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101. Former Protestant Christian, now Deist, and just on the believing side of agnostic
I selected I believe in God, or energy, or a higher power but no particular faith or sect (or deist).

I used to be a Christian, but found that the Christian faith, and my supposedly having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, had not been of any help to me in enabling me to deal with any source of pain, frustration, or unhappiness in my life. That being the case, I am definitely not a Christian any more.

However I do not consider myself to be an atheist. I think that there are reasons which, even if they do not prove the reality of God or some higher power or intelligence, at least make the idea of God or some higher reality or intelligence to be not entirely absurd or ridiculous.

One of my favorite authors when I was a Christian was the noted apologist C. S. Lewis. I no longer accept his arguments regarding the person of Christ or tenets of the Christian faith, but I have always liked his argument that our sense of reason and our moral sense must be rooted in some intelligence higher and greater than our own, and in some reality higher and greater than ourselves and the natural universe. He makes this argument in the first six chapters of his book Miracles.

I would now consider myself to be a Deist, and I think I have arrived at being such by a process of elimination as much as anything else. I accept the idea that there might possibly be a God or an intelligence higher and greater than ourselves. However I do not accept any alleged revelation from God, such as the Bible or the Koran, as actually being such. I think there are many more problems than benefits from actually believing that the Bible (or the Koran) is an authoritative revelation from God. (One obvious problem is that Christians consider the Bible to be the "Word of God", and Muslims consider the Koran to be the revelation from Allah; who is right? I refuse to believe that any "salvation" or any bliss in any future life depends on a person guessing correctly that the Bible, or the Koran, is the correct revelation from God. If that is the case then God is simply an arbitrary tyrant.)

