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21. It's not about believing there is only one way but
It *is* about believing in things that are *rational and logical*.

And yes, I think that's an incredibly fair distinction to make. Ultimately it's true, if people want to embrace what atheists and agnostics consider to be fantasy and it gives them hope and joy and makes them better people, great.

The problem is when they try to influence laws on abortion, marriage, stem cell research, contraception, HPV vaccination and so on.

The other problem is making people feel ashamed and guilty over nonsense (sex before marriage, masturbation, etc.), or creating and following other rather arbitrary and random rules about how to live life. Not killing, lying, stealing and cheating make perfect sense, with or without a bible. However the same cannot be said about wanting to ban gay marriage, avoiding shell fish or burning in a horrible pit of fire for eternity for not falling in line.

I think the pounding the head against the wall is frustration over the idea that so many people could be duped into believing in things that seem to be nonsensical by any logical measure. And yes, I realize the response might be "these things go beyond logic and reason and shouldn't be judged on those terms" but that kind of proves the point.

In short, religion can result in a lot of wonderful things but it can also result in a lot of horrible (or at least irrational and questionable) things. People can debate about the percentages either way (not that it's that easy to quantify), but it's foolish to pretend that there is no good (and more importantly for the masses, no bad) that can come of it.
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  -78% of the US population believe in angels BlueJazz  May-31-08 07:57 AM   #0 
  - So, what is an "angel"  hlthe2b   May-31-08 08:02 AM   #1 
  - A pure spirit. Though it may assume another form as one did, for example,  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-31-08 03:49 PM   #67 
  - Flashes of light  sheeptramp   May-31-08 04:34 PM   #84 
  - "When Zeus hurls a lighning bolt, is He throwing an angel?"  awoke_in_2003   Jun-02-08 12:15 AM   #207 
  - Well, when it happened to me (in my early twenties), I would barely have noticed it - if at all, had  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-02-08 05:35 PM   #216 
  - Those flashes may just be a migraine. (nt)  FatDave   May-31-08 06:28 PM   #124 
  - Like This?  bushmeat   May-31-08 06:34 PM   #127 
  - and itsn't something like only 40% "believe" in evolution?  turtlensue   Jun-01-08 03:23 PM   #174 
  - 42% for nation overall but 43% for Catholics  struggle4progress   Jun-01-08 06:30 PM   #198 
  - There are no definitions in the poll. It's not even clear how the questions were phrased  struggle4progress   Jun-01-08 06:31 PM   #199 
  - 78% are dopes.  MullenBank   May-31-08 08:04 AM   #2 
  - which is probably more than  iamthebandfanman   May-31-08 08:04 AM   #3 
  - Well, I'm married to one.......n/t  ayeshahaqqiqa   May-31-08 08:05 AM   #4 
  - Good answer!  mithnanthy   May-31-08 08:17 PM   #141 
     - Me three!  DFW   Jun-01-08 07:16 AM   #163 
  - no harm in it, I suppose  rucky   May-31-08 08:05 AM   #5 
  - That's what happens when people are ignorant  sleebarker   May-31-08 10:55 AM   #6 
  - Maybe my favorite book ever  uberllama42   May-31-08 02:07 PM   #29 
  - From what I gather, our Carl would be an expert on stumbling around in the dark.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-31-08 03:08 PM   #54 
  - What are you talking about?  uberllama42   May-31-08 05:34 PM   #100 
  - The book is...  The Night Owl   May-31-08 09:38 PM   #149 
  - Then you think that anyone/everyone  LanternWaste   Jun-01-08 02:56 PM   #170 
  - Why does that make you angry? n/t  Uncle Joe   May-31-08 11:07 AM   #7 
  - Because these people influence OUR lives.  EOTE   May-31-08 02:48 PM   #46 
