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28. Well I think there is confusion throughout the thread about pronouns and rhetorical questions
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 09:22 AM by HamdenRice
Unfortunately, American English does not have a third person indefinite pronoun as British English does, which leads to some confusion -- that is, we use "you" or "I" for "one."

To review, the OP asks, essentially, "am I my brother's keeper" and the OPer concludes, "I treat every individual fairly."

I assumed that the "I" in "am I my brother's keeper" means "one" -- is anyone his or her brother's keeper -- but that toward the end, when she says, "I treat" people fairly she is referring to herself personally.

My response was:

"If a small group agrees ontologically and behaves similarly ...

it is almost inevitable that they will be perceived as some sort of "clique," and in such circumstances I would say yes, one is responsible for one's cohorts' behavior."

Notice the highlighted pronouns. Now this is a rhetorical statement, because it does not refer to the "I" (Sue) in the last sentence of her OP, but the "I" (anyone) in the subject line. A familiarity with international (non-American) English would lead one to the conclusion that neither "they" nor "one" referred to Sue; otherwise the post would have simply said "you." Therefore the response obviously was phrased as a rhetorical answer to a rhetorical question.

So I was well aware this question was rhetorical and my comments obviously were rhetorical also are not directed at Sue.

But both rhetorically speaking and specifically with respect to this forum, I'll stick to the substance of my point: if people have similar ideas, make the same points, behave in a similar pattern and even coordinate their ideas in another forum, then they will be perceived to be members of a group that have responsibilities for each other's behaviors.

