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Thu May-29-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #138 |
| 139. Ooooo, can I join your horde? |
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So far I am only a member of a clique, but I have a desire for personal fulfillment that can only come from joining a horde. And I am a little insecure about my status in the clique because I haven't been singled out by name as a member. I mean, I get the same criticisms like being called stupid, but I've never been called a stupid member of the atheist fundamentalist clique.
I would be so grateful if you would allow me into your horde, and I promise to misbehave up to the highest standards you may set.
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| -Evangelical / Fundamentalist Atheism as an ad hominem |
varkam |
May-23-08 05:26 PM |
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It can't be an ad hominem because atheists aren't people n/t |
uberllama42 |
May-23-08 08:39 PM |
#1 |
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Eminently reasonable, as always |
uberllama42 |
May-23-08 08:58 PM |
#2 |
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Real Americans understand that politics isn't about nice rational argument: |
struggle4progress |
May-23-08 10:11 PM |
#3 |
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The flaw in many people's thinking |
skepticscott |
May-23-08 10:36 PM |
#4 |
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Very true. |
knitter4democracy |
May-23-08 10:39 PM |
#6 |
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I can't stand the terms, myself. |
knitter4democracy |
May-23-08 10:39 PM |
#5 |
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Likewise… |
ironbark |
May-23-08 11:34 PM |
#7 |
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To quote the OP |
cosmik debris |
May-24-08 06:37 AM |
#8 |
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Well said. |
Jim__ |
May-24-08 07:08 AM |
#9 |
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Having read many of Varkam's posts |
MrWiggles |
May-24-08 07:40 AM |
#10 |
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Yes |
Dorian Gray |
May-26-08 09:24 AM |
#82 |
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“Both sides” is indicative of the problem. |
ironbark |
May-24-08 08:11 PM |
#43 |
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Sorry man |
MrWiggles |
May-24-08 08:05 AM |
#13 |
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Couple of things... |
varkam |
May-24-08 03:41 PM |
#29 |
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With respect Varkam |
ironbark |
May-24-08 08:04 PM |
#42 |
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I see. |
varkam |
May-24-08 10:08 PM |
#50 |
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Human and hypocritical? |
ironbark |
May-26-08 09:33 AM |
#84 |
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Excellent, objective analysis |
HamdenRice |
May-28-08 08:18 AM |
#96 |
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But the "bashing" |
Goblinmonger |
May-28-08 12:32 PM |
#101 |
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It's frustrating isn't it, that someone can be so unaware of their own mind. |
Evoman |
May-28-08 12:39 PM |
#105 |
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I can't see anyone being asked or told to "shut up". |
ironbark |
May-29-08 02:56 AM |
#131 |
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I understand that |
Goblinmonger |
May-29-08 08:06 AM |
#133 |
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You "understand that" no one is saying "shut up" in text.... |
ironbark |
May-29-08 08:49 AM |
#135 |
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Where have |
Goblinmonger |
May-29-08 09:02 AM |
#136 |
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Here....the general spirit made flesh |
ironbark |
May-29-08 05:54 PM |
#143 |
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Cool..some of those quotes are mine. |
Evoman |
May-29-08 06:54 PM |
#146 |
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I was asked for the evidence |
ironbark |
May-29-08 08:40 PM |
#147 |
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Ah, figured you come around at some point. |
varkam |
May-28-08 03:14 PM |
#122 |
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I hate the fundamentalist non-fundamentalists. |
cyborg_jim |
May-24-08 07:46 AM |
#11 |
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It is like calling a woman a "son of a bitch" |
cosmik debris |
May-24-08 08:04 AM |
#12 |
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Total aside.... |
Dorian Gray |
May-26-08 09:27 AM |
#83 |
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How would one describe offensively dogmatic atheists? |
Pigwidgeon |
May-24-08 09:09 AM |
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"Dogmatic atheist?" |
Warpy |
May-24-08 10:55 AM |
#17 |
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Yes there are Nihilist Atheists, Humanist Atheists. Both Gandhi and Stalin were Atheists. |
Taverner |
May-24-08 03:30 PM |
#28 |
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It's still a meaningless pejorative |
Warpy |
May-24-08 03:48 PM |
#30 |
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Jesus fuck I agree and you jump on me |
Taverner |
May-24-08 07:33 PM |
#39 |
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But the term dogmatic atheist... |
varkam |
May-24-08 03:51 PM |
#32 |
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Then one could conceive of "assholery" as being the "dogma" |
Duke Newcombe |
May-30-08 05:00 PM |
#148 |
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Gandhi was a Hindu: he wrote a still-available commentary on the Gita, and some of his devotional |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 02:30 PM |
#65 |
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He was also an Atheist - Hindus can be both |
Taverner |
May-25-08 03:15 PM |
#67 |
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An Atheist With Gandhi |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 03:35 PM |
#68 |