     - That is too sad to even be funny. It is the combination of atheism (both formal  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-31-08 03:12 PM   #56 
     - Where did I even mention Christianity?  EOTE   May-31-08 03:21 PM   #61 
     - "I know some fairly rational Christians. But none of them believe in magical, invisible creatures."  baby_mouse   May-31-08 08:33 PM   #143 
        - I was referring to angels and other aspects of Christianity.  EOTE   Jun-01-08 10:28 AM   #164 
     - How is atheism leading to chaos and destruction?  uberllama42   May-31-08 04:50 PM   #90 
     - "we have always had chaos and destruction"  awoke_in_2003   Jun-02-08 12:19 AM   #208 
     - Say what?  varkam   May-31-08 05:53 PM   #108 
     - You can't get away with that one...  JackRiddler   Jun-01-08 03:40 PM   #180 
     - Well I ended up answering my own question by post 25  Uncle Joe   May-31-08 03:16 PM   #57 
     - Post hoc ergo prompter hoc  LanternWaste   Jun-01-08 03:00 PM   #172 
        - I never said that irrational beliefs caused ALL of our failings as a society.  EOTE   Jun-01-08 03:06 PM   #173 
        - "many acts of inhumanity had nothing to do with religion"  awoke_in_2003   Jun-02-08 12:21 AM   #209 
  - well yeah  jmunger   May-31-08 11:15 AM   #8 
  - so? bangin head on wall cause you INSIST people must believe as you?  seabeyond   May-31-08 11:24 AM   #9 
  - Atheism. The New Fundamentalism.  kineta   May-31-08 12:07 PM   #12 
  - Why do you label all of D.U. by one or even a few poster's beliefs? n/t  Uncle Joe   May-31-08 12:35 PM   #13 
  - it is more than a few and the anger and divide grows bigger and bigger  seabeyond   May-31-08 01:02 PM   #18 
  - I would be willing to wager if you took a poll here at D.U.  Uncle Joe   May-31-08 01:15 PM   #20 
  - i NEVER say all none never always..... bah hahhaha. see the funny. you are right  seabeyond   May-31-08 02:36 PM   #43 
  - My post #13 was in response to post #12, not the O.P.  Uncle Joe   May-31-08 02:46 PM   #45 
     - i understand  seabeyond   May-31-08 03:07 PM   #53 
  - What exactly is a fundamentalist atheist?  martymar64   Jul-03-08 07:45 PM   #237 
  - "rejection of ALLOWING another to have differing views"  Kerry4Kerry   Jun-03-08 10:09 AM   #220 
  - hmmm, maybe it's because of the numerous times I've seen snarky and disrespectful cliches  kineta   May-31-08 04:39 PM   #88 
     - Not as many as "believe or you're going to hell" remarks everywhere else.  martymar64   Jul-03-08 07:50 PM   #238 
  - i was gonna say at du anyway..... i hadn't looked at it that way, but you are right  seabeyond   May-31-08 01:03 PM   #19 
  - That's "Hatetheism", not Atheism...  Ghost in the Machine   May-31-08 09:27 PM   #145 
  - wink. lol. cute. and dont we say the same of the christian that is hate....  seabeyond   May-31-08 09:44 PM   #151 
  - Ironically, some atheists, much like dominionists, seek to banish the essence of faith: mystery  Echo In Light   Jun-01-08 06:33 AM   #160 
  - Your monumental loquaciousness seeks to obfuscate conjecture  GreenJ   Jun-01-08 11:31 AM   #166 
  - and i thought it was interesting....n/t  seabeyond   Jun-01-08 11:41 AM   #167 
  - And here I thought it was a rather laconic, terse posting  Echo In Light   Jun-01-08 04:32 PM   #194 
  - "where everything is knowable"  awoke_in_2003   Jun-02-08 12:35 AM   #211 
  - Utterly and completely wrong  Kerry4Kerry   Jun-03-08 10:30 AM   #221 
  - I like it! LOL - Fundamentalist Hatetheists!  bananas   Jun-01-08 07:53 PM   #203 
  - Check out the latest book by Chris Hedges, I don't believe in atheists  Echo In Light   Jun-01-08 06:03 AM   #159 
  - Chris Hedges, pompous blowhard who gets chopped to pieces by Hitchens  JackRiddler   Jun-01-08 03:45 PM   #185 
  - Catch phrases are so useful...  Dogtown   Jun-01-08 02:51 PM   #169 
  - That is right-  awoke_in_2003   Jun-02-08 12:27 AM   #210 
  - It shows that four out of five people believe something on zero evidence  uberllama42   May-31-08 02:06 PM   #28 
  - i can as easily suggest there is a lack in critical thinking per your post  seabeyond   May-31-08 02:33 PM   #42 
