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Response to Reply #122
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Good thing I am far away from any volcanos!
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  -Are We To Respect A Person's Beliefs, Or Only Their Right To Believe? stopbush  Apr-01-09 04:08 PM   #0 
  - Last time I check in this country, we can 'Believe' anything we want.  rd_kent   Apr-01-09 04:13 PM   #1 
  - But, could you be more of a DICK about it?  CBGLuthier   Apr-01-09 04:19 PM   #6 
  - Stop legislating your morality and they'll probably stop "being dicks about it".  MercutioATC   Apr-01-09 04:26 PM   #13 
  - I don't legislate dick. since the election, it will be even less possible.  roguevalley   Apr-02-09 03:56 PM   #136 
  - Haven't atheists legislated their morality?  timtom   Apr-04-09 06:16 AM   #203 
     - Yes. It's called The Constitution.  stopbush   Apr-06-09 11:42 AM   #206 
  - Explain what you mean.  Deep13   Apr-01-09 04:33 PM   #20 
  - Ever have you son lose his best friend because dad was dick  HelenWheels   Apr-01-09 04:51 PM   #37 
  - Yes.  Deep13   Apr-01-09 04:54 PM   #42 
  - omg..that is horrible. what ignorance!  krabigirl   Apr-01-09 05:16 PM   #55 
  - Yes, we atheists are supposed to act nice and understanding  stopbush   Apr-01-09 04:59 PM   #45 
  - That's my understanding of it.  Deep13   Apr-01-09 05:22 PM   #60 
  - No, but there's a difference between telling Mormons and JW's who  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-01-09 05:37 PM   #71 
     - I'd say there's no difference between telling them not to bother you  stopbush   Apr-01-09 11:41 PM   #97 
        - I've never seen it happen in real life, but the equivalent action  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-03-09 10:03 AM   #175 
           - In debate, I like to distinguish argument from intuition.  stopbush   Apr-03-09 02:18 PM   #176 
  - You really believe that?  Marr   Apr-01-09 05:43 PM   #76 
  - I call bullshit on your story  demwing   Apr-01-09 07:33 PM   #81 
     - I call bullshit on your bullshit.  PassingFair   Apr-02-09 08:06 AM   #105 
        - Wow. Go figure. It's a Religion/Theology forum  demwing   Apr-02-09 11:28 AM   #119 
        - I am into discussion.  PassingFair   Apr-02-09 08:26 PM   #155 
        - Perhaps you should ask the Mormons: I think there have been a number here who  struggle4progress   Apr-09-09 10:01 PM   #213 
  - Would being a "dick" about it include knocking on your door  rd_kent   Apr-06-09 07:45 PM   #211 
  - So much for basic courtessy; "agree to disagree"?  Deja Q   Apr-01-09 04:29 PM   #16 
     - Can you name one POSITIVE sterotype that the religious hold  stopbush   Apr-01-09 05:01 PM   #47 
        - I know better than to stereotype the non-religious  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-01-09 05:39 PM   #73 
        - Agree with Lydia....  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 01:53 PM   #129 
        - Are there any stereotypes that are worth holding?  JerseygirlCT   Apr-01-09 09:10 PM   #91 
  - If respect means "Don't get in their face about it" then maybe it's okay.  FiveGoodMen   Apr-01-09 04:15 PM   #2 
  - This probably stems from the proselytizing stance of so many religions.  arbusto_baboso   Apr-01-09 04:20 PM   #8 
  - I completely agree  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 04:26 PM   #12 
  - There's nothing at all disrespectful about saying you don't think  JerseygirlCT   Apr-01-09 08:14 PM   #85 
     - I would never call a religious person (and I'm related to some) and idiot...  PassingFair   Apr-02-09 08:13 AM   #106 
     - I think either is rude, to be honest  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 08:29 AM   #107 
        - I have a friend who believes in tarot readings and crystal ball fortunes.  PassingFair   Apr-02-09 09:04 AM   #112 
           - The point is that your opinion about what she believes is  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 12:51 PM   #123 
              - Why do you say that there's no point in sharing your thoughts  stopbush   Apr-02-09 01:50 PM   #128 
                 - Do you realize what you sound like?  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 02:54 PM   #135 
                    - I calls 'em like I sees 'em.  stopbush   Apr-02-09 04:15 PM   #137 
                    - What if the person isn't interested in having that conversation with you?  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 04:17 PM   #138 
                       - No, I wouldn't have the conversation with them.  stopbush   Apr-02-09 04:29 PM   #139 