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Did you even read that? |
Pigwidgeon |
May-24-08 04:16 PM |
#33 |
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Well, I hate to point this out, but... |
varkam |
May-24-08 03:50 PM |
#31 |
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What if they simply switch to the term "Agitprop Atheism"? |
Boojatta |
May-24-08 09:13 AM |
#15 |
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I prefer "Uppity" n/t |
PassingFair |
May-24-08 09:48 AM |
#16 |
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If you extract some consistent idea of... |
Boojatta |
May-24-08 12:32 PM |
#19 |
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LOL. Operatives on both sides catapulting divisiveness. |
Festivito |
May-24-08 12:39 PM |
#20 |
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Who are the operatives? |
Boojatta |
May-24-08 12:43 PM |
#21 |
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The un-tombstoned, the posting dead (of heart). |
Festivito |
May-24-08 01:08 PM |
#22 |
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The Hollow Men |
Goblinmonger |
May-24-08 08:22 PM |
#44 |
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Carry on, with a whimper, like it's the end of the world or something. |
Festivito |
May-24-08 09:38 PM |
#48 |
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"Yet, rational think-tanks contrive to divide us" |
Boojatta |
May-24-08 01:11 PM |
#23 |
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Know your enemy. Eminently rational. Devoid of heart. |
Festivito |
May-24-08 01:45 PM |
#24 |
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If this "heart" you speak of... |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-24-08 02:26 PM |
#25 |
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I use the word heart to speak respectfully to both sides. |
Festivito |
May-24-08 02:57 PM |
#26 |
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There's a distinction to be made between irrational and non-rational |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-24-08 05:07 PM |
#35 |
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There are more distinctions: What I'd see. What you'd see. |
Festivito |
May-24-08 06:21 PM |
#38 |
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Embracing the irrational... |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-24-08 07:37 PM |
#40 |
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Thanks. |
Festivito |
May-24-08 09:22 PM |
#46 |
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Atheism is a religion |
frogmarch |
May-24-08 11:16 AM |
#18 |
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Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself |
Taverner |
May-24-08 03:29 PM |
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But I encounter more "fundamentalist" arguments from atheists in R/T than anywhere else in my life: |
struggle4progress |
May-24-08 04:52 PM |
#34 |
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Please help me understand |
cosmik debris |
May-24-08 05:38 PM |
#36 |
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I share your confusion |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-24-08 07:40 PM |
#41 |
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I suspect that this will degenerate into a semantic argument |
cosmik debris |
May-24-08 08:50 PM |
#45 |
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You demand definitions while whining you can't expect more than semantics? *snork* |
struggle4progress |
May-24-08 10:53 PM |
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I did not demand, I politely requested. |
cosmik debris |
May-25-08 07:40 AM |
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OK: You request definitions while whining you can't expect more than semantics? Still *snork* |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 01:01 PM |
#60 |
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And still no definition |
cosmik debris |
May-25-08 02:19 PM |
#64 |
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Riight! I can give a definition, then you can moan I'm playing semantic games. No thanks! Bye! |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 06:18 PM |
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I told you: "I'm not going to argue about your definition," |
cosmik debris |
May-25-08 06:24 PM |
#75 |
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Again, you proved me right. |
cosmik debris |
May-26-08 07:59 AM |
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. |
struggle4progress |
May-26-08 05:02 PM |
#94 |
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working definition |
ironbark |
May-26-08 10:42 AM |
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If you say so. |
cosmik debris |
May-26-08 11:08 AM |
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Let me see... |
ironbark |
May-26-08 11:26 AM |
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That figures |
cosmik debris |
May-26-08 11:54 AM |
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My initial impulse |
ironbark |
May-26-08 12:41 PM |
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So, you can't define "fundamentalist" without context? |
cosmik debris |
May-26-08 12:49 PM |
#91 |
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I don't think you need me |
ironbark |
May-26-08 12:55 PM |
#92 |
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Second thought…. |
ironbark |
May-26-08 12:17 PM |
#89 |
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Well, at least you are making sense now. Sorta. |
cosmik debris |
May-26-08 12:55 PM |
#93 |
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Yes, that is the way I use the term |
struggle4progress |
May-24-08 09:58 PM |
#49 |
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Umm... okay. |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-24-08 10:13 PM |
#51 |
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My use of the term seems clear enough and corresponds to an actual phenomenon |
struggle4progress |
May-24-08 10:18 PM |
#52 |