  - Do you know what critical thinking entails?  uberllama42   May-31-08 05:25 PM   #96 
  - Do you know what critical thinking is?  John Gauger   Jun-01-08 06:42 PM   #200 
  - "there are so many ways a person can see the angel issue alone"  awoke_in_2003   Jun-02-08 12:37 AM   #212 
  - just because  northernlights   May-31-08 04:28 PM   #82 
  - My disbelief in angles  awoke_in_2003   Jun-02-08 12:39 AM   #213 
  - Any old illusion can be "real to them"  cyborg_jim   Jun-10-08 02:13 AM   #225 
  - I believe in angles.  redwitch   Jun-01-08 03:46 PM   #186 
  - Agree with you, 100% .  ChazII   May-31-08 02:15 PM   #33 
  - I don't believe people should believe in what I believe in....only that...  BlueJazz   May-31-08 04:06 PM   #76 
  - ya, bush doesnt mind living in a dictatorship as long as he is the dictator either  seabeyond   May-31-08 04:34 PM   #85 
     - I was 95 percent kidding but what you say is very true.  BlueJazz   May-31-08 06:29 PM   #125 
        - i figured you were.  seabeyond   May-31-08 06:34 PM   #126 
  - I agree as well  HughMoran   Jun-01-08 04:27 PM   #193 
  - True story  malaise   May-31-08 11:40 AM   #10 
  - I believe that the Angels suck  Saint Etienne17   May-31-08 11:42 AM   #11 
  - Rangers  Aragorn   May-31-08 02:10 PM   #31 
     - "I've been trying to believe for years now..."  awoke_in_2003   Jun-02-08 12:42 AM   #214 
  - Choice  unauno   May-31-08 12:44 PM   #14 
  - I don't think anyone advocates forcing others to believe or disbelieve anything  uberllama42   May-31-08 02:16 PM   #34 
     - As before, choice.  unauno   May-31-08 06:09 PM   #118 
        - Tell that to all of the children  skepticscott   Jun-07-08 04:41 PM   #223 
  - That's just weird.  Iris   May-31-08 12:45 PM   #15 
  - And?  Zynx   May-31-08 12:47 PM   #16 
  - Some say they are theoretical constructs.  sheeptramp   May-31-08 12:52 PM   #17 
  - It's not about believing there is only one way but  ihavenobias   May-31-08 01:24 PM   #21 
  - I believe faith is a literal DNA ingrained requirement for survival. From Al Gore's  Uncle Joe   May-31-08 01:56 PM   #25 
     - Maybe  ihavenobias   May-31-08 02:01 PM   #26 
        - I'm somewhat agnostic my self but it seems to me faith and hope  Uncle Joe   May-31-08 02:19 PM   #36 
  - Angels don't care about kids in Darfur starving or kids in Rwanda getting arms cut off.  TexasObserver   May-31-08 01:34 PM   #22 
  - Exactly.  RedCappedBandit   May-31-08 02:16 PM   #35 
     - Always Remember  ihavenobias   May-31-08 03:00 PM   #49 
  - I do  lovuian   May-31-08 01:35 PM   #23 
  - I used to believe  sheeptramp   May-31-08 01:53 PM   #24 
  - That's what happens when you don't pray enough  ihavenobias   May-31-08 02:02 PM   #27 
     - Its more complicated than that  sheeptramp   May-31-08 02:12 PM   #32 
        - I agree on the Genies  ihavenobias   May-31-08 02:21 PM   #38 
        - A Centaur comes into my room while I'm sleeping and puts crust in my eyes  LeviathanCrumbling   May-31-08 04:09 PM   #77 
  - Angels only protect white conservatives, didnt you know?  cbc5g   May-31-08 02:07 PM   #30 
  - Sez who??? I've been a liberal all my life,  Raksha   May-31-08 02:21 PM   #40 
  - you don't believe that do you?  fascisthunter   May-31-08 02:20 PM   #37 
  - Substantially more than the secular fundamentalists who refuse to accept that science  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-31-08 02:21 PM   #39 
  - They accept their ignorance, whereas religion is the ultimate hubris  PurityOfEssence   May-31-08 02:38 PM   #44 
  - On the contrary, you show your limited knowledge of both the role of  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-31-08 03:00 PM   #50 
     - Congratulations, you've once again proven yourself conclusively correct  PurityOfEssence   May-31-08 04:12 PM   #78 
  - Both secularists and theists agree that science knows next to nothing.  EOTE   May-31-08 03:10 PM   #55 