That is, indeed, the way the group in question is perceived outside the R/T Forum and by occasional visitors.
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  -Am I my brother's keeper? turtlensue  Jun-01-08 06:58 PM   #0 
  - I agree  uberllama42   Jun-01-08 07:12 PM   #1 
  - And a good two cents it is  JerseygirlCT   Jun-01-08 07:25 PM   #2 
  - People speak for themselves  Turbineguy   Jun-01-08 07:29 PM   #3 
  - You may very well say the same about HRC and BO's over-zealous supporters...  DCKit   Jun-01-08 07:29 PM   #4 
  - I agree completely on those points.  turtlensue   Jun-01-08 07:33 PM   #5 
  - Very interestingt  wellstone dem   Jun-01-08 07:54 PM   #6 
  - Good question/discussion, but I interpret the question differently  checks-n-balances   Jun-01-08 08:35 PM   #7 
  - Interesting idea.  igil   Jun-02-08 01:56 PM   #24 
  - Do you look after his Bees? How the hell would we know !?!?  ironbark   Jun-01-08 09:02 PM   #8 
  - If a small group agrees ontologically and behaves similarly ...  HamdenRice   Jun-01-08 09:38 PM   #9 
  - great  turtlensue   Jun-01-08 09:56 PM   #10 
  - "So I can hold you responsible for the fundies that troll"  HamdenRice   Jun-01-08 10:00 PM   #11 
     - ...  turtlensue   Jun-01-08 10:27 PM   #12 
     - He jumped the shark with that one  moggie   Jun-02-08 02:27 PM   #25 
     - You certainly have been behaving as such.  varkam   Jun-01-08 10:55 PM   #14 
     - Hey, I'm the third party doing the perceiving here.  cosmik debris   Jun-01-08 11:06 PM   #17 
  - So perception equals responsibility?  varkam   Jun-01-08 10:53 PM   #13 
  - WHAT A HOOT!  cosmik debris   Jun-01-08 10:55 PM   #15 
  - Whhhhhaat????!!!!  Evoman   Jun-02-08 01:02 AM   #19 
  - Good post, but I had a funny feeling that it wouldn't be long before...  varkam   Jun-01-08 10:59 PM   #16 
  - So why was the question asked?  HamdenRice   Jun-02-08 07:16 AM   #20 
     - Sure there's two possible opinions on the issue.  varkam   Jun-02-08 10:35 AM   #22 
        - somebody doesn't understand the value  turtlensue   Jun-02-08 10:54 AM   #23 
           - No, I think someone does.  varkam   Jun-02-08 10:02 PM   #27 
              - Well I think there is confusion throughout the thread about pronouns and rhetorical questions  HamdenRice   Jun-03-08 09:20 AM   #28 
                 - You are the ONLY one confused about the meaning of this thread  turtlensue   Jun-03-08 09:42 AM   #29 
                 - That's your opinion  HamdenRice   Jun-03-08 09:52 AM   #30 
                    - HamdenRice antagonistic?  varkam   Jun-03-08 05:14 PM   #33 
                       - antogonistic?  HamdenRice   Jun-03-08 05:59 PM   #35 
                          - You appear to be much more willing to forget your egregiously antagonistic posts than others are.  greyl   Jun-03-08 06:22 PM   #36 
                          - ...  trotsky   Jun-03-08 06:46 PM   #37 
                          - GAHAHAHAHAAH THE IRONY KILLS ME!  Evoman   Jun-03-08 07:08 PM   #40 
                          - Here's the thing, Hamden...  varkam   Jun-03-08 10:38 PM   #46 
                          - There is no necessary connection between race and behavior  HamdenRice   Jun-04-08 06:18 AM   #48 
                             - #2 Blame Others. n/t  trotsky   Jun-04-08 07:00 AM   #49 
                             - C'mon Hamden, give us the scoop.  cosmik debris   Jun-04-08 07:20 AM   #50 
                             - Oh you want to make this a popularity contest?  turtlensue   Jun-04-08 07:29 AM   #51 
                             - "because of their emotional reaction to my ideas"? Pathetic.  greyl   Jun-04-08 08:55 AM   #53 
                                - Rush Limbaugh Logic.  trotsky   Jun-04-08 12:53 PM   #55 
                          - I don't think it's the presentation..  LanternWaste   Sep-11-08 03:53 PM   #60 
                 - The Ultimate "Blame Others" post.  cosmik debris   Jun-03-08 10:18 AM   #31 
                 - Again, though...  varkam   Jun-03-08 05:13 PM   #32 
                    - I disagree  HamdenRice   Jun-03-08 05:55 PM   #34 
                    - How interesting.  trotsky   Jun-03-08 06:55 PM   #39 
                    - So, are you saying that another member of his clique is responsible  cosmik debris   Jun-03-08 07:09 PM   #41 
                       - Since HR is saying a clique should be held responsible for one of their members,  trotsky   Jun-03-08 07:14 PM   #42 
                          - I doubt that too  cosmik debris   Jun-03-08 07:21 PM   #43 
                          - I just realized something  cosmik debris   Jun-03-08 08:16 PM   #44 
                             - DUDE  trotsky   Jun-03-08 08:47 PM   #45 
                    - What the hell? What about me?  Goblinmonger   Jun-03-08 10:59 PM   #47 
                    - When we need leadership  cosmik debris   Jun-04-08 07:54 AM   #52 
                    - I still want to know where my free will went????  cosmik debris   Jun-04-08 12:42 PM   #54 
                    - Ya know, it makes you wonder  cosmik debris   Jun-03-08 06:51 PM   #38 
  - Man, I've argued the same thing.  Evoman   Jun-02-08 12:23 AM   #18 
  - I like this post!  Dorian Gray   Jun-02-08 02:55 PM   #26 
  - It depends  MrWiggles   Jun-02-08 07:55 AM   #21 
  - I think "keeper" is a poor word  MikeH   Jun-14-08 07:30 PM   #56 
  - Yes. And your sister's.  rug   Jun-15-08 09:49 PM   #57 
  - Horsefeathers!!!!!  BobKasp   Sep-02-08 06:31 AM   #58 
  - Topic creators are vile. Why do you hate puppies?  ZombieHorde   Sep-02-08 02:36 PM   #59 
 

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