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As clear as is seems strange... |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-25-08 12:09 AM |
#54 |
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Playing innocent is disingenuous: you yourself regularly contribute to such threads, such as |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 12:35 AM |
#55 |
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What on earth does this have to do... |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-25-08 06:55 AM |
#56 |
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You actually want me to read your post in context, instead of quoting it in isolation |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 01:00 PM |
#59 |
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All that's coming through is that you have an enormous chip on your shoulder... |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-25-08 02:11 PM |
#62 |
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So my attempt to provide a coherent parsing of "fundamentalist atheist" (as |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 02:43 PM |
#66 |
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Show me this "attempt to provide a coherent parsing"... |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-25-08 03:48 PM |
#69 |
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My post #34 was completely clear |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 04:29 PM |
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Your post #34 is nothing more than a restatement of what's being disputed in this sub-thread. |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-25-08 05:23 PM |
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Okay, you have convinced me further effort is entirely pointless. Well-played! |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 06:15 PM |
#72 |
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You haven't even TRIED to clarify. That's the point. |
Zhade |
May-25-08 08:44 PM |
#76 |
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Out of curiousity, which form is this alleged insistence of mine taking? |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-25-08 07:14 AM |
#57 |
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Well, in that thread... |
varkam |
May-25-08 02:09 PM |
#61 |
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I think I must renew my intention to avoid philosophical discussions, as a continuing source of |
struggle4progress |
May-25-08 06:17 PM |
#73 |
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That seems a rather silly reason to abandon philosophical discussion. |
varkam |
May-25-08 09:34 PM |
#77 |
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Huh? |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-24-08 05:39 PM |
#37 |
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Are there atheists that insist that if you consider yourself a Christian... |
varkam |
May-25-08 02:11 PM |
#63 |
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Hahah...I dare you to look up the phrase "True Christian" in the Search option. |
Evoman |
May-25-08 11:07 PM |
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I'd waste way too much time looking at Landover Baptist or similar stuff: |
struggle4progress |
May-26-08 12:31 AM |
#79 |
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I've had this discussion with you before |
Goblinmonger |
May-28-08 01:28 PM |
#109 |
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You would (I think) set up two scarecrows and insist I choose between them -- your own decision |
struggle4progress |
May-28-08 05:01 PM |
#123 |
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So you berate me |
Goblinmonger |
May-28-08 11:48 PM |
#129 |
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Have a nice day |
struggle4progress |
May-29-08 12:21 AM |
#130 |
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Except that your point doesn't fit |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-02-08 04:51 PM |
#160 |
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LOL |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-02-08 04:47 PM |
#158 |
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Yes absolutely. |
turtlensue |
May-24-08 09:35 PM |
#47 |
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I always enjoy reading |
Dorian Gray |
May-26-08 09:23 AM |
#81 |
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As an atheist, I use "fundamentalist atheist" to distinguish myself ... |
HamdenRice |
May-28-08 08:00 AM |
#95 |
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Oh the irony...... |
Evoman |
May-28-08 09:45 AM |
#97 |
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I think most people will take 'narrow-mindedness' and 'intolerance' |
muriel_volestrangler |
May-28-08 11:34 AM |
#98 |
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Most of the time, if someone says they are objective, it means that they aren't. |
Evoman |
May-28-08 12:12 PM |
#99 |
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self delete, not worth it. |
cosmik debris |
May-28-08 12:24 PM |
#100 |
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"I don't hate black people..." |
Goblinmonger |
May-28-08 12:34 PM |
#103 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-28-08 12:39 PM |
#104 |
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Straw-man ahoy! |
varkam |
May-28-08 09:08 PM |
#128 |
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Of course it is an ad hominem. Fundamentalist christians IDENTIFY THEMSELVES as fundamentalist. |
Evoman |
May-28-08 12:32 PM |
#102 |
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You've confused concepts |
HamdenRice |
May-28-08 12:43 PM |
#106 |
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Lol....so now evangelical means something? Since when? |
Evoman |
May-28-08 12:48 PM |
#107 |
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A complete nonsense question |
HamdenRice |
May-28-08 12:49 PM |
#108 |
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How is it incoherent? |
Evoman |
May-28-08 01:28 PM |
#110 |
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Heres a suggestion: When called a fundie Atheist, ask. |
