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Tue Apr-14-09 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
| 16. Not enough people have read that book. |
| -Jesus died for your sins? |
Richard D |
Apr-14-09 03:02 PM |
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i didn't ask him to do that for me, i don't/didn't want him to do that for me |
Scout |
Apr-14-09 03:04 PM |
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Of course. |
Richard D |
Apr-14-09 03:05 PM |
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God |
spag68 |
Apr-14-09 03:47 PM |
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Its Total BS- Kind, Good People Die Horrible Deaths |
we can do it |
Apr-14-09 03:05 PM |
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That's my theory about most celebs, too. |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-14-09 03:50 PM |
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No Kidding -also Jimi Hendrix, Freddie Mercury, Heath Ledger..... |
we can do it |
Apr-14-09 04:22 PM |
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Yeah, you're with me--Chris Farley, John Belushi, Kurt Cobain.... n/t |
Goblinmonger |
Apr-14-09 09:07 PM |
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The point that Jesus loves us more than we love him is exactly the point |
CreekDog |
Apr-14-09 03:08 PM |
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Yup. I'm pretty sure he ate too much chocolate. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-14-09 03:13 PM |
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I've Been Told By My Fundamentalist Neighbor |
AldebTX |
Apr-14-09 03:14 PM |
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What I never got is the whole "sin" system in Christian Theology |
Chulanowa |
Apr-14-09 03:24 PM |
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I think it's all allegory |
Richard D |
Apr-14-09 03:32 PM |
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Not enough people have read that book. |
laconicsax |
Apr-14-09 04:39 PM |
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Haven't read it, but I'm familiar with that take on the story |
Chulanowa |
Apr-15-09 03:17 PM |
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"Sin" is literally "missing the mark" |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-14-09 09:03 PM |
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I see the Garden of Eden story as an allegorical explanation for why |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-15-09 01:01 AM |
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Thank you, I've not heard it told that way before. That's a beautiful interpretation. |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 09:31 AM |
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Oh, I understand the allegory of the Garden of Eden just fine |
Chulanowa |
Apr-15-09 03:11 PM |
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"Jesus died for somebody's sin but not mine" |
DBoon |
Apr-14-09 03:47 PM |
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I was taught that Jesus ... |
GeorgeGist |
Apr-14-09 03:53 PM |
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The price of sin is death. |
Sanctified |
Apr-14-09 04:18 PM |
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Death comes to us all. nt |
Deep13 |
Apr-15-09 03:48 PM |
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No. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-14-09 04:37 PM |
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Wasn't that all determined after the fact? |
laconicsax |
Apr-14-09 04:47 PM |
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Well you are recalling incorrectly. |
Sanctified |
Apr-14-09 04:52 PM |
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I did remember that, I was asking a slightly different question. |
laconicsax |
Apr-14-09 07:56 PM |
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No. |
Igel |
Apr-24-09 02:13 PM |
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The "died for you sins" stuff? Pretty much a later development. |
54anickel |
Apr-14-09 08:16 PM |
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Yes! Thank you. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-14-09 09:07 PM |
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I like your point on MARK. We don't know exactly who Mark is, |
saltpoint |
Apr-14-09 09:16 PM |
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Yes, of course I should have said the author of Mark - didn't think we were being that scholastic |
54anickel |
Apr-14-09 09:55 PM |
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Agree -- the Mark author isn't one for the elaborate flourish. |
saltpoint |
Apr-14-09 10:00 PM |
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There's a question that follows that. |
laconicsax |
Apr-14-09 09:26 PM |
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There could have been. I would love to know more about the narrative |
saltpoint |
Apr-14-09 09:42 PM |
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Opposition by whom? Certainly there was opposition, Peter drew his sword and hacked off the ear of |
54anickel |
Apr-14-09 10:09 PM |
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That actually raises a question that I've struggled with many times in church doctrine - |
54anickel |
Apr-14-09 11:11 PM |
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The only good answer I've heard offends the hell out of people. |
laconicsax |
Apr-15-09 12:31 AM |
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Not offended at all. My understanding is that the Gospels were written for different |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 09:15 AM |
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It certainly would have been |
GKirk |
Apr-16-09 08:52 PM |
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The Kingdom of God |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-14-09 11:16 PM |
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Only one of those says that he did. |
laconicsax |
Apr-15-09 01:10 AM |
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I just included |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 01:47 AM |
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Got it. Thanks. |
laconicsax |
Apr-15-09 04:47 PM |
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No. See post #38. nt |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-14-09 11:16 PM |
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Thanks. See post #43. |
laconicsax |
Apr-15-09 01:10 AM |
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I think Jesus died because he and his followers represented a potential |
saltpoint |
Apr-14-09 07:53 PM |
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Oh, absolutely. Though I don't think it was in the least a violent |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-14-09 09:06 PM |
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Madam, you continue to make sense on these boards generally and |
saltpoint |
Apr-14-09 09:10 PM |
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Good point! |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-14-09 09:19 PM |
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That's matter the most common way of looking at the resurrection |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-14-09 08:58 PM |
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Yep, but I disagree on the crucifixion, I don't think God caused it or made it happen, |
54anickel |
Apr-14-09 09:26 PM |
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So, what's your theory |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-14-09 11:23 PM |
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Because the priestly class wanted political power |
Meshuga |
Apr-15-09 07:00 AM |
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Do you mind |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 10:39 AM |
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Perhaps you should have PM'd your question directly to JerseygirlCT rather than post it in an open |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 10:59 AM |
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I understand the concept of discussion board. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 11:04 AM |
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Offended? Not really. Your original wording came off as rather rude and condescending |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 11:13 AM |
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I have a lot of respect for Meshuga |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 11:20 AM |
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I am not a girl |
Meshuga |
Apr-15-09 11:45 AM |
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Oh for pity's sake. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 12:21 PM |
