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181. Even still, shouldn't that make us question the test?
I took it for a parental custody battle in high school, and I was shocked at how crazy it was. The general info section was easier than our Quiz Bowl questions, so that part was easy, but what if a teen hadn't studied all that stuff yet? Then, the other tests were such that, if you practiced them, you'd do better. How is that a test of intelligence? It's smart to practice them? I've questioned that test ever since.
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  -People with higher IQs are less likely to believe in God, according to a new study kpete  Jun-12-08 01:38 PM   #0 
  - Well, that's true in this household.  SharonAnn   Jun-12-08 01:39 PM   #1 
  - Not true in this House - a couple of 170's and other 5 not below 140 - all religious  papau   Jun-12-08 01:41 PM   #2 
  - Well it's a correlation, and hardly surprising n/t  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 01:42 PM   #7 
  - True - there are a lot of super ego obnoxious folks that publicly disdain religion and claim high IQ  papau   Jun-12-08 01:47 PM   #12 
     - Lol that's true. Personally I think religion has it's place  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 01:50 PM   #17 
     - Its intent is not to explain the universe.  nathan hale   Jun-12-08 05:14 PM   #113 
     - "super ego obnoxious folks" Wouldn't those be people with fishes and "got jesus?" stickers on their  Mountainman   Jun-12-08 01:57 PM   #31 
     - There is nothing wrong with *those* stickers  TheBorealAvenger   Jun-12-08 02:02 PM   #40 
     - Or, were it a Democratic bumper sticker...  LanternWaste   Jun-12-08 02:06 PM   #48 
        - Yes, I really think so. Doesn't matter what the message is.  Mountainman   Jun-12-08 02:11 PM   #54 
           - So, if I'm reading your post correctly...  LanternWaste   Jun-12-08 02:42 PM   #84 
     - Could you rephrase that in English?  NCevilDUer   Jun-12-08 02:06 PM   #45 
  - Some believers really drive themselves to achieve and to further develop their intellects  TheBorealAvenger   Jun-12-08 02:04 PM   #44 
  - Bet you feel stupid for not claiming a higher IQ  Goblinmonger   Jun-12-08 04:07 PM   #105 
  - How does one's ability to think and reason have anything to do with faith?  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 01:41 PM   #3 
  - UFOs, lucky numbers, WMDs...  TheBorealAvenger   Jun-12-08 01:57 PM   #34 
     - In much the same vein that accomplished scientists reconcile their "faith"  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 02:50 PM   #88 
        - Faith and reason are not correlative.  nathan hale   Jun-12-08 05:18 PM   #114 
  - Makes sense to me.  sellitman   Jun-12-08 01:42 PM   #4 
  - True in my observations.  Lex   Jun-12-08 01:42 PM   #5 
  - No kidding. I picked up a serious clue about this when I read  kestrel91316   Jun-12-08 01:42 PM   #6 
  - So how do they explain Sir Isaac Newton? Was he just a freak of nature?  lonestarnot   Jun-12-08 01:43 PM   #8 
  - It's not an absolute.  Lex   Jun-12-08 01:45 PM   #10 
  - Different time, different level of knowledge about nature and the universe.  Jim__   Jun-12-08 01:49 PM   #15 
     - Then Einstein came along and how do they explain him?  lonestarnot   Jun-12-08 01:51 PM   #20 
        - Like this  Lex   Jun-12-08 01:55 PM   #26 
        - As in post 26. And, from one of his letter's  Jim__   Jun-12-08 01:58 PM   #35 
        - Who gives a shit about Einstein?  uberllama42   Jun-12-08 02:36 PM   #81 
        - Einstein was not religious.  varkam   Jun-12-08 03:32 PM   #98 
  - Doh! Isn't that pretty self-evident.  fiziwig   Jun-12-08 01:43 PM   #9 
