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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 02:32 PM
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17. Good point, hard to explain.
I would say that salvation for the dead is a big selling point for me. (albeit a highly controversial one, which I can understand.) We make the rather bold claim that salvation comes only through the ordinances of the gospel (baptism, etc.) and without these, done in the proper manner and by the proper authority, no one can achieve the highest degree of glory in the afterlife. As billions have lived without that opportunity, such a claim makes the assumption that God sent a majority of his children here to fail. My belief that people can accept my faith, even if they had no opportunity to do so in life. Hence it gives me a sense that God is essentially fair in his dealings with his children, even if his fairness does not necessarily fit with our temporal perspective.
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  -Ask a Liberal Mormon. (With apologies to the admins and posters for my foolishness last thread ) SidneyCarton  Dec-19-08 01:49 PM   #0 
  - 3. What is the meaning of life?  MineralMan   Dec-19-08 01:51 PM   #1 
  - Douglas Adams says 42.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:02 PM   #7 
     - Hmm...so I should aspire to drown all inhabitants of  MineralMan   Dec-19-08 02:22 PM   #13 
     - I suppose.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:29 PM   #16 
        - Or, perhaps  MineralMan   Dec-19-08 02:37 PM   #20 
           - God gets a little ticked around 3 Nephi 8 in the Book of Mormon  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:41 PM   #21 
           - If that's the case, you won't really experience it, anyhow.  MineralMan   Dec-19-08 02:44 PM   #23 
           - Or how about...  COStorm   Jan-07-09 07:29 PM   #99 
     - Not quite. That is the answer to the ultimate question...  Realityhack   Dec-27-08 10:02 AM   #62 
  - Do you support same sex marriage?  tekisui   Dec-19-08 01:55 PM   #2 
  - Personally? Sure.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:05 PM   #9 
     - You shouldn't...  COStorm   Jan-07-09 03:57 PM   #78 
        - No, the church won't.  SidneyCarton   Jan-07-09 06:32 PM   #95 
           - I somewhat garbled this, let me clarify.  SidneyCarton   Jan-07-09 06:53 PM   #96 
  - why is Mormonism neccessary?  maxsolomon   Dec-19-08 02:01 PM   #3 
  - Hmmm. That is a good question.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:07 PM   #10 
  - Ask an active Mormon  COStorm   Jan-07-09 01:13 PM   #65 
     - Knowledge or opinion  cosmik debris   Jan-07-09 01:55 PM   #66 
        - Not really...  COStorm   Jan-07-09 02:23 PM   #67 
           - The number of children is a testable statement.  cosmik debris   Jan-07-09 02:45 PM   #72 
              - Not really...  COStorm   Jan-07-09 03:31 PM   #75 
                 - Now that's just bullshit.  cosmik debris   Jan-07-09 04:19 PM   #80 
                    - Maybe to the unlearned...  COStorm   Jan-07-09 05:16 PM   #85 
                       - Yes.  cyborg_jim   Jan-07-09 05:53 PM   #87 
                       - God spoke to you?  COStorm   Jan-07-09 07:44 PM   #100 
                          - So did I.  cyborg_jim   Jan-08-09 06:03 PM   #106 
                             - and...  COStorm   Jan-08-09 06:42 PM   #110 
                                - Obviously  cyborg_jim   Jan-08-09 06:50 PM   #111 
                                   - So basically...you lied.  COStorm   Jan-08-09 07:12 PM   #113 
                       - And all of that depends on the belief or opinion  cosmik debris   Jan-07-09 05:57 PM   #89 
                          - All religious arguments are essentially circular.  SidneyCarton   Jan-07-09 06:27 PM   #94 
                             - The person to whom I responded  cosmik debris   Jan-07-09 06:55 PM   #97 