                       - I grew up in Little Silver...  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 06:52 PM   #147 
                          - Right around my neck of the woods, too!  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 07:07 PM   #151 
                          - Well, I now live in OC, CA, 6 miles from the ocean. I missed the Jersey beach but the ones in SoCal  stopbush   Apr-02-09 10:59 PM   #162 
                             - They really don't know from beaches here in CT  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 02:23 PM   #177 
                          - I grew up in Eatontown  Meshuga   Apr-02-09 08:35 PM   #156 
                             - This is too funny!  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 08:56 PM   #157 
                             - Funny indeed  Meshuga   Apr-02-09 09:28 PM   #158 
                             - I worked in Oakhurst right on Rt 35.  stopbush   Apr-02-09 10:57 PM   #161 
                             - 35 and 36 are the main veins for us there  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 06:39 AM   #171 
                                - Atilos! Man, I loved that place. Best pizza one could find outside of NYC.  stopbush   Apr-03-09 09:51 AM   #174 
                                - "Hey, is Strollo's still in biz over by the state beach?"  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 02:59 PM   #184 
                                - Cluck U!  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 02:24 PM   #178 
                                   - I was surprised to find a franchise down here in MD  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 03:03 PM   #186 
                                      - Like Jersey Mike's?  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 03:15 PM   #187 
                                         - That's a shame  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 03:45 PM   #189 
                                         - I know - what are you supposed to do at 3 am? nt  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 04:44 PM   #191 
                             - Wow...  Dorian Gray   Apr-03-09 04:42 AM   #169 
                                - Good old Monmouth Mall!  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 06:23 AM   #170 
                       - Many of us feel that religion does much harm in society.  FiveGoodMen   Apr-02-09 06:12 PM   #143 
                          - I would imagine we all have the same side in that fight.  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 07:16 PM   #153 
                    - BTW, JerseyGirl, where do you stand on  stopbush   Apr-02-09 04:34 PM   #140 
                       - I can answer for myself (in lieu of Jersey Girl)  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 06:57 PM   #148 
                       - Oh good grief, no!  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 07:11 PM   #152 
                          - I can't resist, so here goes:  stopbush   Apr-02-09 11:07 PM   #163 
                             - And the liberal Christians who hang here take crap from all sides  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 07:08 AM   #172 
                             - Let me be clear - I believe moderate Christians hold beliefs that are just as fantasy-based  stopbush   Apr-03-09 09:46 AM   #173 
                             - Ok, one at a time:  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 02:33 PM   #181 
                             - So basically, you have an interpretation of Christianity that suits you,  stopbush   Apr-03-09 04:58 PM   #192 
                                - Let me try this again  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 07:08 PM   #195 
                                   - The cherry picking began with the Pharisees,  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 08:43 PM   #197 
                                   - Thanks for the response. Let me try again.  stopbush   Apr-03-09 08:57 PM   #198 
                                      - Part of where we might be missing one another here  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 09:06 PM   #199 
                                         - Yes. I view Mark's Gospel as an allegorical fiction, not as a history.  stopbush   Apr-03-09 09:27 PM   #200 
                             - Of course one is still a "religionist"  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 02:51 PM   #183 
                                - Well said  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 03:21 PM   #188 
