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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. Typical.
Because you don't understand the answer doesn't mean there isn't one.

I'm too stupid to believe in god. Nicely done!

Which isn't at all even remotely related to anything I had said or asked.

I just removed the offending word. It's irrelevant to the point at hand.

No, you said "perfect knowledge".

We can go back to using that word if you want. Just define what you mean by it and I'll be happy to continue.

To assume that humanity has no say in their lives is just as bleak an outlook as predestination is.

False dichotomy. Thanks for playing.

You just think you haven't because you can't hear them over sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "la la la ....I can't hear you!"

Recent threads on this topic prove you excruciatingly wrong. I keep asking, but no one has answers. You just regurgitate Sunday-School-level theology expecting me to swallow it just like you did. And when I fail to do so, you attack my intelligence.

How very Christian of you.
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  -Criticizing religion vs. criticizing anything else Silent3  Jul-30-09 04:57 PM   #0 
  - Very well said.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-30-09 05:06 PM   #1 
  - Criticizing atheism vs. criticizing anything else  bananas   Jul-30-09 05:15 PM   #2 
  - Turn about is fair play. nt.  Strong Atheist   Jul-30-09 05:17 PM   #4 
  - Any chance of discussing what fair play might look like?  ironbark   Jul-31-09 04:09 AM   #45 
     - Sounds like you should make this a thread of it's own, maybe add it to  Strong Atheist   Jul-31-09 08:12 AM   #57 
  - True enough  Silent3   Jul-30-09 05:35 PM   #5 
  - I am an atheist and I don't expect kid gloves.  ZombieHorde   Jul-30-09 05:59 PM   #7 
  - Is that YOU, Michael?  PassingFair   Jul-30-09 10:03 PM   #28 
     - Hehehe.  LAGC   Jul-30-09 11:57 PM   #42 
  - Have at it.  Goblinmonger   Jul-30-09 06:33 PM   #9 
  - I don't see the point in your comment. I read the OP as saying that it seems that  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 06:34 PM   #10 
     - I agree with you on so many points!  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 07:35 PM   #12 
        - Ah yes, "I'm ot sure if I like to agree with you, but that is neither here nor there."  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 07:43 PM   #13 
        - Who are you calling a liberal?  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 07:50 PM   #14 
           - Awww yes, a moderate are you. Aren't we all. Don't worry, I won't tell  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 07:57 PM   #16 
              - I guess I should be open-minded  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 08:14 PM   #19 
                 - Thank you for your nice response. I try to be light about discussions.  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 10:31 PM   #36 
                    - Non-liberal, if I had to choose.  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 04:37 AM   #48 
                       - Sorry to hear. Good luck. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 08:34 AM   #62 
        - I'll repost some links I used in another reply in this thread...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 10:43 AM   #71 
           - I would love to discuss those issues with you,  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 11:19 AM   #74 
           - Right, I had a better look at the two other threads you suggested.  Betty Karlson   Aug-02-09 11:05 AM   #99 
  - K&R. nt.  Strong Atheist   Jul-30-09 05:16 PM   #3 
  - Excellent post!!!  DeSwiss   Jul-30-09 05:54 PM   #6 
  - rec 8. great post. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 06:22 PM   #8 
  - OK, I'll take the bait.  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 07:29 PM   #11 
  - You can graybox excrepts if you like  uberllama42   Jul-31-09 04:19 AM   #46 
  - Thank you for your answers. NT.  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 04:39 AM   #49 
  - I didn't form my questions like...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 09:53 AM   #67 
     - Let me get back to you on Sunday too.  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 06:31 PM   #86 
     - It seems our discussion circles around the middle ground.  Betty Karlson   Aug-02-09 11:56 AM   #101 
  - It's not the lack of kid gloves, it's the lack of intelligent, original criticism of religion.  rug   Jul-30-09 07:50 PM   #15 
  - Tell me you're not series. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 07:58 PM   #17 
  - I am. I've read this hackneyed stuff.  rug   Jul-30-09 08:28 PM   #20 
     - The OP was about the fact that religion gets a pass from good hard intellegent discussion.  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 10:21 PM   #32 
        - Of course religion does not get a pass.  rug   Jul-30-09 10:31 PM   #35 
           - Yes and believers make the same old tired arguments  TZ   Aug-04-09 07:53 AM   #108 
  - The problem is, believers run away from the good stuff.  trotsky   Jul-30-09 09:08 PM   #22 
  - I missed that thread. Assuming that happened, do you think everyone would want to do it?  rug   Jul-30-09 09:25 PM   #23 
  - My point proven.  trotsky   Jul-30-09 09:40 PM   #25 
     - Sure, right after you answer the question.  rug   Jul-30-09 09:50 PM   #27 
        - I'll answer: It depends.  Goblinmonger   Jul-30-09 10:08 PM   #29 
        - I don't get the OT God. But the New Testament God is one and the same.  rug   Jul-30-09 10:18 PM   #31 
           - Yes but how does that relate to religion? nm  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 10:23 PM   #33 
              - Religions and theologies are attempts to understand these notions and provide a systemic framework.  rug   Jul-30-09 10:27 PM   #34 
                 - So Pat Robertson is just trying to "understand these notions and provide a  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 10:37 PM   #37 
                    - No, he's an asshole using religion. Examples are rampant throughot history.  rug   Jul-30-09 10:43 PM   #38 
                       - Agree, an unfair example. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 11:04 PM   #39 