I also consider myself to be just on the believing side of agnostic. I realize the fallibility of human reasoning. Even if I might personally find that my reasoning leads me to conclude that there might be a God or a higher intelligence, I also realize it is possible that I might be mistaken in my reasoning.
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  Where are you on the Religion/Belief scale? marmar  Mar-18-09 12:12 PM   #0 
   Pagan here  sunwyn   Mar-18-09 12:14 PM   #1 
   Same here  Mojorabbit   Mar-18-09 12:24 PM   #12 
   "I'll believe anything as long as there's a steady paycheck in it." Winston Zeddmore (Ghostbusters)  YOY   Mar-18-09 12:14 PM   #2 
   Here's a good site to go  waiting for hope   Mar-18-09 12:15 PM   #3 
   Interesting......my top five matches were  marmar   Mar-18-09 12:24 PM   #13 
   Close to mine:  waiting for hope   Mar-18-09 12:39 PM   #18 
   Mine were..  emmadoggy   Mar-18-09 02:18 PM   #30 
   No big surprises here:  PassingFair   Mar-20-09 11:28 AM   #79 
   No suprise here.  Odin2005   Mar-28-09 03:36 PM   #91 
   marmar, there's a forum for this sort of thing -  enlightenment   Mar-18-09 12:16 PM   #4 
   There are ZERO angels dancing on my pinhead.  BlooInBloo   Mar-18-09 12:16 PM   #5 
   I believe in no religion at all.  PDJane   Mar-18-09 12:16 PM   #6 
   Hey! Where's the Flying Spaghetti Monster option?  cobalt1999   Mar-18-09 12:17 PM   #7 
   Christian but not out to change the world  hamsterjill   Mar-18-09 12:18 PM   #8 
   Buddhist by practice, not by faith  Warpy   Mar-18-09 12:18 PM   #9 
   OMG, two Aspies on DU who practice meditation, what are the odds? LOL!  Odin2005   Mar-28-09 04:03 PM   #93 
   . nt  Why Syzygy   Mar-18-09 12:19 PM   #10 
   Religion needs to be in the waste basket of historic stupidity and the root of evil.  L. Coyote   Mar-18-09 12:20 PM   #11 
   It already is...  BlooInBloo   Mar-18-09 12:28 PM   #16 
   The story of the origin of religion in ten words.  L. Coyote   Mar-18-09 12:31 PM   #17 
   How's that theory working out for you?  el_bryanto   Mar-18-09 12:45 PM   #21 
   Already is -- now it just needs to be recognized as such by more.  Zhade   Mar-19-09 06:59 PM   #58 
   atheist.  Soylent Brice   Mar-18-09 12:26 PM   #14 
   spiritual humanist  barbtries   Mar-18-09 12:27 PM   #15 
   Hmmm. I don't see a category for nonpracticing neopagan ecofeminist  kestrel91316   Mar-18-09 12:40 PM   #19 
   I missed that one.....  marmar   Mar-18-09 12:50 PM   #25 
   All of the above. n/t  H2O Man   Mar-18-09 12:40 PM   #20 
   That's the way it is with me as well. Edit for P.S. Except for the atheist part. n/t  Uncle Joe   Mar-19-09 05:47 PM   #45 
   In my lifetime  JitterbugPerfume   Mar-18-09 12:45 PM   #22 
   Funny, I went from Agnostic to Christian...but my husband got me involved in our church  Jennicut   Mar-19-09 12:07 PM   #35 
   You forgot Poland!  Renew Deal   Mar-18-09 12:46 PM   #23 
   Atheists could be separated into hard and soft-atheists.  Festivito   Mar-18-09 12:46 PM   #24 
   you understand it incorrectly...  snooper2   Mar-18-09 12:50 PM   #26 
   Perhaps you're reading me incorrectly, because you're mistaken.  Festivito   Mar-19-09 12:02 PM   #34 
   Wow, you ALMOST got it right!  Zhade   Mar-19-09 07:12 PM   #60 
      Okay, that's strong and soft, not hard and soft.  Festivito   Mar-20-09 12:15 AM   #72 
   I'm in the same position as you...  emmadoggy   Mar-18-09 02:11 PM   #27 
   If you are not a fan of "organized religion" why would you wish to expose your children to it?  Fumesucker   Mar-19-09 01:06 PM   #43 
      I know it's strange and contradictory...  emmadoggy   Mar-19-09 05:43 PM   #44 
   all of the above and then some. n/t  seabeyond   Mar-18-09 02:14 PM   #28 
   Atheist.  QueenOfCalifornia   Mar-18-09 02:15 PM   #29 
   Wow, majority of non-believers?  AB_Positive   Mar-18-09 02:19 PM   #31 
   I'm sure there's a link to above average intelligence and atheism.  BirminghamExaminer   Mar-18-09 02:22 PM   #33 
   There is. Studies show that the less unsupported beliefs a society holds, the smarter...  Zhade   Mar-19-09 07:19 PM   #62 
   33% is not a majority.  bananas   Mar-19-09 11:45 PM   #71 
      Take another look. n/t  PassingFair   Mar-28-09 03:42 PM   #92 
         35% is not a majority.  bananas   Mar-29-09 06:29 PM   #97 
   where's shamanism?  marions ghost   Mar-18-09 02:20 PM   #32 
   recovering catha-holic  rampart   Mar-19-09 12:08 PM   #36 