     - That's funny. So would I! You're a great one for strawmen, aren't you?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-31-08 03:16 PM   #58 
        - When did I ever suggest they weren't humble?  EOTE   May-31-08 03:24 PM   #62 
        - And science is humble because it recognizes how much is out there to be known.  EOTE   May-31-08 03:34 PM   #63 
        - I'd suggest reading a bit closer next time.  EOTE   May-31-08 03:40 PM   #65 
           - Too late to try and wriggle out of it. Your multiple successive posts  KCabotDullesMarxIII   May-31-08 03:45 PM   #66 
              - Give me a break! You didn't refute anything I said!  EOTE   May-31-08 03:53 PM   #69 
  - Magical thinking, the prelude to a new dark age  nadinbrzezinski   May-31-08 02:26 PM   #41 
  - There is still a culture of reason in many of the major cities and wealth centers  LeviathanCrumbling   May-31-08 04:18 PM   #80 
  - the dark ages were surprisingly not all that dark...  NuttyFluffers   Jun-01-08 04:57 AM   #157 
  - shrug  galledgoblin   May-31-08 02:51 PM   #47 
  - I have seen them. If you look close all of them seem to have this somewhere.  retread   May-31-08 02:57 PM   #48 
  - How can you really be sure...  sheeptramp   May-31-08 03:07 PM   #52 
  - i think many people are untruthful when they are polled.  chimpsrsmarter   May-31-08 03:03 PM   #51 
  - I can imagine a believer being too embarassed to admit it.  EOTE   May-31-08 03:17 PM   #59 
  - That's because you're a professing non-believer...  JackRiddler   Jun-01-08 03:51 PM   #189 
  - It's true! Did you know 74% of statistics are just made up on the spot?  eppur_se_muova   May-31-08 04:37 PM   #87 
  - So? Who the hell are you to tell someone else what to believe or not to believe?  AZBlue   May-31-08 03:18 PM   #60 
  - I don't think anyone is saying you *can't* believe it  ihavenobias   May-31-08 03:34 PM   #64 
  - equally i can say love conquers all.  seabeyond   May-31-08 03:53 PM   #71 
  - The Bottom Line  ihavenobias   May-31-08 04:04 PM   #74 
     - with the holocaust there is factual info as proof. a person can deny, dismiss, ignore  seabeyond   May-31-08 04:25 PM   #81 
        - But that's just it  ihavenobias   May-31-08 04:36 PM   #86 
           - personal experience can easily be dismissed when you dont experience it. lol  seabeyond   May-31-08 04:49 PM   #89 
           - It all comes down to interpretation of experience  ihavenobias   May-31-08 04:56 PM   #91 
              - but really  seabeyond   May-31-08 05:02 PM   #93 
                 - That's a completely impractical way of looking at it  ihavenobias   May-31-08 05:09 PM   #94 
                    - that is ok. you dont have to believe a single thing you do not see, feel, know  seabeyond   May-31-08 05:14 PM   #95 
                       - As long as I don't have to respect their irrational beliefs while still respecting  ihavenobias   May-31-08 05:26 PM   #97 
                          - really  seabeyond   May-31-08 05:36 PM   #101 
                          - I don't know who agrees that hate is a good idea  ihavenobias   May-31-08 05:46 PM   #106 
                             - cookin dinner  seabeyond   May-31-08 06:04 PM   #116 
                          - you understand if you go thru our communications, there were a number of times  seabeyond   May-31-08 05:40 PM   #103 
                             - You're viewing it as a personal attack, which it's not  ihavenobias   May-31-08 05:50 PM   #107 
                                - no. i was taking the other side of the argument and i did not feel the need  seabeyond   May-31-08 06:00 PM   #114 
                                   - Miscommunication then  ihavenobias   May-31-08 06:05 PM   #117 
           - you may want to dabble in modern and post modern thought  NuttyFluffers   Jun-01-08 05:24 AM   #158 
              - There are good reasons to see material rationalism as "better."  dorkulon   Jun-01-08 03:36 PM   #178 
  - There is more to life than simple "rational" activity.  Zynx   May-31-08 05:34 PM   #99 