                                - And there is also the fact that your religion  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 03:59 PM   #190 
                                - I don't know what a "fundamentalist atheist" is,  stopbush   Apr-03-09 05:06 PM   #193 
                                   - I don't know what a "fundamentalist atheist" is either  Meshuga   Apr-03-09 08:18 PM   #196 
                             - Thanks, Meshuga. That's about the size of it. nt  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 02:27 PM   #180 
                             - Sure I do  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 02:26 PM   #179 
     - If I feel so disrespectful of a viewpoint that I say nothing this means I feel sorry for them.  heidler1   Apr-02-09 06:44 PM   #145 
  - I really don't care what a person believes  nichomachus   Apr-01-09 04:15 PM   #3 
  - Let me ask you a question, Nichomachus.  timtom   Apr-04-09 06:36 AM   #204 
     - You ask, "What is the atheist's moral authority?"  stopbush   Apr-06-09 02:59 PM   #207 
  - Well stated....  WCGreen   Apr-01-09 04:17 PM   #4 
  - The Flying Spaghetti Monster guided your hands while you were typing that  B o d i   Apr-01-09 04:18 PM   #5 
  - Good post.  DavidDvorkin   Apr-01-09 04:20 PM   #7 
  - No one should think anyone has a duty to respect their beliefs.  TexasObserver   Apr-01-09 04:23 PM   #9 
  - yup yup  annabanana   Apr-01-09 04:58 PM   #44 
  - "your make believe friend"  Matariki   Apr-01-09 04:24 PM   #10 
  - Point taken, except that many religious folks mock those of other religions  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 04:28 PM   #15 
  - Because without proof, it's make-beleive.  rd_kent   Apr-06-09 07:54 PM   #212 
  - I have said for years, I respect the right, not the belief  bread_and_roses   Apr-01-09 04:24 PM   #11 
  - your "beliefs" fine, your implentation of those "beliefs", maybe NOT nt  msongs   Apr-01-09 04:27 PM   #14 
  - I agree with you.  timtom   Apr-04-09 06:40 AM   #205 
     - Are you saying that the man Bonhoeffer absent his religous beliefs  stopbush   Apr-06-09 03:06 PM   #208 
  - Only the right to believe  slackmaster   Apr-01-09 04:30 PM   #17 
  - You're missing a component.  yewberry   Apr-01-09 04:31 PM   #18 
  - Someone else's beliefs are not open to debate?  Lex   Apr-01-09 04:34 PM   #22 
  - Ummm, yes.  yewberry   Apr-01-09 04:39 PM   #26 
     - Not buying it.  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 04:41 PM   #27 
        - I think I've not explained myself clearly.  yewberry   Apr-01-09 04:49 PM   #36 
           - Beliefs on abortion and freedom are meaningful and real to people as well.  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 04:52 PM   #40 
              - Beliefs re: abortion or freedom do not play the role of faith.  yewberry   Apr-01-09 05:10 PM   #51 
                 - Why is religious faith not an opinion?  stopbush   Apr-01-09 06:59 PM   #80 
                    - Because "faith" in this context is fundamental  yewberry   Apr-02-09 12:46 AM   #101 
                       - Then I'm being disrespectful, because I strenuously question the having of faith -  stopbush   Apr-02-09 01:01 AM   #102 
                       - If I read you correctly  ironbark   Apr-02-09 05:07 AM   #103 
                       - Yes, faith is so fundamental to a person's understanding of self  stopbush   Apr-02-09 11:50 PM   #166 
  - "...Not open to debate..."  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 04:36 PM   #23 
  - Those are opinions, not religious belief.  yewberry   Apr-01-09 04:44 PM   #29 
     - Telling people they can't question is not respectful IMO.  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 04:45 PM   #31 
  - I disagree. I believe that all beliefs - especially if they are unproven - are  stopbush   Apr-01-09 04:44 PM   #30 
  - Basic miscommunication  yewberry   Apr-01-09 05:01 PM   #46 
  - Except for the fact that a lot of people accept falsehoods and resist facts because of that faith  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 05:20 PM   #56 
  - That's true,  yewberry   Apr-01-09 05:30 PM   # 
  - I think maybe you're overestimating the value of faith.  stopbush   Apr-02-09 12:02 AM   #98 
  - If they were proven (or able to be so), they'd cease to be "beliefs" nt  JerseygirlCT   Apr-01-09 09:12 PM   #92 
     - Yes. They would then be called science.  stopbush   Apr-02-09 11:51 PM   #167 
  - I don't think that was missed in the OP.  ColbertWatcher   Apr-01-09 04:48 PM   #34 
  - Nobody has a guaranteed right to politeness  WeDidIt   Apr-01-09 05:37 PM   #70 