heidler1 |
Jun-02-08 04:05 PM |
#156 |
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"Fundie" = "fun loving" |
uberllama42 |
Jun-02-08 04:48 PM |
#159 |
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Well, I hope you've learned your lesson, varkam |
uberllama42 |
May-28-08 01:34 PM |
#111 |
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No doubt. It looks like it's time for our quarterly Religion forum flare up. |
Evoman |
May-28-08 01:40 PM |
#112 |
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The common thread is easy to spot --> |
HamdenRice |
May-28-08 01:48 PM |
#113 |
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Hehe....I just got an image of you with a brandishing a golden sword while riding a white horse. |
Evoman |
May-28-08 01:56 PM |
#114 |
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Thank god for people like you. |
Goblinmonger |
May-28-08 02:13 PM |
#117 |
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We are the overlords, Goblinmonger. We must maintain control, |
Evoman |
May-28-08 02:17 PM |
#118 |
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So in the realm of evil overlords |
Goblinmonger |
May-28-08 02:44 PM |
#121 |
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There is not a single question mark in the OP. |
varkam |
May-28-08 09:05 PM |
#127 |
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"The terms are almost exclusively used by theists" |
HamdenRice |
May-28-08 02:03 PM |
#115 |
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Exactly who in this thread |
Goblinmonger |
May-28-08 02:11 PM |
#116 |
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A high school teacher by day, a anti-religious overlord by night. |
Evoman |
May-28-08 02:21 PM |
#119 |
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I could really get into this if it were true. |
Goblinmonger |
May-28-08 02:26 PM |
#120 |
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I think that if you were to take a poll on DU... |
varkam |
May-28-08 09:03 PM |
#126 |
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Evangelical / Fundamentalist Atheism ?? |
and-justice-for-all |
May-28-08 07:29 PM |
#124 |
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But we all know that there are fundamentalist atheists |
uberllama42 |
May-28-08 08:34 PM |
#125 |
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That is such tripe.... |
and-justice-for-all |
May-29-08 03:59 AM |
#132 |
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The sources for my three definitions are as follows: |
uberllama42 |
May-29-08 09:02 AM |
#137 |
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I got the sarcasm |
Goblinmonger |
May-29-08 11:56 AM |
#138 |
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Ooooo, can I join your horde? |
cosmik debris |
May-29-08 12:07 PM |
#139 |
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You are sooooo in the horde. |
Goblinmonger |
May-29-08 12:42 PM |
#140 |
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Also, I bet your +5 Rod of Truncated Reasoning |
uberllama42 |
May-29-08 02:09 PM |
#141 |
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+5? |
Goblinmonger |
May-29-08 04:05 PM |
#142 |
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Sorry, I'm a moron and did not see the sarcasm...My Bad..nt |
and-justice-for-all |
May-29-08 06:29 PM |
#144 |
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Response to 125, 132, 137 |
ironbark |
May-31-08 08:04 AM |
#150 |
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Yeah, most people are clearly missing the point of the thread |
Goblinmonger |
May-29-08 08:15 AM |
#134 |
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The argument is one that cannot be won , and will perpetuate itself for all time. |
pegleg |
Jun-02-08 07:11 PM |
#161 |
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"Strident, assertive, stubborn, or even assholery" -- do not describe an ontological position |
HamdenRice |
May-29-08 06:49 PM |
#145 |
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Easy |
varkam |
May-30-08 05:09 PM |
#149 |
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What an utterly bizarre irony! |
HamdenRice |
May-31-08 08:24 AM |
#151 |
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Your dichotomy is a bit better this time around. |
varkam |
May-31-08 05:32 PM |
#152 |
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The ad hom free alternative? |
ironbark |
Jun-01-08 09:03 AM |
#153 |
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Asshole is still obviously an ad hom... |
varkam |
Jun-01-08 05:32 PM |
#155 |
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Truncate Fundamentalist to Fundie then to Fun Loving Atheists would be nice. |
heidler1 |
Jun-02-08 11:42 PM |
#165 |
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It's not fair to just say "Christians" |
uberllama42 |
Jun-03-08 07:19 AM |
#166 |
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You are creating a false dilemma |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-03-08 08:55 AM |
#167 |
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There are people who proudly identify themselves as Fundamentalist Christians |
oktoberain |
Jun-01-08 11:46 AM |
#154 |
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Well, in general, I agree with you |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-02-08 04:40 PM |
#157 |
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Exactly. |
varkam |
Jun-03-08 05:23 PM |
#169 |
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Wow! What a flamefest |
conscious evolution |
Jun-02-08 09:08 PM |
#162 |
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I suspect that would depend strongly on which 'side' you are on |
uberllama42 |
Jun-02-08 09:27 PM |
#163 |
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It is important to note that the OP did not mean to start a flamefest n/t |
MrWiggles |
Jun-02-08 09:46 PM |
#164 |
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I didn't! I swear! |
varkam |
Jun-03-08 05:15 PM |
#168 |
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