband's benefit as long as it was not mutually satisfying. In the 17th century the church said that the only purpose of marital sex must be conception and that if the woman receives too much pleasure she cannot conceive.
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  Does threat of excommunication by church for use of contraception in Catholic countries cause clear eye  Sep-25-09 08:38 PM   #0 
   my mother was threatened with excommunication  Donnachaidh   Sep-25-09 08:42 PM   #1 
   Is using birth control grounds for excommunication? I know that abortion is,  gateley   Sep-25-09 08:48 PM   #4 
      No. It is not.  quiller4   Sep-25-09 08:48 PM   #6 
      Cherie Blair has been open about taking BC and  jenniferj   Oct-01-09 01:43 PM   #13 
      Used to be when I was catholic. Never heard it was changed  rurallib   Sep-25-09 10:16 PM   #11 
   Why would the church want to take away someone's  HysteryDiagnosis   Sep-25-09 08:43 PM   #2 
   I spent three years in a Catholic Institute in Mexico  Xipe Totec   Sep-25-09 08:44 PM   #3 
   I've never heard of anyone threatened with excommunication  quiller4   Sep-25-09 08:48 PM   #5 
   Interesting.  clear eye   Sep-25-09 09:08 PM   #8 
   Vatican affirms bishop's excommunication of Call to Action...  clear eye   Sep-25-09 09:20 PM   #9 
   The RCC will never get serious about this. They fudge their membership numbers as it is.  MichiganVote   Sep-25-09 09:01 PM   #7 
   I'm old. I was told no contraception by a priest in the early sixties, I walked  virgogal   Sep-25-09 10:03 PM   #10 
   The underlying principal is whether or not the "Church" has the  jemelanson   Sep-26-09 02:13 PM   #12 
 

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