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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. Amen to all of that.
I doubt anyone in the right-wing churches would recognize Jesus today. He'd be at a Catholic Worker house or homeless at a soup kitchen passing out love. He wouldn't be in front of a clear plastic pulpit holding up his latest book and expounding on wealth, that's for sure.
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  -Honest question: How does someone pretend to have a faith he doesn't believe in? knitter4democracy  Apr-29-09 11:19 PM   #0 
  - I was a medic for ten years  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-29-09 11:26 PM   #1 
  - I think that might be part of it for him, too.  knitter4democracy   Apr-29-09 11:53 PM   #7 
     - Well I understand that, I used to feel something when going to temple  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-30-09 12:32 AM   #15 
  - Has it ever done you any good?  HeresyLives   Apr-29-09 11:27 PM   #2 
  - Personally, yes.  knitter4democracy   Apr-29-09 11:51 PM   #6 
     - 'God 'doesn't seem to have helped  HeresyLives   Apr-29-09 11:55 PM   #8 
        - And that's where we disagree.  knitter4democracy   Apr-29-09 11:59 PM   #11 
        - You told yourself a fairytale.  HeresyLives   Apr-30-09 12:03 AM   #13 
           - Okay.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 12:16 AM   #14 
           - Hey, YOU asked the question.  HeresyLives   Apr-30-09 12:36 AM   #16 
           - Except that's not the question that was asked. It was the one you wanted to  JerseygirlCT   Apr-30-09 07:54 PM   #38 
           - That wasn't what I asked, though.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:36 PM   #39 
           - It is. Absolutely. nt  JerseygirlCT   Apr-30-09 07:53 PM   #37 
           - She said in her OP that she wasn't interested in bashing of her faith.  Quantess   Apr-30-09 02:41 AM   #20 
           - You know, it surely sounds like you DO  JerseygirlCT   Apr-30-09 07:53 PM   #36 
           - So you don't have any problems?  Critters2   May-07-09 10:59 PM   #70 
        - That's some pretty sanctimonious bullshit right there.  varkam   May-01-09 10:56 PM   #62 
  - started thinking about what I believed, vs what I knew first-hand to be true.  Voice for Peace   Apr-29-09 11:27 PM   #3 
  - I used to believe in Santa Claus, but I don't any longer. One day I looked around and said to myself  John Q. Citizen   Apr-29-09 11:34 PM   #4 
  - On Santa: Why does he give the rich kids nicer presents than he gives the poor kids?  Towlie   Apr-29-09 11:49 PM   #5 
  - I think this was my kids' last year for Santa, too.  knitter4democracy   Apr-29-09 11:57 PM   #9 
  - I can only remember being a little kid and afraid not to believe  Warpy   Apr-29-09 11:57 PM   #10 
  - That makes sense.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 12:02 AM   #12 
  - Losing my faith was kind of a divorce for me.  elshiva   Apr-30-09 01:03 AM   #17 
  - Thank you so much for this.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:39 PM   #40 
     - Thank you, I love your posts, too.  elshiva   Apr-30-09 09:33 PM   #51 
        - I'm critical of a lot of those discussions, too.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 10:11 PM   #52 
           - Yes, I get understand that, as I said, I was a Religious Studies Major in college.  elshiva   Apr-30-09 10:58 PM   #53 
           - I would go off on her, just like I did that Focus on the Family PR chick.  knitter4democracy   May-01-09 01:57 PM   #57 
              - Thank you, again.  elshiva   May-01-09 09:49 PM   #61 
                 - My church now is a lot better, though we still have a lot of work ahead.  knitter4democracy   May-02-09 08:21 AM   #63 
                    - I have a very good friend who's converted to Orthodoxy,  Critters2   May-07-09 11:16 PM   #71 
           - They can't extrapolate because they don't want to - it would  JerseygirlCT   May-01-09 08:32 AM   #55 
              - Amen to all of that.  knitter4democracy   May-01-09 01:58 PM   #58 
                 - You know, I cannot remember who it was  JerseygirlCT   May-01-09 02:24 PM   #59 
