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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. I am convinced there is no god
There is no god.

But I don't know this, anymore than you know there isn't a gremlin inside your television pushing buttons, and he uses a cloaking device every time you open the back of your television.

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  -What if everyone just admits that WE DON'T KNOW Taverner  Jun-25-08 05:57 PM   #0 
  - But they have "faith"!  Hydra   Jun-25-08 06:00 PM   #1 
  - Faith is irrelevant  Taverner   Jun-25-08 06:03 PM   #3 
  - Two people can have equally strong faith in two opposing beliefs.  fiziwig   Jun-25-08 06:12 PM   #14 
  - Please solve this ageless debate with your "proof".  edhopper   Jun-25-08 06:59 PM   #20 
     - I too, was being sarcastic  Hydra   Jun-25-08 08:12 PM   #27 
  - Some power greater than me works with me. I can't understand it but it has happened so many times  Mountainman   Jun-25-08 06:03 PM   #2 
  - Yes you believe this  Taverner   Jun-25-08 06:05 PM   #6 
  - My answer has been for years - "I do not believe in Organized Religion."  Bobbieo   Jun-25-08 06:06 PM   #8 
  - I think some people are afraid not to believe, and afraid  gateley   Jun-25-08 06:03 PM   #4 
  - That would mess up  DiktatrW   Jun-25-08 06:05 PM   #5 
  - Wouldn't that make you an Agnostic then?  parasim   Jun-25-08 06:06 PM   #7 
  - Yes, I am convinced there is no god  Taverner   Jun-25-08 06:07 PM   #9 
     - Ah, I see.  parasim   Jun-25-08 06:16 PM   #16 
     - To be convinced of something which is not known is to have faith.  The Night Owl   Jun-26-08 05:37 PM   #36 
  - I'm not convinced of anything  melody   Jun-25-08 06:07 PM   #10 
  - Agreed  Taverner   Jun-25-08 06:09 PM   #12 
  - My Jesuit training left me with this:  Tangerine LaBamba   Jun-25-08 06:08 PM   #11 
  - Damn, that is a Koan if I ever saw one  Taverner   Jun-25-08 06:10 PM   #13 
  - See why I love my Jesuit background,  Tangerine LaBamba   Jun-25-08 06:14 PM   #15 
     - Like the Freemasons, I think the Jesuits were a "subvert from within" kinda group  Taverner   Jun-25-08 06:44 PM   #18 
  - That sums it up nicely. And very Jesuit to do so! nt  JerseygirlCT   Jun-25-08 07:59 PM   #25 
  - I don't know and I don't care.  Mythsaje   Jun-25-08 06:19 PM   #17 
  - So you say you don't KNOW  edhopper   Jun-25-08 06:57 PM   #19 
  - I am convinced there is no god  Taverner   Jun-25-08 07:01 PM   #21 
  - What is this "KNOW" idea you have?  edhopper   Jun-25-08 07:07 PM   #22 
     - Sure there are.  varkam   Jun-25-08 10:34 PM   #31 
  - I don't know if any of those deities exist or not.  varkam   Jun-25-08 10:33 PM   #30 
  - You're pretty sure you can be 100% sure?  The Night Owl   Jun-26-08 06:00 PM   #37 
  - Immortality is in the balance  cosmik debris   Jun-25-08 07:43 PM   #23 
  - Of course that's correct  JerseygirlCT   Jun-25-08 07:58 PM   #24 
  - There is no money in that for any camp.  ZombieHorde   Jun-25-08 08:10 PM   #26 
  - ...  Occam Bandage   Jun-25-08 09:09 PM   #28 
  - I don't know, either. I don't believe, but I could be mistaken.  varkam   Jun-25-08 10:32 PM   #29 
  - But can we say that we KNOW monsters under the bed don't exist?  trotsky   Jun-26-08 07:00 AM   #32 
  - Ceiling Cat can has existence? {EOM}  The Night Owl   Jun-26-08 02:34 PM   #35 
  - Indeed, faith does not equal knowing.  SidneyCarton   Jun-26-08 10:24 AM   #33 
  - Exactly. That's precisely the way I see it! nt  JerseygirlCT   Jun-26-08 02:26 PM   #34 
  - Saying 'We do not know' when in fact we do...  and-justice-for-all   Jun-26-08 07:44 PM   #38 
  - easy  StateRed   Jun-27-08 07:22 PM   #41 
     - Not really,  edhopper   Jun-28-08 10:31 AM   #42 
        - Indeed. nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-07-08 08:26 PM   #74 
  - Got me.  rug   Jun-26-08 08:54 PM   #39 
  - I wish the OP  edhopper   Jun-27-08 01:04 PM   #40 
  - what I do know - if it helps  Azooz   Jun-28-08 11:59 AM   #43 
  - Yawn  cyborg_jim   Jun-28-08 12:33 PM   #44 
  - And if we could take a single page of the Quran in Arabic  edhopper   Jun-28-08 12:57 PM   #45 
  - Aramaic  Azooz   Jun-28-08 05:02 PM   #48 
     - And if I talk to a scholar who is fluent in both  edhopper   Jun-28-08 05:43 PM   #50 
        - a book  Azooz   Jun-30-08 07:41 AM   #51 
           - Let's see the peer-reviewed analysis - i.e. not analysis from those with an obvious bias  cyborg_jim   Jun-30-08 02:05 PM   #54 
              - Then what?  Azooz   Jul-01-08 04:27 PM   #56 
                 - Arabics say "Arabic is the best!"  cyborg_jim   Jul-01-08 04:55 PM   #57 
                    - The Quran says Arabs be the worst :)  Azooz   Jul-02-08 08:03 AM   #58 
                       - Again  edhopper   Jul-02-08 08:36 AM   #59 
                          - one page?  Azooz   Jul-02-08 07:40 PM   #60 
                             - Okay, here you go,  edhopper   Jul-05-08 03:57 PM   #61 
                                - I like this one from Shakespeare, too...  PassingFair   Jul-05-08 04:28 PM   #62 
                                - English?  Azooz   Jul-05-08 06:34 PM   #63 
                                   - You missunderstand me  edhopper   Jul-05-08 07:02 PM   #64 
                                      - Other languages to?  Azooz   Jul-07-08 08:02 AM   #67 
                                         - I assume you've read the works of  edhopper   Jul-07-08 08:11 AM   #68 
                                            - Oh contraire  ironbark   Jul-07-08 10:57 AM   #70 
                                            - agreed  Azooz   Jul-07-08 01:59 PM   #71 
                                               - So in other words you've just accepted that the Quran is "the best" based on clearly biased sources?  cyborg_jim   Jul-07-08 02:08 PM   #72 
                                                  - no - from language usage  Azooz   Jul-07-08 02:56 PM   #73 
  - I find my avatar to be far more eloquent.  Occam Bandage   Jun-28-08 01:01 PM   #46 
  - Hi Azooz  ironbark   Jun-30-08 08:44 AM   #53 
     - HI!  Azooz   Jul-01-08 01:28 PM   #55 
  - Knowledge is the perception of truth.  patriotvoice   Jun-28-08 01:42 PM   #47 
  - I believe that makes you an agnostic  trixie   Jun-28-08 05:42 PM   #49 
  - Good way of putting it...  Taverner   Jul-05-08 07:57 PM   #65 
  - I don't know.  Marrah_G   Jun-30-08 08:12 AM   #52 
  - Some do know, but no power on earth is going to convince others.  pegleg   Jul-06-08 07:43 PM   #66 
  - Self-delete  LanternWaste   Jul-07-08 10:33 AM   #69 
 

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