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I am not an atheist and 54anickel is a Christian |
Meshuga |
Apr-15-09 12:36 PM |
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Two against one. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 12:39 PM |
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I don't know 54anickel enough to say she is teaming up with me... |
Meshuga |
Apr-15-09 01:06 PM |
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So, am I considered a *gasp* non-Christian in your view? Just curious...regardless of the answer, |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 12:20 PM |
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What? |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 12:26 PM |
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I guess it was the closing comment on your post #53. |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 12:36 PM |
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Right. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 12:41 PM |
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Wow. Guess you didn't pay much attention to my conversation with "atheists". Or you'd have noticed |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 01:07 PM |
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I appreciate your posts and your intrusion |
Meshuga |
Apr-15-09 01:21 PM |
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It is a facinating study, the "evolution" of Christology. I appreciate your insights, though I |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 02:03 PM |
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It is Jewish Tradition |
Meshuga |
Apr-15-09 03:02 PM |
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I must plead ignorance on the names, yet we seem to share interest in similar subject matters of |
54anickel |
Apr-15-09 05:08 PM |
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Yes, there is a parallel in our interests in regards to our respective religions |
Meshuga |
Apr-15-09 09:46 PM |
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You don't want to read my two cents. |
Meshuga |
Apr-15-09 11:39 AM |
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It is puzzling how quick Christians are to start a war over nothing. |
heidler1 |
Apr-15-09 03:45 PM |
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What isn't the least puzzling |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 04:01 PM |
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I want to come back to this question. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-15-09 06:49 PM |
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You have surprised me, Thank you for your generous offer. |
heidler1 |
Apr-16-09 01:33 AM |
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The offer stands. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-16-09 10:36 AM |
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I replied to your private message. |
heidler1 |
Apr-16-09 12:44 PM |
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I think that's being sort of rough |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-15-09 07:23 PM |
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how does one person replying block another from replying? nt |
Muttocracy |
Apr-15-09 09:23 PM |
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One interpretation I've heard recently of the |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-15-09 07:22 PM |
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That marks the official break. |
Meshuga |
Apr-17-09 01:46 PM |
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I'd guess that those were more a function of the culture at the |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-15-09 07:20 PM |
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The anonymous old woman or young man or school teacher or |
saltpoint |
Apr-14-09 09:51 PM |
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How does letting an innocent man die make us less guilty? |
Deep13 |
Apr-15-09 03:47 PM |
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I agree plus this imaginary god is so vengefully that if it turned out to all come true. |
heidler1 |
Apr-15-09 06:08 PM |
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That was my first-ever doubt as a 7-year-old believer, and the one |
iris27 |
Apr-15-09 10:44 PM |
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It's interesting. Confronted with ideas like the one |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-16-09 09:39 AM |
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Yes, I had a similar experience. Just found a lot of the church teachings weren't meshing with my |
54anickel |
Apr-16-09 10:16 AM |
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If I may play the devil's advocate: |
Jokerman |
Apr-16-09 10:16 AM |
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No empirical proof. Just my judgement |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-16-09 10:38 AM |
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"So I'm quite content to believe as I do, and if it turns out I've had it all wrong, then I think my |
Evoman |
Apr-16-09 08:26 PM |
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When |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-16-09 08:57 PM |
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Again, it's an idea entirely at odds with the idea of a loving God |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-17-09 01:12 PM |
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Unless the authoritarians are right.... |
Evoman |
Apr-17-09 01:18 PM |
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You are lucky that your |
Meshuga |
Apr-17-09 01:41 PM |
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They aren't oval, they are spherical. Canadian scientists use them to calibrate |
Evoman |
Apr-17-09 02:33 PM |
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Yes they are very important to calibrate instruments |
Meshuga |
Apr-17-09 03:22 PM |
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I'm rather looking forward to watching them learn the hard lesson |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-17-09 01:57 PM |
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Thomas B. Thayer (snipped) |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-17-09 01:58 PM |
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And yet, look what humankind has done to it over the years |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-17-09 02:18 PM |
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The driving force. |
Why Syzygy |
Apr-17-09 02:25 PM |
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I hope your right....I would hate to spend the rest of eternity with the devil stabbing my ballz |
Evoman |
Apr-17-09 01:14 PM |
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Evo, have you thought about getting some help for that |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-17-09 01:58 PM |
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Yes, I've gotten help with my preoccupation. It was fun. Now I'm looking for more help. |
Evoman |
Apr-17-09 02:02 PM |
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You're on a roll today, aren't you? nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-17-09 02:16 PM |
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Well, we'll be roasting together then, huh? |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-17-09 01:08 PM |
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Yes, I suppose. I'm wondering if hell has anything like marshmallows. |
Evoman |
Apr-17-09 01:15 PM |
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LOL. You're such a guy. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-17-09 01:55 PM |
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I can't help it, it's glandular. |
Evoman |
Apr-17-09 02:03 PM |
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LOL! Thanks, I needed that. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-17-09 02:15 PM |
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I don't see the Crucifixion as Jesus dying for our sins to appease an angry God. |
deutsey |
Apr-17-09 08:46 AM |
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What The Heck Is Your Problem!!! |
ChelseaCenior |
Apr-17-09 03:58 PM |
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One more thing |
ChelseaCenior |
Apr-17-09 04:00 PM |
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Guilt and Fear are the prime motivators of Evangelical Christianity |
Taverner |
Apr-21-09 11:50 AM |
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Anyway he did not existe, so why they care about my behaviour ?.... |
Sandrine for you |
Apr-24-09 09:55 PM |
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