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35. Of course religion does not get a pass.
Edited on Thu Jul-30-09 10:31 PM by rug
But 5 minutes in GDP and 2 minutes in R/T is more likely to yield mildly amusing inanity about politcs and religion than intelligent discussion.
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  -Criticizing religion vs. criticizing anything else Silent3  Jul-30-09 04:57 PM   #0 
  - Very well said.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-30-09 05:06 PM   #1 
  - Criticizing atheism vs. criticizing anything else  bananas   Jul-30-09 05:15 PM   #2 
  - Turn about is fair play. nt.  Strong Atheist   Jul-30-09 05:17 PM   #4 
  - Any chance of discussing what ‘fair play’ might look like?  ironbark   Jul-31-09 04:09 AM   #45 
     - Sounds like you should make this a thread of it's own, maybe add it to  Strong Atheist   Jul-31-09 08:12 AM   #57 
  - True enough  Silent3   Jul-30-09 05:35 PM   #5 
  - I am an atheist and I don't expect kid gloves.  ZombieHorde   Jul-30-09 05:59 PM   #7 
  - Is that YOU, Michael?  PassingFair   Jul-30-09 10:03 PM   #28 
     - Hehehe.  LAGC   Jul-30-09 11:57 PM   #42 
  - Have at it.  Goblinmonger   Jul-30-09 06:33 PM   #9 
  - I don't see the point in your comment. I read the OP as saying that it seems that  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 06:34 PM   #10 
     - I agree with you on so many points!  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 07:35 PM   #12 
        - Ah yes, "I'm ot sure if I like to agree with you, but that is neither here nor there."  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 07:43 PM   #13 
        - Who are you calling a liberal?  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 07:50 PM   #14 
           - Awww yes, a moderate are you. Aren't we all. Don't worry, I won't tell  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 07:57 PM   #16 
              - I guess I should be open-minded  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 08:14 PM   #19 
                 - Thank you for your nice response. I try to be light about discussions.  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 10:31 PM   #36 
                    - Non-liberal, if I had to choose.  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 04:37 AM   #48 
                       - Sorry to hear. Good luck. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 08:34 AM   #62 
        - I'll repost some links I used in another reply in this thread...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 10:43 AM   #71 
           - I would love to discuss those issues with you,  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 11:19 AM   #74 
           - Right, I had a better look at the two other threads you suggested.  Betty Karlson   Aug-02-09 11:05 AM   #99 
  - K&R. nt.  Strong Atheist   Jul-30-09 05:16 PM   #3 
  - Excellent post!!!  DeSwiss   Jul-30-09 05:54 PM   #6 
  - rec 8. great post. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 06:22 PM   #8 
  - OK, I'll take the bait.  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 07:29 PM   #11 
  - You can graybox excrepts if you like  uberllama42   Jul-31-09 04:19 AM   #46 
  - Thank you for your answers. NT.  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 04:39 AM   #49 
  - I didn't form my questions like...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 09:53 AM   #67 
     - Let me get back to you on Sunday too.  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 06:31 PM   #86 
     - It seems our discussion circles around the middle ground.  Betty Karlson   Aug-02-09 11:56 AM   #101 
  - It's not the lack of kid gloves, it's the lack of intelligent, original criticism of religion.  rug   Jul-30-09 07:50 PM   #15 
  - Tell me you're not series. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 07:58 PM   #17 
  - I am. I've read this hackneyed stuff.  rug   Jul-30-09 08:28 PM   #20 
     - The OP was about the fact that religion gets a pass from good hard intellegent discussion.  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 10:21 PM   #32 
        - Of course religion does not get a pass.  rug   Jul-30-09 10:31 PM   #35 
           - Yes and believers make the same old tired arguments  TZ   Aug-04-09 07:53 AM   #108 
  - The problem is, believers run away from the good stuff.  trotsky   Jul-30-09 09:08 PM   #22 
  - I missed that thread. Assuming that happened, do you think everyone would want to do it?  rug   Jul-30-09 09:25 PM   #23 
  - My point proven.  trotsky   Jul-30-09 09:40 PM   #25 
     - Sure, right after you answer the question.  rug   Jul-30-09 09:50 PM   #27 
        - I'll answer: It depends.  Goblinmonger   Jul-30-09 10:08 PM   #29 
        - I don't get the OT God. But the New Testament God is one and the same.  rug   Jul-30-09 10:18 PM   #31 
           - Yes but how does that relate to religion? nm  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 10:23 PM   #33 
              - Religions and theologies are attempts to understand these notions and provide a systemic framework.  rug   Jul-30-09 10:27 PM   #34 
                 - So Pat Robertson is just trying to "understand these notions and provide a  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 10:37 PM   #37 
                    - No, he's an asshole using religion. Examples are rampant throughot history.  rug   Jul-30-09 10:43 PM   #38 
                       - Agree, an unfair example. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-30-09 11:04 PM   #39 
        - "if God is as advertised, it is irresistible"  trotsky   Jul-31-09 06:57 AM   #53 
        - You excel at missing the point.  rug   Jul-31-09 08:29 AM   #61 
           - Well, I use the term "your" god because that's who I assume we are talking about.  trotsky   Jul-31-09 10:40 AM   #70 
              - God doesn't belong to anybody but misconceptions do.  rug   Jul-31-09 01:19 PM   #75 