                                - Facts are problematic.  SidneyCarton   Jan-08-09 01:06 PM   #101 
                                   - The problem for the religious then is that you all appear to be grabbing a elephant  cyborg_jim   Jan-08-09 06:15 PM   #108 
  - Why are YOU a Mormon?  Oregone   Dec-19-08 02:01 PM   #4 
  - A combination of tradition and personal belief.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:12 PM   #11 
     - All those responses don't quite make a distiction between the unique mormon experiences and...  Oregone   Dec-19-08 02:23 PM   #14 
        - Good point, hard to explain.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:32 PM   #17 
        - Your answer  COStorm   Jan-07-09 02:36 PM   #69 
  - In regards to a Mormon afterlife, one must differentiate between pre and post judgment.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:01 PM   #5 
  - Thanks for that. That also answers for me why Mormons practice "baptizing" dead ancestors.  Liberal_Lurker   Dec-19-08 02:04 PM   #8 
  - I'm also interested in the Mormon notion of the divinity of Christ  Liberal_Lurker   Dec-19-08 02:02 PM   #6 
  - Ok, lotsa questions here, let me see.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:26 PM   #15 
     - Thank you much!  Liberal_Lurker   Dec-19-08 02:55 PM   #25 
  - I'll take #3 for $100 Alex...  Taverner   Dec-19-08 02:17 PM   #12 
  - Honestly? I don't know.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:33 PM   #18 
     - Check out the Gnostic's understanding of Heaven  Taverner   Dec-19-08 02:37 PM   #19 
        - Fascinating. I certainly see parallels.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:42 PM   #22 
  - A friend of mine scored me some official Mormon magic underwear when she visited Salt Lake  TlalocW   Dec-19-08 02:44 PM   #24 
  - I wouldn't suggest it.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 02:57 PM   #26 
  - Doesn't it bother you...  trotsky   Dec-19-08 03:07 PM   #27 
  - Interesting...  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 03:10 PM   #28 
     - Does it bother you to know that Joseph Smith had been previously convicted as a con man?  trotsky   Dec-19-08 03:31 PM   #29 
        - Considering how many times Joseph Smith was arrested, imprisoned, etc...  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 03:37 PM   #30 
           - You're kind of missing the point.  trotsky   Dec-19-08 04:19 PM   #31 
              - No, I do get your point, the founder of my religion is full of crap.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 05:00 PM   #32 
                 - And the bigger mistake you would be making  trotsky   Dec-19-08 06:49 PM   #36 
  - Are Mormons Christian?  Goblinmonger   Dec-19-08 05:38 PM   #33 
  - We think so.  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 05:40 PM   #34 
  - That's what I always thought. n/t  Goblinmonger   Dec-21-08 10:05 AM   #41 
  - So, are you really big and scary?  SidneyCarton   Dec-19-08 05:42 PM   #35 
     - No, it's just a front  Goblinmonger   Dec-21-08 10:06 AM   #42 
  - Do YOU think that early Mormons practiced polygamy  EvolveOrConvolve   Dec-19-08 07:45 PM   #37 
  - Yes, early Mormons practiced Polygamy.  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 10:35 AM   #45 
  - Who is the Heavenly Mother?  rug   Dec-19-08 08:19 PM   #38 
  - In all honesty, I don't know.  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 10:37 AM   #46 
  - One of the main points of Mormonism  moobu2   Dec-20-08 08:09 AM   #39 
  - You raise an excellent question.  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 10:42 AM   #47 
     - If my faith is made up....go into oblivion  ZombieHorde   Dec-22-08 08:35 PM   #58 
     - Well, then I burn in good company...  SidneyCarton   Dec-23-08 10:51 AM   #59 
     - Logical fallacy  TrogL   Jan-08-09 04:27 PM   #102 