  - Until they are intentionally rude, they have a right to civility.  Igel   Apr-01-09 08:27 PM   #88 
  - I agree until the debate part  JerseygirlCT   Apr-01-09 08:16 PM   #86 
  - Exactly. I also respect people's right to say things, even if I disagree  Lex   Apr-01-09 04:32 PM   #19 
  - Basically, people need to mind their own business.  AndyA   Apr-01-09 04:34 PM   #21 
  - Not at all. The only time I go for atheists is when they force their opinions  Joe Chi Minh   Apr-01-09 04:36 PM   #24 
  - Religion is expressed and imposed upon us everywhere.  Deep13   Apr-01-09 04:52 PM   #39 
  - Too far apart for us to meaningfully discuss.  Joe Chi Minh   Apr-01-09 05:04 PM   #49 
     - sorry  Deep13   Apr-01-09 05:20 PM   #57 
  - It's pretty clear that you haven't a clue who 'most' of the  enlightenment   Apr-01-09 05:30 PM   #64 
  - I liked your headline  Lerkfish   Apr-01-09 04:38 PM   #25 
  - I can't choose what to respect or what not to.  Deep13   Apr-01-09 04:42 PM   #28 
  - Is respect an emotion  Dorian Gray   Apr-01-09 05:21 PM   #58 
     - I think subjectively it is a mix of emotion and thought.  Deep13   Apr-01-09 05:37 PM   #72 
     - I'm glad you rebuilt your relationship with your mother...  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 02:07 PM   #130 
     - Beautifully said  Meshuga   Apr-01-09 07:39 PM   #83 
  - Complicated question. I used to believe that I had no obligation to respect anyone else's  Mike 03   Apr-01-09 04:47 PM   #32 
  - Very good approach!  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-01-09 05:40 PM   #75 
  - That works  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 08:57 AM   #109 
     - I think that it's important to point out here  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 02:10 PM   #131 
        - Oh absolutely!  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 02:47 PM   #133 
  - One can disagree without being disagreeable.  Seeking Serenity   Apr-01-09 04:48 PM   #33 
  - Absolutely. I didn't think that was such a difficult concept  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 08:59 AM   #111 
  - Love the believer, mock the beliefs.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Apr-01-09 04:48 PM   #35 
  - Oh yes  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 08:58 AM   #110 
     - You know I love you! But I mock christianity all the freakin time.  Evoman   Apr-02-09 09:51 AM   #115 
        - You are just in a category all by yourself.  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 12:53 PM   #124 
  - The only thing that people seem to find ruder than questioning religion is questioning the cuteness  Evoman   Apr-01-09 04:51 PM   #38 
  - It is the rare newborn that is cute - but you too, Evo, would  enlightenment   Apr-01-09 05:40 PM   #74 
  - There's always that gray area where parity breaks down.  immoderate   Apr-01-09 04:54 PM   #41 
  - The latter -unless they shove it down my throat and/or act persecuted  liberalsince1968   Apr-01-09 04:56 PM   #43 
  - "'Conspiracy stuff' is now shorthand for unspeakable truth." - Gore Vidal  Echo In Light   Apr-01-09 05:01 PM   #48 
  - Only their right to believe.  Arugula Latte   Apr-01-09 05:08 PM   #50 
  - You don't need to respect anything you don't want to  Dorian Gray   Apr-01-09 05:14 PM   #52 
  - "An (if) it harm none, do as thou wilt."  MorningGlow   Apr-01-09 05:15 PM   #53 
  - One bone to pick  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 05:23 PM   #61 
     - You're right--that was an accidental omission on my part  MorningGlow   Apr-01-09 05:28 PM   #63 
        - Oh, ok  ihavenobias   Apr-01-09 05:30 PM   #65 
  - They have a right to believe in what they want. I have a right to mock it.  AndrewP   Apr-01-09 05:15 PM   #54 
  - What if name-calling leads to real violence?  Echo In Light   Apr-01-09 05:22 PM   #59 
     - then whoever started the violence is/should be in some deep shit n/t  Scout   Apr-01-09 05:32 PM   #67 
        - It gets tricky tho. Internet forum "reality" doesn't have the same potential for violent consequence  Echo In Light   Apr-01-09 05:58 PM   #77 
  - There are some control freaks on this board who  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-01-09 05:28 PM   #62 
  - Well put, LL  MorningGlow   Apr-01-09 05:30 PM   #66 
  - Well reasoned post. Kudos  Echo In Light   Apr-01-09 06:46 PM   #79 
  - Excellent. Well said. nt  JerseygirlCT   Apr-01-09 08:26 PM   #87 
  - Funny how you term vocal atheists "control freaks"  stopbush   Apr-02-09 12:59 PM   #125 
     - You are speaking in extraordinarily  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 02:14 PM   #132 