  - He's right in his observations, but......  vharlow   Jun-12-08 01:47 PM   #11 
  - Don't believe in evolution, eh?  Lex   Jun-12-08 01:48 PM   #13 
  - And because one could mix the two beliefs what then?  lonestarnot   Jun-12-08 01:52 PM   #22 
  - Since that specific poster referenced "the creator" I asked  Lex   Jun-12-08 01:57 PM   #29 
  - Not as a religion, no.  vharlow   Jun-12-08 02:06 PM   #46 
  - You are mixing lay usage of "theory" with scientific usage of "theory."  Lex   Jun-12-08 02:12 PM   #56 
     - Two theories?  vharlow   Jun-12-08 02:35 PM   #80 
        - Red herring  uberllama42   Jun-12-08 03:01 PM   #90 
        - Here you go Vharlow - question answered  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 03:10 PM   #92 
        - So, do you think an eohippus could cross breed with any modern  NCevilDUer   Jun-12-08 06:02 PM   #118 
  - Do you believe in evolution?  nathan hale   Jun-12-08 05:28 PM   #116 
  - LOL.  NCevilDUer   Jun-12-08 01:55 PM   #27 
  - My 'creators' were my Mum and Dad. As for being a believer...I believe I'll have another Mojito.  AzDar   Jun-12-08 02:04 PM   #42 
  - There's a belief system that works for me!  smoogatz   Jun-12-08 04:27 PM   #108 
  - Isn't saying "the Creator" elitist? I think it is. It supposes you have the truth and someone else  Mountainman   Jun-12-08 02:04 PM   #43 
  - Well, the only true elite is the creator.  vharlow   Jun-12-08 02:08 PM   #50 
     - and who might that be?  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-12-08 02:19 PM   #64 
        - Chuck Norris.  uberllama42   Jun-12-08 03:02 PM   #91 
  - you're fun.  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-12-08 02:15 PM   #59 
  - "Halleluliah (sic) and Thanks to Freerepublic." (sick)  Lex   Jun-12-08 02:19 PM   #65 
     - indeed, i looked her up on google after she said Al-Quaeda targeted puppies, it's been hella fun  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-12-08 02:20 PM   #66 
     - Oh noes! Not the puppies!  Lex   Jun-12-08 02:27 PM   #74 
     - Bwahahahah well done Mr. Watson well done n/t  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 03:20 PM   #94 
  - "When it's all over, there will only be believers."  trotsky   Jun-12-08 02:31 PM   #76 
  - oh I seriously doubt any believers will survive.  nebenaube   Jun-12-08 02:45 PM   #86 
  - sigh. This reminds me of the years I tried to become a Christian  librechik   Jun-12-08 01:48 PM   #14 
  - I am in absolute agreement with you about the teachings of Jesus.  elocs   Jun-12-08 01:55 PM   #28 
     - "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians"  Mountainman   Jun-12-08 02:06 PM   #47 
  - HELLO! 220 here. There is a God and Physics tends to prove that.  Wizard777   Jun-12-08 01:50 PM   #16 
  - How does physics "prove" a belief in god? n/t  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 01:52 PM   #21 
  - It proves His existence. At least in the alchemical interpretations of what constitutes God.  Wizard777   Jun-12-08 02:09 PM   #52 
     - Physics Proves This?  Beetwasher   Jun-12-08 02:13 PM   #57 
     - Wow.... LoLz  cbc5g   Jun-12-08 02:14 PM   #58 
     - Extend it infinitely. You'll see.  Wizard777   Jun-12-08 02:23 PM   #71 
        - Turtles all the way down!  Kerry4Kerry   Jun-13-08 09:06 AM   #156 
        - Been there, done that, realised what a null hypothesis was, stopped.  Random_Australian   Jun-13-08 08:30 PM   #174 
     - Ahhh, so god is who/whatever you want it to be?  EOTE   Jun-12-08 02:17 PM   #61 
     - And you know that this God is a male, how?  cbc5g   Jun-12-08 02:22 PM   #70 
     - The first movement of what?  Jim__   Jun-12-08 02:33 PM   #79 