        - So what's your heartburn?  SidneyCarton   Jan-08-09 04:49 PM   #104 
  - Please Reconcile Between:  GSPowner   Dec-20-08 02:57 PM   #40 
  - The reconciliation lies in the Mormon doctrine of the Godhead  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 10:46 AM   #48 
     - That is one of the lines where your argument loses momentum  GSPowner   Dec-27-08 12:22 PM   #64 
        - Sources please  COStorm   Jan-07-09 02:28 PM   #68 
  - When I worked in a group home, I was cleaning one of my clients' rooms when  ZombieHorde   Dec-21-08 01:40 PM   #43 
  - Yeah, we do.  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 10:50 AM   #49 
     - "Perhaps they (horses) were destroyed"  ZombieHorde   Dec-22-08 06:52 PM   #57 
     - I know that we sponsor Archeological studies in Central America  SidneyCarton   Dec-23-08 10:54 AM   #60 
     - What about the total lack of archaeological evidence?  TechBear_Seattle   Jan-07-09 02:43 PM   #70 
        - Something to consider...  COStorm   Jan-07-09 03:04 PM   #74 
           - So the bit about horses was a misinterpretation on the part of Smith?  TechBear_Seattle   Jan-07-09 03:47 PM   #76 
              - Not at all...  COStorm   Jan-07-09 04:12 PM   #79 
                 - My main point remains, though  TechBear_Seattle   Jan-07-09 04:46 PM   #83 
                    - We see what we want to see...  COStorm   Jan-07-09 06:57 PM   #98 
  - How do you feel about  TransitJohn   Dec-22-08 12:48 AM   #44 
  - ...  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 10:53 AM   #50 
  - Your source  COStorm   Jan-07-09 02:43 PM   #71 
     - sources  TrogL   Jan-08-09 04:49 PM   #103 
        - Which is nothing to do with nothing...  COStorm   Jan-08-09 06:58 PM   #112 
  - OK I'm going to ask a non-judgmental Q  dmallind   Dec-22-08 10:57 AM   #51 
  - Good Questions, I'll give it a shot.  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 11:24 AM   #52 
  - "...the church stockpiling enough cash, durable food etc ..."  Realityhack   Dec-27-08 10:11 AM   #63 
  - You ever been tempted to just drop the whole thing?  Evoman   Dec-22-08 11:57 AM   #53 
  - I have had serious doubts, but I can't say I've ever seriously considered quitting.  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 01:06 PM   #54 
     - Maybe they are meaningless.  Evoman   Dec-22-08 05:02 PM   #55 
        - Maybe.  SidneyCarton   Dec-22-08 05:59 PM   #56 
  - Does God objectively exist, or subjectively exist?  Heaven and Earth   Dec-24-08 11:59 AM   #61 
  - Hill Cumorah: what archaeology has been done there?  TechBear_Seattle   Jan-07-09 02:53 PM   #73 
  - Good question.  SidneyCarton   Jan-07-09 03:53 PM   #77 
     - The property has been owned by the Church since 1920  TechBear_Seattle   Jan-07-09 04:30 PM   #82 
  - Do you really avoid all forms of caffeine? Even chocolate?  108blessings   Jan-07-09 04:25 PM   #81 
  - It's a personal thing  COStorm   Jan-07-09 04:53 PM   #84 
  - I love chocolate, and I drink Coke.  SidneyCarton   Jan-07-09 05:24 PM   #86 
     - But are you a lapsed Mormon then? Is it against the rules to indulge?  108blessings   Jan-07-09 06:08 PM   #90 
        - I'm not lapsed, only Coffee and Tea are specifically forbidden.  SidneyCarton   Jan-07-09 06:21 PM   #91 
           - Thanks...that is interesting (although it gives one pause)  108blessings   Jan-07-09 06:25 PM   #93 
  - Seriously - how in the hell can you believe what Joseph Smith said?  cyborg_jim   Jan-07-09 05:56 PM   #88 
  - You mean any more than...  SidneyCarton   Jan-07-09 06:23 PM   #92 
     - You're at it again  TrogL   Jan-08-09 04:55 PM   #105 
     - You apparently have a beef, TrogL, you want to spit it out?  SidneyCarton   Jan-08-09 06:21 PM   #109 
     - Well that's the thing isn't it?  cyborg_jim   Jan-08-09 06:06 PM   #107 
  - locking  Wickerman   Jan-08-09 07:27 PM   #114 
 

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