  - Sorry you're going through the stress and crazy.  Why Syzygy   Apr-30-09 01:48 AM   #18 
  - first, allow me to offer my sympathies for the hurt you must be feeling in these very terrible days  left is right   Apr-30-09 01:52 AM   #19 
  - I think people get caught up in black and white with faith.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-30-09 02:49 AM   #21 
  - That makes a huge amount of sense.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:43 PM   #41 
  - Pretending to believe is much like  coyotespaw   Apr-30-09 04:56 AM   #22 
  - God and I have an understanding.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:45 PM   #42 
  - People can use the same words without meaning the same things  struggle4progress   Apr-30-09 05:59 AM   #23 
  - He was doing this religion conversion to be with you  Meshuga   Apr-30-09 06:32 AM   #24 
  - I'm beginning to wonder about that.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:47 PM   #43 
  - "If you ever believed, how did you stop believing in anything?"  PassingFair   Apr-30-09 07:39 AM   #25 
  - I mean that, for those who started out in a faith, how did they leave it?  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:48 PM   #44 
  - People go through the motions with a lot of things  Silent3   Apr-30-09 09:48 AM   #26 
  - To answer your question about how people can change religions  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-30-09 06:34 PM   #33 
  - We knew beforehand that we wanted to convert but waited for family.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:50 PM   #45 
  - As for "If you ever believed, how did you stop believing in anything?"  Silent3   Apr-30-09 10:21 AM   #27 
  - I never stopped believing. My faith  rrneck   Apr-30-09 10:37 AM   #28 
  - Bless you.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:53 PM   #46 
  - A lot of people just go through the motions  TechBear_Seattle   Apr-30-09 10:48 AM   #29 
  - "his long-term infidelity (six years' worth)"  ZombieHorde   Apr-30-09 12:41 PM   #30 
  - It's been rough.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 08:55 PM   #47 
  - To answer the specific question - it's a piece of the proverbial pie  dmallind   Apr-30-09 02:37 PM   #31 
  - For me, facts overwhelmed the fantasy.  stopbush   Apr-30-09 03:18 PM   #32 
  - Fear and guilt aren't as much of a faith thing for me, though.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 09:00 PM   #48 
     - I understand. The fear and guilt is a tool to keep some people  stopbush   May-01-09 12:16 PM   #56 
  - I'm very sorry to hear this, Knitter  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-30-09 06:43 PM   #34 
  - I am, thank goodness.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 09:01 PM   #49 
  - Do you think perhaps that both the infidelity and the loss of faith  JerseygirlCT   Apr-30-09 07:50 PM   #35 
  - And I do. It's just hard to see him as a totally different person now.  knitter4democracy   Apr-30-09 09:03 PM   #50 
     - I'm so sorry, Knitter... nt  JerseygirlCT   May-01-09 08:26 AM   #54 
  - Here's my belated attempt.  Igel   May-01-09 09:01 PM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-02-09 02:24 PM   #64 
  - I've never had faith, so I've never had anything to lose.  Evoman   May-04-09 02:20 PM   #65 
  - I stopped believing when I started thinking.  eomer   May-04-09 04:54 PM   #66 
  - I'm sorry this is happening, Knitter.  raccoon   May-06-09 08:43 AM   #67 
  - I'm sorry you're going thru such a hellish divorce, knitter.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-06-09 10:18 PM   #68 
  - Bless you.  knitter4democracy   May-07-09 09:21 PM   #69 
     - Thank you.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-09-09 04:47 AM   #72 
        - Then you know where I'm coming from.  knitter4democracy   May-09-09 10:13 AM   #73 
  - I came to the realization that I never really believed  EvolveOrConvolve   May-09-09 11:21 AM   #74 
  - I felt that my faith had not been of help to me in enabling me to deal with personal issues  MikeH   May-26-09 02:37 AM   #75 
     - Wow, Mike. Very well written account of your experience.  Manifestor_of_Light   May-26-09 07:57 PM   #76 
 

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