     - The idea that the universe is "one" doesn't "prove" anything other than  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 02:39 PM   #82 
     - Actually, that is exactly what we do -  NCevilDUer   Jun-12-08 06:22 PM   #120 
     - Harry, I was kinda hoping you knew more physics than a high school junior.  Occam Bandage   Jun-12-08 08:24 PM   #124 
     - Thank you for a good laugh. nt  John Gauger   Jun-12-08 09:18 PM   #128 
     - That does indeed prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you aren't very good at physics.  Random_Australian   Jun-13-08 07:20 PM   #171 
  - Lol, that has got to be a joke.  cbc5g   Jun-12-08 01:54 PM   # 
  - 220 what? SAT score?...nt  SidDithers   Jun-12-08 01:57 PM   #32 
  - No IQ. I'm considered to be a theoretical genius.  Wizard777   Jun-12-08 02:10 PM   #53 
     - You disguise it well. nt  greyl   Jun-12-08 02:39 PM   #83 
     - *SNORT*  trotsky   Jun-12-08 03:23 PM   #96 
     - You reached way, way too high, buddy. When you lie, make it believable.  Occam Bandage   Jun-12-08 08:21 PM   #123 
        - I know  Goblinmonger   Jun-12-08 09:06 PM   #126 
        - Okay...  Dorian Gray   Jun-13-08 08:24 AM   #153 
        - No joke...  Dorian Gray   Jun-13-08 08:24 AM   #152 
  - please elaborate  eShirl   Jun-12-08 01:57 PM   #33 
  - See above  Wizard777   Jun-12-08 02:11 PM   #55 
  - ....  Forkboy   Jun-12-08 01:58 PM   #37 
  - 220? Just EIGHT measly standard deviations above the mean?  Gentle Giant   Jun-12-08 02:20 PM   #68 
  - Thanks for that.  varkam   Jun-12-08 03:33 PM   #99 
     - ...  trotsky   Jun-12-08 03:39 PM   #100 
  - You are saying you have an IQ of 220?  Goblinmonger   Jun-12-08 04:04 PM   #103 
  - IIRC, Marilyn vos Savant clocks in at 190. nt  NCevilDUer   Jun-13-08 10:35 AM   #160 
     - No, I thought it was 218 - the highest ever recorded.  Random_Australian   Jun-13-08 07:38 PM   #172 
        - Depends on the test used. Different dests score differently.  Occam Bandage   Jun-15-08 12:56 PM   #183 
           - Yeah, (after posting) I kinda realised that. n/t  Random_Australian   Jun-15-08 06:03 PM   #185 
  - Good job.  John Gauger   Jun-12-08 09:29 PM   #131 
  - 220  Dorian Gray   Jun-13-08 08:21 AM   #151 
  - According to Mensa, the bottom margin of the top two percent is 132  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-15-08 01:29 AM   #179 
     - Only if he's applied for membership and paid dues.  Occam Bandage   Jun-15-08 12:55 PM   #182 
        - He seems awfully proud of his score; certainly, he has a card to prove it  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-15-08 01:39 PM   #184 
  - Ahh, reading comprehension. What a wonderful thing.  elocs   Jun-12-08 01:50 PM   #18 
  - but that's what makes this thread so entertaining ;)  eShirl   Jun-12-08 01:58 PM   #36 
  - LOL--I know. Some are definitely proving the point.  Lex   Jun-12-08 02:00 PM   #38 
  - Its a flamebait topic.  undeterred   Jun-12-08 02:29 PM   #75 
  - What God?  whistle   Jun-12-08 01:51 PM   #19 
  - That one over there!  Random_Australian   Jun-13-08 03:39 AM   #148 
  - Its cause we know how to read and avoid scams. n/t  ORDagnabbit   Jun-12-08 01:53 PM   #23 
  - My experience doesn't bear this out  JerseygirlCT   Jun-12-08 01:54 PM   #24 
  - I absolutely agree.  LanternWaste   Jun-13-08 12:57 PM   #164 
  - This gets my DUH! award. Hello! believe in superstitions anyone!  Mountainman   Jun-12-08 01:54 PM   #25 
  - Depends on reasoning, critical thinking skills and upbringing  cbc5g   Jun-12-08 01:57 PM   #30 
  - Some of us aspire to be Vulcans; others aspire to be Klingons,  NCevilDUer   Jun-12-08 02:16 PM   #60 
