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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 08:17 AM
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32. I would say that most "Christians" are actually "Paulists"
Paul has more to do with contemporary Christian belief than Christ does.
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  -What defines a Christian? laconicsax  Nov-28-08 02:39 PM   #0 
  - without jesus you are going to that hot place even if you've lived a perfect life? nt  msongs   Nov-28-08 02:43 PM   #1 
  - According to Martin Luther, yes.  laconicsax   Nov-28-08 03:11 PM   #6 
  - Yes, Martin Luther was so disgusted by the selling of indulgences,  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-28-08 05:31 PM   #12 
  - No, you are not going to that hot place even if you didn't live a perfect life...  mikelewis   Nov-28-08 10:34 PM   #20 
     - That's interesting.  laconicsax   Nov-29-08 12:41 AM   #22 
     - I would tend to let the reported words of Christ trump Luke's Acts...  mikelewis   Nov-30-08 09:06 PM   #39 
        - So you acknowledge the uncertain authorship of the Bible, but decide for yourself which books count?  laconicsax   Dec-01-08 12:43 AM   #42 
           - I never said some books count and some do not...  mikelewis   Dec-01-08 11:53 AM   #49 
              - If you are not an authority on its contents, how do you know that you're right?  laconicsax   Dec-01-08 06:58 PM   #53 
                 - No one can be certain that they are right...  mikelewis   Dec-02-08 07:13 AM   #55 
     - I would have to disagree with you.  MiltonF   Nov-30-08 11:29 PM   #41 
        - Christ in not the name but the spirit...  mikelewis   Dec-01-08 08:07 AM   #47 
  - Jesus was not just an incarnation, he was the Son of God.  GodlessBiker   Nov-28-08 02:47 PM   #2 
  - Doesn't that imply polytheism?  laconicsax   Nov-28-08 06:58 PM   #14 
     - That's why the Catholics messed with the Creed.  knitter4democracy   Nov-30-08 08:13 AM   #31 
     - Exactly!  trixie   Dec-14-08 12:35 AM   #62 
  - The Nicene Creed  Turbineguy   Nov-28-08 02:51 PM   #3 
  - Which version?  knitter4democracy   Nov-29-08 09:08 AM   #26 
     - Pentecostals are heretics, according to the Ecumenical Councils  TechBear_Seattle   Dec-15-08 12:07 PM   #68 
  - Baptism  Xipe Totec   Nov-28-08 02:53 PM   #4 
  - Other religions have water-baptism and not all Christian sects do baptisms.  laconicsax   Nov-28-08 07:09 PM   #17 
  - Well, then I guess I and others like the Unitarian Universalists don't count  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-28-08 02:53 PM   #5 
  - Hence my original post.  laconicsax   Nov-28-08 03:20 PM   #7 
  - None. You will not find a definition that all of us agree upon because we  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-28-08 04:03 PM   #11 
     - So then how do you define someone as Christian?  laconicsax   Nov-28-08 07:06 PM   #16 
        - For myself, I was a literal Christian as a kid and I married into a RW evangelical family  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-28-08 07:17 PM   #18 
           - That would imply different religions under one banner.  laconicsax   Nov-29-08 01:01 AM   #23 
  - UUs don't have a creedal test.  Perragrande   Dec-03-08 01:45 AM   #57 
  - Jesus is the Son of God  ayeshahaqqiqa   Nov-28-08 03:27 PM   #8 
  - "being a christian" is used in (at least) two different ways:  Lerkfish   Nov-28-08 03:50 PM   #9 
  - In addition, within the last few decades, evangelicals and fundamentalists  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-28-08 05:34 PM   #13 
  - That's anything but a recent phenomenon ...  arKansasJHawk   Nov-28-08 11:05 PM   #21 
  - Yep - as far as word meanings go, however  Taverner   Dec-30-08 02:49 PM   #77 
  - You're right, it doesn't help with the question I have.  laconicsax   Nov-29-08 01:13 AM   #24 
  - "Christian" is a word that people "tag" themselves with.  greendog   Nov-28-08 04:00 PM   #10 
  - So should that be considered a religion or a philosophy?  laconicsax   Nov-28-08 06:59 PM   #15 
     - The word "Christian" is like a bag with a fashionable logo printed on it.  greendog   Nov-28-08 07:30 PM   #19 