                 - "The revelation of God does not violate free will."  trotsky   Jul-31-09 01:49 PM   #78 
                    - Ah, the tired old why does god allow evil rant.  rug   Jul-31-09 01:57 PM   #80 
                       - Nope, it's not that general.  trotsky   Jul-31-09 02:05 PM   #82 
                          - That's an interesting question, as it has always been.  rug   Jul-31-09 05:18 PM   #85 
                             - You are totally avoiding the question.  trotsky   Aug-01-09 08:08 AM   #91 
                                - You assume that would end the conflict.  rug   Aug-01-09 09:13 AM   #93 
                                   - You think it wouldn't?  trotsky   Aug-01-09 10:00 AM   #94 
                                      - Given human history, I think it's unlikely.  rug   Aug-01-09 03:34 PM   #95 
                                         - How can you be sure?  trotsky   Aug-02-09 08:34 AM   #97 
                                            - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-02-09 11:11 AM   #100 
                                            - I am sorry, but not surprised, that you end by resorting to insults and name-calling.  trotsky   Aug-02-09 08:08 PM   #102 
                                            - What's your take on Proverbs 26:11?  rug   Aug-02-09 08:19 PM   #103 
                                            - Truly, the love and compassion of Jesus is evident in you.  trotsky   Aug-02-09 08:26 PM   #104 
                                            - Your comments throughout this subthread have proven the original point.  rug   Aug-02-09 08:51 PM   #105 
                                            - I welcome anyone to read this subthread and come to their own conclusion.  trotsky   Aug-02-09 08:57 PM   #106 
                                            - Here's your cheese. Good job!  rug   Aug-02-09 09:06 PM   #107 
        - Can I play? I would like a shot at your question.  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 08:26 AM   #59 
           - Those are the three assumptions.  rug   Jul-31-09 08:42 AM   #64 
              - First I don't agree with your assumptions. Off the cuff, I would define God with a capital G  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 01:21 PM   #76 
                 - Capital letters manipulate people? Who knew?  rug   Jul-31-09 01:58 PM   #81 
                    - Sorry, I thought you wanted to discuss this. My mistake. Goodbye. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 03:22 PM   #83 
                       - A dios.  rug   Jul-31-09 05:10 PM   #84 
                          - Non-liberal. nm  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 10:20 PM   #88 
  - I resent that!  Betty Karlson   Jul-30-09 09:31 PM   #24 
  - Please read my post (see the link) in the context of the thread.  trotsky   Jul-30-09 09:45 PM   #26 
     - Posted a short one  Betty Karlson   Jul-31-09 05:01 AM   #51 
  - Good post trotsky. Can I ask if you consider yourself an atheist? nm  rhett o rick   Jul-31-09 08:29 AM   #60 
  - Oh I most definitely do. n/t  trotsky   Jul-31-09 11:04 AM   #73 
  - Hardly.  Sal316   Jul-31-09 01:37 PM   #77 
     - Typical.  trotsky   Jul-31-09 01:53 PM   #79 
  - I couldn't agree more  ironbark   Jul-31-09 04:34 AM   #47 
  - If the major problems were lack of intelligent and original criticism...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 08:06 AM   #56 
     - To use a common line in here, prove it.  rug   Jul-31-09 08:39 AM   #63 
        - I don't think I've personally ever done much to equate...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 10:05 AM   #68 
  - Try criticizing islam and the sharia, or dare to do a cartoon  ProgressiveProfessor   Jul-30-09 08:06 PM   #18 
  - The problem with your analogy is that it ignores context.  Jim__   Jul-30-09 08:53 PM   #21 
  - "talk about a "sky daddy"...amounts to childish name-calling"  ZombieHorde   Jul-30-09 10:11 PM   #30 
  - Any beliefs I have about my computer are, at best, of marginal importance.  Jim__   Jul-31-09 03:58 AM   #44 
     - I have been thinking about your reply for about 30 minutes,  ZombieHorde   Jul-31-09 07:24 PM   #87 
        - I can try.  Jim__   Aug-01-09 08:33 AM   #92 
           - Interesting points, I'll have to think about them for a while. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-01-09 06:17 PM   #96 
  - Sure, it's a mixed crowd here...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 07:10 AM   #54 
  - That the tactic is common in today's political debate emphasizes my point.  Jim__   Jul-31-09 08:21 AM   #58 
     - Do you refer to those who use tactics you don't like...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 09:15 AM   #65 
        - I don't believe I've ever referred to someone that way.  Jim__   Jul-31-09 09:20 AM   #66 
  - Ah, but plenty of topics are discussed with intense furor on DU.  trotsky   Jul-31-09 07:25 AM   #55 
  - I rarely get my feathers ruffled  Meshuga   Jul-30-09 11:08 PM   #40 
  - k&r nt  rrneck   Jul-30-09 11:16 PM   #41 
  - What is most disappointing  ironbark   Jul-31-09 01:42 AM   #43 
  - I personally have never said...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 10:37 AM   #69 
     - There was never any suggestion  ironbark   Jul-31-09 10:59 PM   #89 
        - Sure, you've explained that you're a so-called "agnostic"...  Silent3   Aug-02-09 10:55 AM   #98 
  - Excellent points. This is why I don't call Republicans names or blindly hate on them  uberllama42   Jul-31-09 04:50 AM   #50 
     - I’ll put my hand up  ironbark   Jul-31-09 05:28 AM   #52 
     - To me, fundamentalism and bigotry are ineluctably connected  uberllama42   Aug-01-09 12:11 AM   #90 
     - When I talk about Republicans on DU...  Silent3   Jul-31-09 10:49 AM   #72 
 

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