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Reply #45: It works better than ignoring or misrepresenting what is said to you. [View All]

ironbark

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Fri Apr-03-09 03:12 AM
Response to Reply #44

45. It works better than ignoring or misrepresenting what is said to you.

“"the central philosophical underpinnings of the Communist leadership" was dictatorship of the proletariat and absolute power of the the communist party.”

This has (unlike the points/questions put to you) already been answered-
"You can’t have it both ways…you can’t (logically) ignore the central teachings of Christianity and then make it ‘one cause’ to be “isolated” in the Crusades and at the same time pretend atheism was peripheral to the communism that perpetrated the Gulags.
If atheists on the board wish to continue to do so they will need to find quotes from Jesus advocating invasion, persecution and death of enemies that compare with the quotes from the communist leadership advocating atheism and the destruction of religion".

Deal.

“You are certainly on the wrong track thinking that Christian leaders did not invoke god to inspire the crusades.” Cosmic

Once more and for the last time. I never said, suggested or inferred >anything< about “christian leaders” other than a bloke called Jesus.

If you cannot/will not respond to what is actually said to you rather than inventing, misrepresenting and projecting povs onto me I am obliged (as I was last time) to abandon talking to someone who prefers talking to himself. Your call. You wanna converse on this or any other topic- stop manufacturing and projecting my pov for me.

Last try-
“"the central philosophical underpinnings of the Communist leadership" was dictatorship of the proletariat and absolute power of the communist party.

Are you taking that from the Communist Party Manifesto Cosmic? Or making it up for them?
The way I remember the party’s central philosophy it had to do with the liberation of the worker (from capitalism and religion) and international solidarity.
(Perhaps you are having difficulty separating philosophy from action? What they said from what they did? )

So I ask again…..Can you find within the central underpinning philosophy of Christianity any instruction or justification regarding the Crusades?

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-Because of the crusades and the inquisition.....	Help_I_Live_In_Idaho	Mar-31-09 06:11 PM	#0
- Give me your address, and I'll send you some literature	Orrex	Mar-31-09 06:11 PM	#1
- In the form of a baseball bat - I'm sure	Help_I_Live_In_Idaho	Mar-31-09 06:13 PM	#3
- If that's your preferred medium, then sure!	Orrex	Mar-31-09 06:13 PM	#4
- Cleanse me of my sins brother	Help_I_Live_In_Idaho	Mar-31-09 06:17 PM	#6
- I have better rares than mediums.	Occam Bandage	Mar-31-09 06:22 PM	#8
- Well done!	Orrex	Mar-31-09 07:37 PM	#16
- So what about the crusades and the inquisition?	Occam Bandage	Mar-31-09 06:12 PM	#2
- They are The Christian Way	Help_I_Live_In_Idaho	Mar-31-09 06:14 PM	#5
- Bullshit	regnaD kciN	Mar-31-09 06:22 PM	#9
- Were the actions of Pol Pot and the Soviet Gulags done in the name of no God?	ZombieHorde	Mar-31-09 06:36 PM	#11
- As were the Crusades.	plantwomyn	Mar-31-09 06:39 PM	#12
- I think that the Crusades were an attempt to redirect the fractured militarism of post-Viking Europe	Occam Bandage	Mar-31-09 08:22 PM	#18
- I think that the Inquisition was primarily done to strengthen the power of the Spanish Crown	Occam Bandage	Mar-31-09 08:13 PM	#17
- True. People	rrneck	Mar-31-09 08:33 PM	#19
- Funny how	skepticscott	Mar-31-09 09:18 PM	#20
- "People persecuting each other" is quite vague, and "people torturing/slaughtering each other"	Occam Bandage	Mar-31-09 10:05 PM	#21
- The claim that	skepticscott	Apr-01-09 05:00 PM	#36
- I think you're arguing against a slightly different claim than the one I made.	Occam Bandage	Apr-02-09 11:52 AM	#40
- Subject line.	ZombieHorde	Mar-31-09 10:18 PM	#22
- I use a time machine and strap them to a polygraph. nt	Occam Bandage	Mar-31-09 10:36 PM	#24
- Subject line the second.	ZombieHorde	Mar-31-09 11:30 PM	#25
- It didn't. That was done because Galileo obliquely called the Pope an idiot.	Occam Bandage	Apr-01-09 04:25 PM	#31
- Que?	cosmik debris	Apr-01-09 04:28 PM	#32
- Galileo was persecuted by the Roman Inquisition.	Occam Bandage	Apr-01-09 04:33 PM	#34
- OK	cosmik debris	Apr-01-09 04:36 PM	#35
- He was not Spanish, but he was a victim of the Inquisition.	ZombieHorde	Apr-02-09 01:02 PM	#41
- Yes	ironbark	Apr-01-09 04:03 AM	#28
- Of your six quotes, only the sixth addresses the issue, I am not sure what you were thinking with	ZombieHorde	Apr-01-09 06:03 AM	#29
- Luke 14:26	Occam Bandage	Apr-01-09 04:32 PM	#33
- So…let’s get this straight….	ironbark	Apr-02-09 04:35 AM	#37
- How did you manage to isolate that one cause?	cosmik debris	Apr-02-09 08:10 AM	#38
- By following the trail of dead bodies	ironbark	Apr-02-09 03:00 PM	#42
- That doesn't work	cosmik debris	Apr-02-09 10:23 PM	#44
- It works better than ignoring or misrepresenting what is said to you.	ironbark	Apr-03-09 03:12 AM	#45
- There is an obvious flaw in your supposed "logic"	cosmik debris	Apr-03-09 07:30 AM	#47
- To claim that atheism is "central" to communism is embarassingly agenda-driven.	Occam Bandage	Apr-02-09 09:27 AM	#39
- Tell it to those who lived through it	ironbark	Apr-02-09 04:11 PM	#43
- I made the argument that the claim that atheism was central to Communism was agenda-driven.	Occam Bandage	Apr-03-09 09:09 AM	#48
- I’d like to make clear distinction	ironbark	Apr-03-09 06:14 PM	#49
- Read much? nt	plantwomyn	Mar-31-09 06:41 PM	#13
- I disagree. IMO they are an expression of the dark side of the Western worldview	Odin2005	Apr-01-09 12:47 AM	#26
- Nice post	ironbark	Apr-03-09 03:58 AM	#46
- We got Algebra from the Arabs, Geometry from the Greeks. Calculus is our gift to mankind.	Odin2005	Apr-05-09 11:40 PM	#50
- A crusader and an inquisitor went to a restaurant	Orrex	Mar-31-09 06:18 PM	#7
- Maybe you need to move into a more rural area	plantwomyn	Mar-31-09 06:36 PM	#10
- Please don't hold anything back, tell us how you really feel. n/t	jody	Mar-31-09 06:44 PM	#14
- Now don't forget that the Jehovah's Witnesses are responsible ..	Traveling_Home	Mar-31-09 07:11 PM	#15
- Hi Revolution	JustCommonSense	Mar-31-09 10:24 PM	#23
- I'm willing to let that stuff stay in the past and not judge religious people based on it.	Evoman	Apr-01-09 12:50 AM	#27
- Sorry	JustCommonSense	Apr-01-09 01:05 PM	#30

Reply #45: It works better than ignoring or misrepresenting what is said to you. [View All]