  - If in doubt, go to the root meaning of the word  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-29-08 08:20 AM   #25 
  - This is a more difficult question than you realize.  knitter4democracy   Nov-29-08 09:13 AM   #27 
  - Yup. What Knitter said. nt  JerseygirlCT   Nov-29-08 06:57 PM   #28 
  - That's pretty much my point.  laconicsax   Nov-29-08 08:16 PM   #29 
  - It sounds like what's really tripping you up is Christian code.  knitter4democracy   Nov-30-08 08:11 AM   #30 
     - Thanks, that's helpful.  laconicsax   Nov-30-08 03:31 PM   #35 
        - I think C should own up to A being part of the faith.  knitter4democracy   Nov-30-08 04:06 PM   #36 
           - It's good to know that people like you exist.  laconicsax   Nov-30-08 04:12 PM   #37 
              - Yeah, well, you should hear how my STBX-husband describes me.  knitter4democracy   Nov-30-08 06:08 PM   #38 
  - Christians self-identify. They are so because they say so.  TWiley   Nov-30-08 08:21 AM   #33 
  - I would say that most "Christians" are actually "Paulists"  TWiley   Nov-30-08 08:17 AM   #32 
  - It depends on which branch of Christianity you're talking about.  knitter4democracy   Nov-30-08 10:30 AM   #34 
  - There are far too many answers  quaker bill   Nov-30-08 10:05 PM   #40 
  - I have seen threads on this site (including this one) where posters seem to know.  laconicsax   Dec-01-08 01:34 AM   #43 
     - Seem to "believe" they know  quaker bill   Dec-01-08 06:45 AM   #46 
  - If you want the common denominator of all who call themselves Christian  HamdenRice   Dec-01-08 02:21 AM   #44 
  - I would edit that to say "People who CLAIM to follow the teachings of Jesus"  TWiley   Dec-01-08 04:33 AM   #45 
  - Edit 2: "People who claim to follow their cherry-picked teachings of Jesus", nt  greyl   Dec-01-08 02:21 PM   #50 
  - Or being a bit less negative: who "try" to do so. nt  JerseygirlCT   Dec-01-08 02:59 PM   #52 
  - I would agree that the most inclusive definition is the only  JerseygirlCT   Dec-01-08 02:58 PM   #51 
     - That would simply mean anyone who identifies themselves as Christian, right?  greyl   Dec-01-08 10:51 PM   #54 
        - Yes. It's self-identified, bottom-line  JerseygirlCT   Dec-02-08 07:19 AM   #56 
  - Whatever helps Xians look the best apparently.  dmallind   Dec-01-08 08:50 AM   #48 
  - I tend to think that religions are based on their books  sleebarker   Dec-03-08 09:22 PM   #58 
  - Hey, laconicsax , I believe I can help answer this for you.  peruban   Dec-04-08 03:39 AM   #59 
  - Revised list of general definition  peruban   Dec-04-08 05:08 AM   #60 
  - Taking Jesus Christ as Savior  trixie   Dec-14-08 12:30 AM   #61 
  - Ah, but how do you define that?  knitter4democracy   Dec-14-08 05:21 PM   #64 
     - That's the point  trixie   Dec-14-08 11:28 PM   #65 
        - So much for having a conversation, then.  knitter4democracy   Dec-15-08 09:25 AM   #66 
           - It's just another case of a non-believer trying to define believers.  cosmik debris   Dec-15-08 10:27 AM   #67 
              - Heck, I've got tons more to get under my skin these days.  knitter4democracy   Dec-16-08 11:34 AM   #70 
  - The answer to one simple question. What say you of Christ,  Sam1   Dec-14-08 12:58 PM   #63 
  - The Holy Spirit himself gave that definition more than a thousand years ago  TechBear_Seattle   Dec-15-08 12:16 PM   #69 
  - I agree!  knitter4democracy   Dec-16-08 11:35 AM   #71 
     - That is why questions like this are meaningless, or worse  TechBear_Seattle   Dec-16-08 12:27 PM   #72 
  - So, George W. Bush - Christian?  Fenmick   Dec-24-08 07:04 PM   #73 
  - Christians are self identifying.  Perragrande   Dec-30-08 03:57 AM   #74 
     - Agree.  PassingFair   Dec-30-08 11:04 AM   #75 
  - read the 3 three gospels  dcsmart   Dec-30-08 11:32 AM   #76 
  - To try to be like Christ  Taverner   Dec-30-08 02:52 PM   #78 
     - There's an even bigger problem you missed.  laconicsax   Dec-30-08 02:55 PM   #79 
        - HAHAHAHAHAHA true that  Taverner   Dec-30-08 02:56 PM   #80 

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