     - Whats missing from my life?  sheeptramp   May-31-08 05:37 PM   #102 
     - Dismiss spirituality all you want. You are not going to sway me.  Zynx   May-31-08 06:14 PM   #120 
     - Yes, we have emotions  ihavenobias   May-31-08 05:54 PM   #109 
     - As I said, I feel there is more to this world than logic and reason.  Zynx   May-31-08 06:16 PM   #121 
        - as i say, i am a very practical pragmatic person, and i too use to live life like that  seabeyond   May-31-08 06:35 PM   #128 
        - That's fine  ihavenobias   May-31-08 06:36 PM   #129 
           - you are really limiting view to religion. religion was needed  seabeyond   May-31-08 06:44 PM   #132 
              - Well to be fair  ihavenobias   May-31-08 06:55 PM   #134 
     - Aren't you tacitly admitting that you choose to believe in the supernatural  dorkulon   Jun-01-08 03:37 PM   #179 
  - If you believe something without evidence you can be persuaded to believe anything n/t  cbc5g   May-31-08 03:49 PM   #68 
  - why would anyone believe such a stupid statement.  seabeyond   May-31-08 04:02 PM   #72 
     - the statement is axiomatic  The Inquisitive   May-31-08 06:01 PM   #115 
     - I dont need to give evidence for what I am saying  cbc5g   May-31-08 06:56 PM   #135 
        - you are claiming if they believe this, they will believe anything. i dont think it is true  seabeyond   May-31-08 07:06 PM   #137 
  - I don't think the OP was telling anyone what to believe.  varkam   May-31-08 05:57 PM   #110 
  - People can believe what they want  martymar64   Jul-03-08 08:09 PM   #239 
  - So what?  SeattleGirl   May-31-08 03:53 PM   #70 
  - So how many of THOSE beleive Elvis is still alive?  Phred42   May-31-08 04:03 PM   #73 
  - The REAL question is - How many can fit on the head of a pin!  Phred42   May-31-08 04:04 PM   #75 
  - LINK ???? n/t  HuffleClaw   May-31-08 04:18 PM   #79 
  - Here >>In this newest poll the % are slightly changed...  BlueJazz   May-31-08 06:38 PM   #131 
  - Only because they keep leaving their droppings on my car. nt  eppur_se_muova   May-31-08 04:29 PM   #83 
  - Prove there AREN'T angels!  TheFarseer   May-31-08 05:00 PM   #92 
  - The burden of proof rests on the person making the positive claim  uberllama42   May-31-08 05:45 PM   #105 
  - Prove there isn't a teapot in orbit...  varkam   May-31-08 05:58 PM   #111 
  - Bertrand Russell concept.  Perragrande   May-31-08 08:05 PM   #140 
  - Technically, you can prove a negative.  John Gauger   Jun-01-08 06:49 PM   #202 
     - Right, it should be "you cannot prove some negatives".  greyl   Jun-20-08 12:42 AM   #228 
  - I was going to use that  uberllama42   May-31-08 10:22 PM   #154 
  - Please tell me you are joking. n/t  John Gauger   Jun-01-08 06:46 PM   #201 
  - sure, if the question is phrased right  pitohui   May-31-08 05:31 PM   #98 
  - I don't believe in headbanging angels. eom  uppityperson   May-31-08 05:43 PM   #104 
  - Definitely count me in! Love my angels! nt  quiet.american   May-31-08 05:59 PM   #112 
  - I'd believe more ... if they had better left hand pitching.  Buck Rabbit   May-31-08 05:59 PM   #113 
  - Hmmm...  jmowreader   May-31-08 06:10 PM   #119 
  - That percentage seems awfully high.  Vickers   May-31-08 06:18 PM   #122 
  - Where is the link to the poll numbers anyway?  nolabels   May-31-08 09:35 PM   #148 
     - That's another good question.  Vickers   May-31-08 10:03 PM   #152 
  - Angels of course, angel!  lonestarnot   May-31-08 06:22 PM   #123 
  - Several years ago, as I was visiting my uncle in the hospital...  Contrary1   May-31-08 06:38 PM   #130 
  - Yes  unauno   May-31-08 09:33 PM   #147 
  - why not, gotta believe in somethin'  spanone   May-31-08 06:49 PM   #133 
  - I think there are bigger forces at work than ghosts and angels flying around  cbc5g   May-31-08 07:03 PM   #136 
  - Nope, I don't have to believe in anything. period.  cosmik debris   May-31-08 07:48 PM   #138 
  - oh please, not this again. It seems every few months, someone has to truck this same wedge  AgadorSparticus   May-31-08 08:00 PM   #139 