     - My post first addresses specifics from LL's post  stopbush   Apr-02-09 02:51 PM   #134 
        - Why should there be a  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 06:49 PM   #146 
           - I agree  JerseygirlCT   Apr-02-09 07:19 PM   #154 
              - I find it amusing that you or any other Christian would feel the least bit of  stopbush   Apr-02-09 11:23 PM   #165 
                 - I'm interested in just where you think  JerseygirlCT   Apr-03-09 02:37 PM   #182 
                    - Here ya go:  stopbush   Apr-06-09 04:57 PM   #210 
     - This seems to be the main mantra  skepticscott   Apr-02-09 05:42 PM   #142 
        - Perhaps....  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 06:59 PM   #149 
  - It's pretty fucking hard to respect some beliefs  WeDidIt   Apr-01-09 05:35 PM   #68 
  - Sam Harris on conversational intolerance of religion  HarveyDarkey   Apr-01-09 05:36 PM   #69 
  - I don't respect ANY religious belief  cosmik debris   Apr-01-09 06:14 PM   #78 
  - Respect the person....and their beliefs.  Sal316   Apr-01-09 07:38 PM   #82 
  - What if showing respect is self-defeating for you?  Silent3   Apr-01-09 08:41 PM   #89 
     - I didn't say you had to agree with them....  Sal316   Apr-02-09 12:28 AM   #100 
        - I don't go out of my way to either validate or invalidate...  Silent3   Apr-02-09 06:45 AM   #104 
  - I think you, and everyone, ought to respect others. You do not  JerseygirlCT   Apr-01-09 08:12 PM   #84 
  - I think we should respect a person's right to believe, but I also think a part of that...  varkam   Apr-01-09 08:43 PM   #90 
  - Are We To Respect Atheists Lack of Belief, Or Only The Right Of Some To Behave Like Assholes?  kwassa   Apr-01-09 09:21 PM   #93 
  - Well that added a lot to the conversation.  Goblinmonger   Apr-02-09 09:09 AM   #113 
  - Is there a difference for you between disrespecting ideas and disrespecting people?  Evoman   Apr-02-09 09:46 AM   #114 
     - I've said many times: Faith is experiential, not intellectual  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-02-09 05:42 PM   #141 
        - So if faith has no intellectual component  skepticscott   Apr-02-09 09:51 PM   #159 
        - No, you can still try to describe the indescribable  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-02-09 10:22 PM   #160 
           - "...describe the indescribable..."  rrneck   Apr-03-09 01:11 AM   #168 
           - If that really were the case  skepticscott   Apr-03-09 06:08 PM   #194 
        - I've gone on record as saying that one of the few advantages of religion is the fellowship.  Evoman   Apr-02-09 11:20 PM   #164 
           - I'm sure the Branch Davidians  skepticscott   Apr-04-09 06:11 AM   #201 
              - I'm all up for fellowship until somebody asks me to cut off my balls,.  Evoman   Apr-06-09 04:40 PM   #209 
  - Obviously, no one is "required" to respect another's beliefs.  Beregond2   Apr-01-09 09:25 PM   #94 
  - Much of what you call faith sounds just like "clinging to a rock in the middle of a raging river"  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-04-09 06:11 AM   #202 
  - I'll respect people's right to believe whatever they like  Rob H.   Apr-01-09 09:26 PM   #95 
  - Respect the right to believe and leave it there.  laconicsax   Apr-01-09 10:41 PM   #96 
  - It depends  rrneck   Apr-02-09 12:07 AM   #99 
  - I respect people's right to believe until the time that those beliefs harm others.  Marrah_G   Apr-02-09 08:35 AM   #108 
  - It's that kind of piss poor, narrow-minded attitude...  Silent3   Apr-02-09 10:11 AM   #116 
  - The Volcano GodESS will just have to get over it then !  Marrah_G   Apr-02-09 12:01 PM   #121 
     - Considering how volcanos love to erupt and spew all over the face...  Silent3   Apr-02-09 12:42 PM   #122 
        - ...............  Marrah_G   Apr-02-09 01:04 PM   #126 
  - At what point does one decide harm has been committed?  stopbush   Apr-02-09 10:29 AM   #117 
     - And that is why I have no respect for the BSA  Marrah_G   Apr-02-09 12:00 PM   #120 
  - I see absolutely no reason to respect anyone's faith  Neo Atheist   Apr-02-09 10:40 AM   #118 
  - Respect both at a funeral, respect neither on a religious debate board. nt  ZombieHorde   Apr-02-09 01:21 PM   #127 
  - Well said!  FiveGoodMen   Apr-02-09 06:14 PM   #144 
  - Well... that is a good point....  Dorian Gray   Apr-02-09 07:01 PM   #150 
  - There are quite a few beliefs out there I have zero respect for  Warpy   Apr-03-09 03:02 PM   #185 
 

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