Uncle Joe
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Tue Mar-31-09 04:10 PM
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| 6. Everybody makes calculated gambles everyday of their life. |
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Getting in your car, flying on an airplane, construction on a skyscraper, skydiving, trusting your babysitter to do a good job etc. etc.
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| -The Problem With Demonizing the Word "Faith" Is In Giving Up Your Own Power |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 03:27 PM |
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Oh, you were doing so well until you got to this: |
Warpy |
Mar-31-09 03:37 PM |
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Exactly - it's like saying that atheists are making a calculated gamble |
Hugabear |
Mar-31-09 03:45 PM |
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See: Pascal's Wager, and |
Sinistrous |
Mar-31-09 04:03 PM |
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Everybody makes calculated gambles everyday of their life. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:10 PM |
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Do you realize the horrible equivocation of the word "faith" you're performing? |
trotsky |
Mar-31-09 04:43 PM |
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Not I, my belief is that was the minister's motivation on the link of the O.P. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 05:21 PM |
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Nope |
JustCommonSense |
Mar-31-09 04:21 PM |
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"Anything believed" |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:06 PM |
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"faith" debate |
JustCommonSense |
Mar-31-09 04:09 PM |
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Welcome to D.U. JustCommonSense. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:16 PM |
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Thanks - and peace to you as well. |
JustCommonSense |
Mar-31-09 04:30 PM |
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No my feelings are the same, welcome. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:35 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-31-09 04:37 PM |
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Peace be with you |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-31-09 04:35 PM |
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Reasonable argument |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-31-09 04:32 PM |
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My belief is that I know nothing. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 04:39 PM |
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I share your belief Uncle Joe |
ironbark |
Apr-01-09 07:16 AM |
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Ditto bro! |
JustCommonSense |
Apr-01-09 12:57 PM |
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Do you believe in Luke Skywalker? |
Meshuga |
Mar-31-09 04:39 PM |
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Do you believe science or physics has reached it's total culmination |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 05:12 PM |
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I don't believe that science or physics has reached its total culmination |
Meshuga |
Mar-31-09 07:51 PM |
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You may wish to research the difference between "strong" and "weak" atheism |
TechBear_Seattle |
Mar-31-09 04:53 PM |
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I believe, it's not possible to "not believe" without believing. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-31-09 05:25 PM |
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You're describing your own limitation |
Warpy |
Mar-31-09 10:48 PM |
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That is stated very clearly Uncle Joe. |
cambie |
Mar-31-09 11:59 PM |
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Is there no difference between believing you believe something and believing in God, for example? |
BurtWorm |
Apr-02-09 09:57 AM |
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There is a qualitative difference of degree but they're essentially the same. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-02-09 03:18 PM |
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You might think of the basic sort of faith you're talking about as an evolutionary adaptation. |
BurtWorm |
Apr-03-09 10:11 AM |
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Per my post #57, I don't view that sign as an affirmation of faith so much as a lack of it. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-03-09 10:34 AM |
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But there are many people--more and more, in fact--who are living without faith in a creator. |
BurtWorm |
Apr-03-09 11:01 AM |
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Throughout human history, belief in religious/spiritual matters have run through cycles, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-03-09 11:37 AM |
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Until you're capable |
skepticscott |
Apr-02-09 05:05 PM |
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I don't associate any "power" with the word "faith" that I mind giving up. |
Silent3 |
Mar-31-09 07:45 PM |
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You're an intelligent person and as such I wouldn't expect you |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 03:06 PM |
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There's no power in the word "faith" if you make it so bland... |
Silent3 |
Apr-02-09 09:27 AM |
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If you don't view your atheism as a form of faith, I'm not suggesting you should use |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-02-09 04:08 PM |
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As long as we aren't in the realm of floating, shifting definitions of the word... |
Silent3 |
Apr-02-09 04:31 PM |
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The problem is, religion evolves, but it always monopolizes the word "faith" |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-02-09 05:39 PM |
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I think there are inherent problems |
rrneck |
Mar-31-09 09:07 PM |
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I agree with your ideals, rmeck. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:46 PM |
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I agree. |
rrneck |
Apr-01-09 11:28 PM |
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One needs to distinguish faith from blind faith. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-01-09 12:29 AM |
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I agree to an extent, Odin but I believe the minister posting that message on his marquee |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:10 PM |
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All this nitpicking about a stupid word. Who the fuck cares...all I know is that I have no belief in |
Evoman |
Apr-01-09 12:47 AM |
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You are fortunate |
JustCommonSense |
Apr-01-09 12:55 PM |
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One can HOPE without having FAITH. |
PassingFair |
Apr-01-09 07:33 AM |
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If hope and faith aren't twins, they're at least siblings, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:30 PM |
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Wishing and believing are two different things.... |
PassingFair |
Apr-01-09 03:16 PM |
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I agree, but they spring from the same root. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 03:27 PM |
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"I believe I'll have a beer" is not a statement of faith. |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 01:49 PM |
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To a microscopic degree, it might be, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:21 PM |
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You have made the definition so broad |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 02:32 PM |
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I would love to take the credit for broadening the definition, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 02:48 PM |
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It is ridiculous to say that one definition applies to ALL uses. |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 02:58 PM |
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I believe on a subliminal level it can, I also believe language continually evolves, now you can sit |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 03:25 PM |
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Your Holy Book is infallible and You are the Prophet |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 03:58 PM |
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First you said I broadened the definition and now you say I've chosen only one? |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 05:18 PM |
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I think you are being an idiot on purpose. |
cosmik debris |
Apr-01-09 05:54 PM |
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If you have given me any benefit of the doubt on this thread or any other thread, I missed it. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-01-09 06:41 PM |
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I agree with the church sign's meaning, but not its intended significance. |
Silent3 |
Apr-02-09 10:43 PM |
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I can understand your point of view. but I see no reason |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-03-09 09:51 AM |
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If by faith you simply mean "things that are believed"... |
Silent3 |
Apr-03-09 01:54 PM |
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Can you name any religion or faith that isn't outside of the realm of reason, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-03-09 06:27 PM |
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In french we use the word ''foi'' and it's specifically referring to the religious connotation |
Sandrine for you |
Apr-03-09 07:39 PM |
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Thanks for the historical background on the roots of the word faith, Sandrine for you, |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-04-09 12:29 PM |
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And, as a french speaker, I'm betting a 5 that you do not properly using the Pascal gambles. nt |
Sandrine for you |
Apr-03-09 08:49 PM |
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As an agnostic, mystic, *Buddhist, Baptist, mutt I wouldn't take that bet. |
Uncle Joe |
Apr-04-09 12:41 PM |
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