        - "if God is as advertised, it is irresistible"  trotsky   Jul-31-09 06:57 AM   #53 
        - You excel at missing the point.  rug   Jul-31-09 08:29 AM   #61 
           - Well, I use the term "your" god because that's who I assume we are talking about.  trotsky   Jul-31-09 10:40 AM   #70 
              - God doesn't belong to anybody but misconceptions do.  rug   Jul-31-09 01:19 PM   #75 
                 - "The revelation of God does not violate free will."  trotsky   Jul-31-09 01:49 PM   #78 
                    - Ah, the tired old why does god allow evil rant.  rug   Jul-31-09 01:57 PM   #80 
                       - Nope, it's not that general.  trotsky   Jul-31-09 02:05 PM   #82 
                          - That's an interesting question, as it has always been.  rug   Jul-31-09 05:18 PM   #85 
                             - You are totally avoiding the question.  trotsky   Aug-01-09 08:08 AM   #91 
                                - You assume that would end the conflict.  rug   Aug-01-09 09:13 AM   #93 
                                   - You think it wouldn't?  trotsky   Aug-01-09 10:00 AM   #94 
                                      - Given human history, I think it's unlikely.  rug   Aug-01-09 03:34 PM   #95 
                                         - How can you be sure?  trotsky   Aug-02-09 08:34 AM   #97 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-09 11:11 AM   #100 
                                            - I am sorry, but not surprised, that you end by resorting to insults and name-calling.  trotsky   Aug-02-09 08:08 PM   #102 
                                            - What's your take on Proverbs 26:11?  rug   Aug-02-09 08:19 PM   #103 
                                            - Truly, the love and compassion of Jesus is evident in you.  trotsky   Aug-02-09 08:26 PM   #104 
                                            - Your comments throughout this subthread have proven the original point.  rug   Aug-02-09 08:51 PM   #105 
                                            - I welcome anyone to read this subthread and come to their own conclusion.  trotsky   Aug-02-09 08:57 PM   #106 
                                            - Here's your cheese. Good job!  rug   Aug-02-09 09:06 PM   #107 
        - Can I play? I would like a shot at your question.  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 08:26 AM   #59 
           - Those are the three assumptions.  rug   Jul-31-09 08:42 AM   #64 
              - First I don't agree with your assumptions. Off the cuff, I would define God with a capital G  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 01:21 PM   #76 
                 - Capital letters manipulate people? Who knew?  rug   Jul-31-09 01:58 PM   #81 
                    - Sorry, I thought you wanted to discuss this. My mistake. Goodbye. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 03:22 PM   #83 
                       - A dios.  rug   Jul-31-09 05:10 PM   #84 
                          - Non-liberal. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 10:20 PM   #88 
  - I resent that!  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 09:31 PM   #24 
  - Please read my post (see the link) in the context of the thread.  trotsky   Jul-30-09 09:45 PM   #26 
     - Posted a short one  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 05:01 AM   #51 
  - Good post trotsky. Can I ask if you consider yourself an atheist? nm  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 08:29 AM   #60 
  - Oh I most definitely do. n/t  trotsky   Jul-31-09 11:04 AM   #73 
  - Hardly.  Sal316   Jul-31-09 01:37 PM   #77 
     - Typical.  trotsky   Jul-31-09 01:53 PM   #79 
  - I couldn't agree more  ironbark   Jul-31-09 04:34 AM   #47 
  - If the major problems were lack of intelligent and original criticism...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 08:06 AM   #56 
     - To use a common line in here, prove it.  rug   Jul-31-09 08:39 AM   #63 
        - I don't think I've personally ever done much to equate...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 10:05 AM   #68 
  - Try criticizing islam and the sharia, or dare to do a cartoon  ProgressiveProfessor   Jul-30-09 08:06 PM   #18 
  - The problem with your analogy is that it ignores context.  Jim__   Jul-30-09 08:53 PM   #21 
  - "talk about a "sky daddy"...amounts to childish name-calling"  ZombieHorde   Jul-30-09 10:11 PM   #30 
  - Any beliefs I have about my computer are, at best, of marginal importance.  Jim__   Jul-31-09 03:58 AM   #44 
     - I have been thinking about your reply for about 30 minutes,  ZombieHorde   Jul-31-09 07:24 PM   #87 
        - I can try.  Jim__   Aug-01-09 08:33 AM   #92 
           - Interesting points, I'll have to think about them for a while. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-01-09 06:17 PM   #96 
  - Sure, it's a mixed crowd here...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 07:10 AM   #54 
  - That the tactic is common in today's political debate emphasizes my point.  Jim__   Jul-31-09 08:21 AM   #58 
     - Do you refer to those who use tactics you don't like...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 09:15 AM   #65 
        - I don't believe I've ever referred to someone that way.  Jim__   Jul-31-09 09:20 AM   #66 
  - Ah, but plenty of topics are discussed with intense furor on DU.  trotsky   Jul-31-09 07:25 AM   #55 
  - I rarely get my feathers ruffled  Meshuga   Jul-30-09 11:08 PM   #40 
  - k&r nt  rrneck   Jul-30-09 11:16 PM   #41 
  - What is most disappointing  ironbark   Jul-31-09 01:42 AM   #43 
  - I personally have never said...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 10:37 AM   #69 
     - There was never any suggestion  ironbark   Jul-31-09 10:59 PM   #89 
        - Sure, you've explained that you're a so-called "agnostic"...  Silent3   Aug-02-09 10:55 AM   #98 
  - Excellent points. This is why I don't call Republicans names or blindly hate on them  uberllama42   Jul-31-09 04:50 AM   #50 
     - Ill put my hand up  ironbark   Jul-31-09 05:28 AM   #52 
     - To me, fundamentalism and bigotry are ineluctably connected  uberllama42   Aug-01-09 12:11 AM   #90 
     - When I talk about Republicans on DU...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 10:49 AM   #72 
 

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