knitter4democracy
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Sat May-02-09 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #61 |
| 63. My church now is a lot better, though we still have a lot of work ahead. |
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Part of it's cultural, and in the Orthodox church, culture's huge (especially in the Greek church--it's very old-school Greek in many, many ways). That's slowly changing, though, as the second and third generations start taking over and we get more converts. The evangelicals like me who convert take awhile to loosen up, I've noticed, though many of us are just so thankful to find a church that's more what we need that we jump in and start swimming right away.
I don't miss my old church at all, and I'd love to burn down my old college (at least, that dark part of me would relish the job). Horrible things are done to people there in the name of the faith, and it's disgusting.
I'll say it again, though--there's no way you aren't beautiful when you have a heart that loving and kind. No way.
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| -Honest question: How does someone pretend to have a faith he doesn't believe in? |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-29-09 11:19 PM |
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I was a medic for ten years |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-29-09 11:26 PM |
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I think that might be part of it for him, too. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-29-09 11:53 PM |
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Well I understand that, I used to feel something when going to temple |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-30-09 12:32 AM |
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Has it ever done you any good? |
HeresyLives |
Apr-29-09 11:27 PM |
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Personally, yes. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-29-09 11:51 PM |
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'God 'doesn't seem to have helped |
HeresyLives |
Apr-29-09 11:55 PM |
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And that's where we disagree. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-29-09 11:59 PM |
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You told yourself a fairytale. |
HeresyLives |
Apr-30-09 12:03 AM |
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Okay. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 12:16 AM |
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Hey, YOU asked the question. |
HeresyLives |
Apr-30-09 12:36 AM |
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Except that's not the question that was asked. It was the one you wanted to |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-30-09 07:54 PM |
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That wasn't what I asked, though. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:36 PM |
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It is. Absolutely. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-30-09 07:53 PM |
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She said in her OP that she wasn't interested in bashing of her faith. |
Quantess |
Apr-30-09 02:41 AM |
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You know, it surely sounds like you DO |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-30-09 07:53 PM |
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So you don't have any problems? |
Critters2 |
May-07-09 10:59 PM |
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That's some pretty sanctimonious bullshit right there. |
varkam |
May-01-09 10:56 PM |
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started thinking about what I believed, vs what I knew first-hand to be true. |
Voice for Peace |
Apr-29-09 11:27 PM |
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I used to believe in Santa Claus, but I don't any longer. One day I looked around and said to myself |
John Q. Citizen |
Apr-29-09 11:34 PM |
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On Santa: Why does he give the rich kids nicer presents than he gives the poor kids? |
Towlie |
Apr-29-09 11:49 PM |
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I think this was my kids' last year for Santa, too. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-29-09 11:57 PM |
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I can only remember being a little kid and afraid not to believe |
Warpy |
Apr-29-09 11:57 PM |
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That makes sense. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 12:02 AM |
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Losing my faith was kind of a divorce for me. |
elshiva |
Apr-30-09 01:03 AM |
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Thank you so much for this. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:39 PM |
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Thank you, I love your posts, too. |
elshiva |
Apr-30-09 09:33 PM |
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I'm critical of a lot of those discussions, too. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 10:11 PM |
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Yes, I get understand that, as I said, I was a Religious Studies Major in college. |
elshiva |
Apr-30-09 10:58 PM |
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I would go off on her, just like I did that Focus on the Family PR chick. |
knitter4democracy |
May-01-09 01:57 PM |
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Thank you, again. |
elshiva |
May-01-09 09:49 PM |
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My church now is a lot better, though we still have a lot of work ahead. |
knitter4democracy |
May-02-09 08:21 AM |
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I have a very good friend who's converted to Orthodoxy, |
Critters2 |
May-07-09 11:16 PM |
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They can't extrapolate because they don't want to - it would |
JerseygirlCT |
May-01-09 08:32 AM |
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Amen to all of that. |
knitter4democracy |
May-01-09 01:58 PM |
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You know, I cannot remember who it was |
JerseygirlCT |
May-01-09 02:24 PM |
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Sorry you're going through the stress and crazy. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-30-09 01:48 AM |
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first, allow me to offer my sympathies for the hurt you must be feeling in these very terrible days |
left is right |
Apr-30-09 01:52 AM |
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I think people get caught up in black and white with faith. |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-30-09 02:49 AM |
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That makes a huge amount of sense. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:43 PM |
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Pretending to believe is much like |
coyotespaw |
Apr-30-09 04:56 AM |
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God and I have an understanding. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:45 PM |
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People can use the same words without meaning the same things |
struggle4progress |
Apr-30-09 05:59 AM |
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He was doing this religion conversion to be with you |
Meshuga |
Apr-30-09 06:32 AM |
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I'm beginning to wonder about that. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:47 PM |
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"If you ever believed, how did you stop believing in anything?" |
PassingFair |
Apr-30-09 07:39 AM |
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I mean that, for those who started out in a faith, how did they leave it? |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:48 PM |
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People go through the motions with a lot of things |
Silent3 |
Apr-30-09 09:48 AM |
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To answer your question about how people can change religions |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-30-09 06:34 PM |
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We knew beforehand that we wanted to convert but waited for family. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:50 PM |
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As for "If you ever believed, how did you stop believing in anything?" |
Silent3 |
Apr-30-09 10:21 AM |
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I never stopped believing. My faith |
rrneck |
Apr-30-09 10:37 AM |
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Bless you. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:53 PM |
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A lot of people just go through the motions |
TechBear_Seattle |
Apr-30-09 10:48 AM |
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"his long-term infidelity (six years' worth)" |
ZombieHorde |
Apr-30-09 12:41 PM |
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It's been rough. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 08:55 PM |
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To answer the specific question - it's a piece of the proverbial pie |
dmallind |
Apr-30-09 02:37 PM |
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For me, facts overwhelmed the fantasy. |
stopbush |
Apr-30-09 03:18 PM |
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Fear and guilt aren't as much of a faith thing for me, though. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 09:00 PM |
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I understand. The fear and guilt is a tool to keep some people |
stopbush |
May-01-09 12:16 PM |
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I'm very sorry to hear this, Knitter |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-30-09 06:43 PM |
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I am, thank goodness. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 09:01 PM |
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Do you think perhaps that both the infidelity and the loss of faith |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-30-09 07:50 PM |
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And I do. It's just hard to see him as a totally different person now. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-30-09 09:03 PM |
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I'm so sorry, Knitter... nt |
JerseygirlCT |
May-01-09 08:26 AM |
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Here's my belated attempt. |
Igel |
May-01-09 09:01 PM |
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May-02-09 02:24 PM |
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I've never had faith, so I've never had anything to lose. |
Evoman |
May-04-09 02:20 PM |
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I stopped believing when I started thinking. |
eomer |
May-04-09 04:54 PM |
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I'm sorry this is happening, Knitter. |
raccoon |
May-06-09 08:43 AM |
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I'm sorry you're going thru such a hellish divorce, knitter. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-06-09 10:18 PM |
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Bless you. |
knitter4democracy |
May-07-09 09:21 PM |
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Thank you. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-09-09 04:47 AM |
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Then you know where I'm coming from. |
knitter4democracy |
May-09-09 10:13 AM |
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I came to the realization that I never really believed |
EvolveOrConvolve |
May-09-09 11:21 AM |
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I felt that my faith had not been of help to me in enabling me to deal with personal issues |
MikeH |
May-26-09 02:37 AM |
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Wow, Mike. Very well written account of your experience. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
May-26-09 07:57 PM |
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