  - ya.... wink. lol. priorities. n/t  seabeyond   May-31-08 08:42 PM   #144 
  - Could be a lot worse.  Perragrande   May-31-08 08:18 PM   #142 
  - So?  mutley_r_us   May-31-08 09:33 PM   #146 
  - Angels are the bacteria that dance on the head of a syringe  Taverner   May-31-08 09:40 PM   #150 
  - Not all angels have wings.  ZombieHorde   May-31-08 10:09 PM   #153 
  - I've got to ask. What is that horrific thing?  EOTE   Jun-01-08 10:40 AM   #165 
  - whoa chill out  windoe   May-31-08 10:24 PM   #155 
  - I don't know about angels,..  MilesColtrane   May-31-08 11:52 PM   #156 
  - As long as they don't decorate with angels  spinbaby   Jun-01-08 06:56 AM   #161 
  - I'd rather be part of the 22% than the 28%  DFW   Jun-01-08 07:13 AM   #162 
  - Teen: 'I don't feel like a hero'  galledgoblin   Jun-01-08 02:31 PM   #168 
  - Hah, yeah screw the kid that actually saved him, it must have been an angel what did it!  dorkulon   Jun-01-08 03:30 PM   #176 
  - don't be silly  galledgoblin   Jun-01-08 03:44 PM   #183 
     - Exactly--people "like to" add spiritual import  dorkulon   Jun-01-08 03:49 PM   #188 
  - wow. that mom was really on super mom alert!  redwitch   Jun-01-08 03:45 PM   #184 
     - first time parents should all get Andy Garcia  galledgoblin   Jun-01-08 05:08 PM   #196 
  - Source for this? n/t  Concerned GA Voter   Jun-01-08 02:57 PM   #171 
  - If you believe in the bible, then you believe in angels.  dorkulon   Jun-01-08 03:27 PM   #175 
  - 78% are fools  matt007   Jun-01-08 03:32 PM   #177 
  - I don't care what people believe.  redwitch   Jun-01-08 03:41 PM   #181 
  - So what  HughMoran   Jun-01-08 03:43 PM   #182 
  - But let's be honest now...  JackRiddler   Jun-01-08 03:47 PM   #187 
  - I'll join you in that "head against wall" thing  GoneOffShore   Jun-01-08 03:57 PM   #190 
  - Who Cares.  OhioChick   Jun-01-08 04:11 PM   #191 
  - I believe in angels. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Jun-01-08 04:15 PM   #192 
  - Aw geez...  gatorboy   Jun-01-08 04:35 PM   #195 
  - It was only a matter of time before this ended up in R/T eom  uberllama42   Jun-01-08 05:50 PM   #197 
  - Angels didn't care about European kids, either.  onager   Jun-01-08 11:29 PM   #204 
  - Nope. Angels only care if you are rich, white, and American.  varkam   Jun-01-08 11:39 PM   #205 
  - I just can't see how angels can exist.  Evoman   Jun-01-08 11:47 PM   #206 
  - They come from Zoroastrian angelology n/t  MrWiggles   Jun-03-08 09:53 AM   #219 
  - It's one of the many, many things you're not supposed to think about.  John Gauger   Jun-10-08 09:03 AM   #226 
  - If you're a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, and you believe in your religion's holy texts,  Occam Bandage   Jun-02-08 04:24 PM   #215 
  - I don't see anything wrong with that.  Fox Mulder   Jun-02-08 11:18 PM   #217 
  - I don't think it makes people stupid, but it is disappointing.  Deep13   Jun-03-08 09:40 AM   #218 
  - And a large portion of the population also believes in UFOs...  and-justice-for-all   Jun-03-08 02:33 PM   #222 
  - I do. I even pray the Guardian Angel prayer with my kids.  knitter4democracy   Jun-07-08 08:22 PM   #224 
  - That is a really creepy prayer...  ZombieHorde   Jun-19-08 09:34 PM   #227 
     - So is them not getting enough sleep.  knitter4democracy   Jun-24-08 12:49 PM   #235 
  - What's an Angel?  Help_I_Live_In_Idaho   Jun-20-08 01:19 PM   #229 
  - I wonder how that compares with other countries  MrWiggles   Jun-20-08 01:22 PM   #230 
  - is that 78% of the *adult* population?  enki23   Jun-21-08 12:16 AM   #231 
  - Evidence 78%  MullenBank   Jun-21-08 11:00 PM   #232 
  - Strange how it is "good" to believe in angels, but "bad" to believe in UFOs  New Dawn   Jun-22-08 02:32 AM   #233 
  - George Carlin (pbuh) had a bit about that  uberllama42   Jun-24-08 01:58 PM   #236 
  - .....  elshiva   Jun-24-08 02:48 AM   #234 

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