  - i'm sure faith or lack thereof has nothing to do w/ standard of living  batwing   Jun-12-08 02:01 PM   #39 
  - Actually IQ is highly correlated with a number of things  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 02:42 PM   #85 
     - I think the wealth thing is more nurture than nature  sleebarker   Jun-13-08 05:11 PM   #169 
  - Gee, no bias there at all.  undeterred   Jun-12-08 02:03 PM   #41 
  - Please elaborate. n/t  Goblinmonger   Jun-12-08 09:25 PM   #130 
  - Well, good for me......  sshan2525   Jun-12-08 02:07 PM   #49 
  - What proof exists that there is only one God or many Gods or no Gods at all?  cbc5g   Jun-12-08 02:08 PM   #51 
  - Right, just look at Thom Hartmann.  undeterred   Jun-12-08 02:18 PM   #62 
  - See Post #18.  Lex   Jun-12-08 02:23 PM   #72 
  - Duh!!!!!  malaise   Jun-12-08 02:18 PM   #63 
  - Well no shit...  snooper2   Jun-12-08 02:20 PM   #67 
  - I do not believe that  Lifetimedem   Jun-12-08 02:21 PM   #69 
  - I believe the article said "less likely" -- not "in all instances."  Lex   Jun-12-08 02:24 PM   #73 
  - One does not need to be an intellectual to understand...  cbc5g   Jun-12-08 02:33 PM   #78 
     - Much like the writing's of Plato and Aristotle  LanternWaste   Jun-13-08 01:01 PM   #165 
  - cue the people claiming IQ scores well above 150  enki23   Jun-12-08 02:32 PM   #77 
  - Seriously though  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 02:45 PM   #87 
  - I think it's those "free on-line IQ tests."  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-12-08 03:10 PM   #93 
  - I've taken a couple and they gave me the same scores as in childhool/adolescence  Indenturedebtor   Jun-12-08 03:23 PM   #95 
  - In my experience, highly intelligent people rarely tell you their IQ  moggie   Jun-13-08 08:43 AM   #154 
  - People with higher IQs are less likely to believe in IQ tests n/t  cosmik debris   Jun-12-08 02:55 PM   #89 
  - Funny. nt  greyl   Jun-12-08 03:24 PM   #97 
  - I find it oddly ironic...  varkam   Jun-12-08 03:53 PM   #101 
  - i guess they're a bit intellectually lazy for ultra-geniuses  enki23   Jun-12-08 03:55 PM   #102 
  - I noticed that too.  heidler1   Jun-12-08 05:22 PM   #115 
  - Shush! I'm dying here. This thread is A-grade freaking hilarious.  Random_Australian   Jun-12-08 06:50 PM   #122 
  - "Birds of a feather flock together." IMO is true. If Atheists can lay claim to the peak of the IQ  heidler1   Jun-12-08 04:06 PM   #104 
  - Well, I have an IQ of 294  Goblinmonger   Jun-12-08 04:08 PM   #106 
     - My sister scored 294...her nickname in our family is dimbulb.  Evoman   Jun-12-08 04:24 PM   #107 
     - Two problems with your score  Goblinmonger   Jun-12-08 09:45 PM   #132 
        - Actually, if I remember correctly, Canadian IQ is worth more at the moment that American.  Evoman   Jun-13-08 12:42 AM   #136 
           - Don't you find a high IQ a hindrance in Canada?  moggie   Jun-13-08 08:46 AM   #155 
              - Of course. Which is why I'm only one of a small elite select that can't stand watching hockey.  Evoman   Jun-13-08 12:01 PM   #161 
                 - Oh, I had to give that up  moggie   Jun-13-08 05:10 PM   #168 
     - Mine's at least triple that  charlie   Jun-12-08 04:33 PM   #109 
     - You lie. Nobody can outhink a plate of beans. Nobody.  Evoman   Jun-12-08 04:58 PM   #112 
        - I once saw a man do it on teevee! His name was John Edwerds.  Random_Australian   Jun-13-08 01:09 AM   #141 
           - Which John Edwards? "The Hair" or "The Psychic"?  Evoman   Jun-13-08 01:55 AM   #145 
              - True, a plate of beans was better at chess than me. But I beat them at kickboxing.  Random_Australian   Jun-13-08 03:34 AM   #147 
