Uncle Joe
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Tue Mar-31-09 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #16 |
| 19. Not I, my belief is that was the minister's motivation on the link of the O.P. |
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... Take a look at how the word "liberal" has been demonized, in spite of the virtuous aspects of it's definition. How do you believe this minister's flock would view "reason" as he promotes it? If reason is trashed as a consideration by the faithful, they cynical manipulators of faith will go on to use fear to squash reason.
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| -The Problem With Demonizing the Word "Faith" Is In Giving Up Your Own Power |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 03:27 PM |
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Oh, you were doing so well until you got to this: |
Warpy |
Mar-31-09 03:37 PM |
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Exactly - it's like saying that atheists are making a calculated gamble |
Hugabear |
Mar-31-09 03:45 PM |
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See: Pascal's Wager, and |
Sinistrous |
Mar-31-09 04:03 PM |
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Everybody makes calculated gambles everyday of their life. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:10 PM |
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Do you realize the horrible equivocation of the word "faith" you're performing? |
trotsky |
Mar-31-09 04:43 PM |
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Not I, my belief is that was the minister's motivation on the link of the O.P. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 05:21 PM |
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Nope |
JustCommonSense |
Mar-31-09 04:21 PM |
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"Anything believed" |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:06 PM |
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"faith" debate |
JustCommonSense |
Mar-31-09 04:09 PM |
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Welcome to D.U. JustCommonSense. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:16 PM |
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Thanks - and peace to you as well. |
JustCommonSense |
Mar-31-09 04:30 PM |
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No my feelings are the same, welcome. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:35 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-31-09 04:37 PM |
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Peace be with you |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-31-09 04:35 PM |
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Reasonable argument |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-31-09 04:32 PM |
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My belief is that I know nothing. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:39 PM |
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I share your belief Uncle Joe |
ironbark |
Apr-01-09 07:16 AM |
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Ditto bro! |
JustCommonSense |
Apr-01-09 12:57 PM |
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Do you believe in Luke Skywalker? |
Meshuga |
Mar-31-09 04:39 PM |
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Do you believe science or physics has reached it's total culmination |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 05:12 PM |
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I don't believe that science or physics has reached its total culmination |
Meshuga |
Mar-31-09 07:51 PM |
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You may wish to research the difference between "strong" and "weak" atheism |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-31-09 04:53 PM |
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I believe, it's not possible to "not believe" without believing. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 05:25 PM |
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You're describing your own limitation |
Warpy |
Mar-31-09 10:48 PM |
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That is stated very clearly Uncle Joe. |
cambie |
Mar-31-09 11:59 PM |
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Is there no difference between believing you believe something and believing in God, for example? |
BurtWorm |
Apr-02-09 09:57 AM |
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There is a qualitative difference of degree but they're essentially the same. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-02-09 03:18 PM |
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You might think of the basic sort of faith you're talking about as an evolutionary adaptation. |
BurtWorm |
Apr-03-09 10:11 AM |
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Per my post #57, I don't view that sign as an affirmation of faith so much as a lack of it. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-03-09 10:34 AM |
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But there are many people--more and more, in fact--who are living without faith in a creator. |
BurtWorm |
Apr-03-09 11:01 AM |
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Throughout human history, belief in religious/spiritual matters have run through cycles, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-03-09 11:37 AM |
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Until you're capable |
skepticscott |
Apr-02-09 05:05 PM |
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I don't associate any "power" with the word "faith" that I mind giving up. |
Silent3 |
Mar-31-09 07:45 PM |
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You're an intelligent person and as such I wouldn't expect you |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 03:06 PM |
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There's no power in the word "faith" if you make it so bland... |
Silent3 |
Apr-02-09 09:27 AM |
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If you don't view your atheism as a form of faith, I'm not suggesting you should use |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-02-09 04:08 PM |
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As long as we aren't in the realm of floating, shifting definitions of the word... |
Silent3 |
Apr-02-09 04:31 PM |
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The problem is, religion evolves, but it always monopolizes the word "faith" |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-02-09 05:39 PM |
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I think there are inherent problems |
rrneck |
Mar-31-09 09:07 PM |
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I agree with your ideals, rmeck. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:46 PM |
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I agree. |
rrneck |
Apr-01-09 11:28 PM |
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One needs to distinguish faith from blind faith. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-01-09 12:29 AM |
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I agree to an extent, Odin but I believe the minister posting that message on his marquee |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:10 PM |
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All this nitpicking about a stupid word. Who the fuck cares...all I know is that I have no belief in |
Evoman |
Apr-01-09 12:47 AM |
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You are fortunate |
JustCommonSense |
Apr-01-09 12:55 PM |
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One can HOPE without having FAITH. |
PassingFair |
Apr-01-09 07:33 AM |
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If hope and faith aren't twins, they're at least siblings, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:30 PM |
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Wishing and believing are two different things.... |
PassingFair |
Apr-01-09 03:16 PM |
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I agree, but they spring from the same root. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 03:27 PM |
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"I believe I'll have a beer" is not a statement of faith. |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 01:49 PM |
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To a microscopic degree, it might be, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:21 PM |
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You have made the definition so broad |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 02:32 PM |
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I would love to take the credit for broadening the definition, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:48 PM |
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It is ridiculous to say that one definition applies to ALL uses. |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 02:58 PM |
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I believe on a subliminal level it can, I also believe language continually evolves, now you can sit |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 03:25 PM |
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Your Holy Book is infallible and You are the Prophet |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 03:58 PM |
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First you said I broadened the definition and now you say I've chosen only one? |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 05:18 PM |
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I think you are being an idiot on purpose. |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 05:54 PM |
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If you have given me any benefit of the doubt on this thread or any other thread, I missed it. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 06:41 PM |
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I agree with the church sign's meaning, but not its intended significance. |
Silent3 |
Apr-02-09 10:43 PM |
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I can understand your point of view. but I see no reason |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-03-09 09:51 AM |
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If by faith you simply mean "things that are believed"... |
Silent3 |
Apr-03-09 01:54 PM |
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Can you name any religion or faith that isn't outside of the realm of reason, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-03-09 06:27 PM |
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In french we use the word ''foi'' and it's specifically referring to the religious connotation |
Sandrine for you |
Apr-03-09 07:39 PM |
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Thanks for the historical background on the roots of the word faith, Sandrine for you, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-04-09 12:29 PM |
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And, as a french speaker, I'm betting a 5 that you do not properly using the Pascal gambles. nt |
Sandrine for you |
Apr-03-09 08:49 PM |
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As an agnostic, mystic, *Buddhist, Baptist, mutt I wouldn't take that bet. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-04-09 12:41 PM |
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