   Recovering Catholic  baldguy   Mar-19-09 12:12 PM   #37 
   I'm pretty sure there's nothing like a "creator" who brought us here  pink-o   Mar-19-09 12:23 PM   #38 
   You may be an agnostic atheist. But let's face it, EVERYONE is an agnostic.  Zhade   Mar-19-09 07:24 PM   #63 
   Other: I am WIccan  Marrah_G   Mar-19-09 12:23 PM   #39 
   Ewwwww  LostinVA   Mar-19-09 06:50 PM   #55 
      Don't make me come down there woman !!!!!!!!!  Marrah_G   Mar-20-09 07:35 AM   #77 
   Poor choices.  Kazak   Mar-19-09 12:25 PM   #40 
   I just don't worry about it.  dkofos   Mar-19-09 12:35 PM   #41 
   Other...  damonm   Mar-19-09 12:44 PM   #42 
   Atheist  Ohio Joe   Mar-19-09 05:48 PM   #46 
   I believe in a good story  handmade34   Mar-19-09 06:02 PM   #47 
   Welcome to DU! I'm an ANTS grad. and would like to do my DMin there.  Critters2   Mar-20-09 01:55 AM   #73 
      Hi! Critters2 I tell people...  handmade34   Mar-20-09 02:35 AM   #75 
         Yeah. I've been ordained for 22 years now. UCC.  Critters2   Mar-20-09 02:43 AM   #76 
   Atheist and Agnostic...  ShadesOfGrey   Mar-19-09 06:16 PM   #48 
   Raised catholic here...now just a Golden Ruler... n/t  SoCalDem   Mar-19-09 06:18 PM   #49 
   I grew up Jewish, but these days I find myself  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-19-09 06:33 PM   #50 
   Your beliefs or non-beliefs are not so incompatible with Judaism  Meshuga   Mar-20-09 01:00 PM   #81 
   Atheist  TripleKatPad   Mar-19-09 06:38 PM   #51 
   Interesting. I had the same childhood obsession with Classical Mythology and  beac   Mar-19-09 07:13 PM   #61 
      Same here!  Odin2005   Mar-28-09 04:10 PM   #94 
   Buddhist. Lately, a struggling Buddhist. NT  Mike 03   Mar-19-09 06:40 PM   #52 
   As soon as it  sense   Mar-19-09 06:45 PM   #53 
   Raised Catholic, became Atheist for a bit, admired Neo-Paganism, but am Zen Buddhist  LostinVA   Mar-19-09 06:48 PM   #54 
   Agnostic non-theistic evolutionist.  MrSlayer   Mar-19-09 06:56 PM   #56 
   Atheism isn't a religion or a belief, and so I could not vote.  Zhade   Mar-19-09 06:58 PM   #57 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-09 07:25 PM   #64 
   Accuracy isn't semantics.  Zhade   Mar-19-09 07:49 PM   #66 
      ....... and rather strident as well.  marmar   Mar-19-09 07:51 PM   #67 
         I do not think that word means what you think it means.  Zhade   Mar-19-09 08:01 PM   #68 
   Atheism is absolutely a doctrine  demwing   Mar-30-09 11:35 AM   #99 
   I follow my father . . .  Constance Craving   Mar-19-09 07:04 PM   #59 
   Here's my results  GiveMeFreedom   Mar-19-09 07:42 PM   #65 
   Atheist. Non Practicing. n/t  SalmonChantedEvening   Mar-19-09 08:18 PM   #69 
   I picked atheist, but I'm a member of a UU fellowship  Goblinmonger   Mar-19-09 10:36 PM   #70 
   Other. I'll make my own nt  rrneck   Mar-20-09 02:27 AM   #74 
   marmar, I agree with you on organized religion.  saltpoint   Mar-20-09 09:35 AM   #78 
   I'm a Jew but that doesn't say much about where I fit in the belief scale n/t  Meshuga   Mar-20-09 12:57 PM   #80 
   109 - profess faith ... 121 - no faith ... = difference of 11 . nt  Why Syzygy   Mar-28-09 06:54 AM   #82 
   And that means....something?  varkam   Mar-28-09 07:37 AM   #83 
      It's simply an accounting comparing poll results with a view that may be held by some  Why Syzygy   Mar-28-09 07:53 AM   #84 
         Well that would mean...something...if it weren't non-scientific.  varkam   Mar-28-09 07:59 AM   #85 
            Claiming for oneself (sorry Charlie)  Why Syzygy   Mar-28-09 08:01 AM   #86 
               I never claimed that (sorry Betsy).  varkam   Mar-28-09 08:04 AM   #87 
                  Even though  Why Syzygy   Mar-28-09 08:11 AM   #88 
                     So what does me being clever have to do with...  varkam   Mar-28-09 01:30 PM   #89 
   I'm an Atheist, Pantheist, UUer, or Theravada Buddhist depending on one's definitions.  Odin2005   Mar-28-09 03:27 PM   #90 
   Devout Atheist here  rd_kent   Mar-29-09 04:15 PM   #95 
   I'm an amalgam of Taoist, Zen Buddhist, pantheist and Deep Ecologist  GliderGuider   Mar-29-09 04:46 PM   #96 
   Atheist/Anti-theist  Neo Atheist   Mar-30-09 08:55 AM   #98 
   atheists baby!  NancyBotwin   Apr-08-09 11:08 PM   #100 
   Former Protestant Christian, now Deist, and just on the believing side of agnostic  MikeH   Apr-09-09 06:33 PM   #101 
 

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