     - My IQ requires scientific notation. n/t  cosmik debris   Jun-12-08 04:36 PM   #110 
     - It sure does.  Evoman   Jun-12-08 04:57 PM   #111 
        - THAT'S IT!  cosmik debris   Jun-12-08 06:18 PM   #119 
        - LMAO  trotsky   Jun-12-08 08:57 PM   #125 
     - Hah! Do you know why they invented graham's number?  Random_Australian   Jun-12-08 06:38 PM   #121 
        - Now, think about a typical fundamentalist Christian view of an afterlife...  Kerry4Kerry   Jun-13-08 10:01 AM   #159 
  - So, what's the corollary?  knitter4democracy   Jun-12-08 05:33 PM   #117 
  - Eh? And last I looked, psych says that there are indeed a statistical measure  Random_Australian   Jun-13-08 07:43 PM   #173 
     - There's the problem, though: if the test itself is questionable . . .  knitter4democracy   Jun-14-08 09:45 AM   #177 
        - Ah, right, sorry. I assumed it was the same as the old ones, that showed in a single  Random_Australian   Jun-15-08 01:14 AM   #178 
        - Which is one of the reasons that IQ tests are revised regularly.  varkam   Jun-15-08 04:21 AM   #180 
           - Even still, shouldn't that make us question the test?  knitter4democracy   Jun-15-08 12:35 PM   #181 
              - Those are valid concerns.  varkam   Jun-15-08 10:26 PM   #186 
                 - Maybe our psych wasn't that good at it, then.  knitter4democracy   Jun-16-08 10:55 AM   #187 
                    - IIRC, the Stanford Binet...  varkam   Jun-16-08 12:29 PM   #189 
  - Hey, I have an idea!  Zebedeo   Jun-12-08 09:15 PM   #127 
  - I have a better one!  charlie   Jun-13-08 12:45 AM   #137 
     - Washed in the blood  Zebedeo   Jun-13-08 12:54 AM   #138 
        - Your karma ran over my dogma  charlie   Jun-13-08 01:02 AM   #139 
           - IF you can read this, you're too damn close.  Evoman   Jun-13-08 01:06 AM   #140 
           - My other car is a Mercedes  charlie   Jun-13-08 01:09 AM   #142 
           - Read it;  Zebedeo   Jun-13-08 01:38 AM   #143 
              - One that made me laugh  charlie   Jun-13-08 01:46 AM   #144 
              - Dyslexics of the world  Zebedeo   Jun-13-08 02:05 AM   #146 
                 - Or the terrible joke about the insomniac agnostic dyslexic,  Random_Australian   Jun-13-08 03:42 AM   #149 
              - That's right Zeb.  John Gauger   Jun-13-08 12:18 PM   #162 
                 - You don't understand the bumper sticker  Zebedeo   Jun-13-08 04:30 PM   #166 
                    - No. Not even.  charlie   Jun-13-08 04:52 PM   #167 
                    - Actually, I think it's more aimed towards Spanish speakers.  John Gauger   Jun-13-08 09:21 PM   #176 
                    - Neither the Japanese nor the Germans ever attempted to invade the United States.  John Gauger   Jun-13-08 09:18 PM   #175 
                       - The Axis powers  Zebedeo   Jun-16-08 11:39 AM   #188 
  - Who gives a shit about IQ?  John Gauger   Jun-12-08 09:21 PM   #129 
  - You're just jealous  Goblinmonger   Jun-12-08 09:47 PM   #133 
     - Yeah, but I do have a sixteen inch dick.  John Gauger   Jun-12-08 09:59 PM   #134 
     - Man, eight fucking standard deviations  uberllama42   Jun-12-08 10:00 PM   #135 
  - You know Richard Lynn's history?  moggie   Jun-13-08 06:44 AM   #150 
  - The important thing is that people be judged as individuals, however...  Kerry4Kerry   Jun-13-08 09:43 AM   #158 
  - I knew it. The way his use of the word "intellectual elite" made me think of eugenics.  anonymous171   Jun-13-08 12:26 PM   #163 
  - I don't believe in IQ......nt  regularguy   Jun-13-08 09:08 AM   #157 
  - was musing more about the idea that IQ means wealth and my editing period expired  sleebarker   Jun-13-08 06:26 PM   #170 
 

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