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111. Well, I hope you've learned your lesson, varkam
Maybe next time you will think before you try to foster rational discussion and understanding. Now your nonsense infests not only R/T but A/A, on top of that.

I hope you're proud of your ill-advised attempt to impose reason on a place like this.
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  -Evangelical / Fundamentalist Atheism as an ad hominem varkam  May-23-08 05:26 PM   #0 
  - It can't be an ad hominem because atheists aren't people n/t  uberllama42   May-23-08 08:39 PM   #1 
  - Eminently reasonable, as always  uberllama42   May-23-08 08:58 PM   #2 
  - Real Americans understand that politics isn't about nice rational argument:  struggle4progress   May-23-08 10:11 PM   #3 
  - The flaw in many people's thinking  skepticscott   May-23-08 10:36 PM   #4 
  - Very true.  knitter4democracy   May-23-08 10:39 PM   #6 
  - I can't stand the terms, myself.  knitter4democracy   May-23-08 10:39 PM   #5 
  - Likewise  ironbark   May-23-08 11:34 PM   #7 
  - To quote the OP  cosmik debris   May-24-08 06:37 AM   #8 
  - Well said.  Jim__   May-24-08 07:08 AM   #9 
  - Having read many of Varkam's posts  MrWiggles   May-24-08 07:40 AM   #10 
  - Yes  Dorian Gray   May-26-08 09:24 AM   #82 
  - Both sides is indicative of the problem.  ironbark   May-24-08 08:11 PM   #43 
  - Sorry man  MrWiggles   May-24-08 08:05 AM   #13 
  - Couple of things...  varkam   May-24-08 03:41 PM   #29 
  - With respect Varkam  ironbark   May-24-08 08:04 PM   #42 
     - I see.  varkam   May-24-08 10:08 PM   #50 
        - Human and hypocritical?  ironbark   May-26-08 09:33 AM   #84 
  - Excellent, objective analysis  HamdenRice   May-28-08 08:18 AM   #96 
     - But the "bashing"  Goblinmonger   May-28-08 12:32 PM   #101 
     - It's frustrating isn't it, that someone can be so unaware of their own mind.  Evoman   May-28-08 12:39 PM   #105 
     - I can't see anyone being asked or told to "shut up".  ironbark   May-29-08 02:56 AM   #131 
        - I understand that  Goblinmonger   May-29-08 08:06 AM   #133 
           - You "understand that" no one is saying "shut up" in text....  ironbark   May-29-08 08:49 AM   #135 
              - Where have  Goblinmonger   May-29-08 09:02 AM   #136 
                 - Here....the general spirit made flesh  ironbark   May-29-08 05:54 PM   #143 
                    - Cool..some of those quotes are mine.  Evoman   May-29-08 06:54 PM   #146 
                       - I was asked for the evidence  ironbark   May-29-08 08:40 PM   #147 
     - Ah, figured you come around at some point.  varkam   May-28-08 03:14 PM   #122 
  - I hate the fundamentalist non-fundamentalists.  cyborg_jim   May-24-08 07:46 AM   #11 
  - It is like calling a woman a "son of a bitch"  cosmik debris   May-24-08 08:04 AM   #12 
  - Total aside....  Dorian Gray   May-26-08 09:27 AM   #83 
  - How would one describe offensively dogmatic atheists?  Pigwidgeon   May-24-08 09:09 AM   #14 
  - "Dogmatic atheist?"  Warpy   May-24-08 10:55 AM   #17 
  - Yes there are Nihilist Atheists, Humanist Atheists. Both Gandhi and Stalin were Atheists.  Taverner   May-24-08 03:30 PM   #28 
  - It's still a meaningless pejorative  Warpy   May-24-08 03:48 PM   #30 
  - Jesus fuck I agree and you jump on me  Taverner   May-24-08 07:33 PM   #39 
  - But the term dogmatic atheist...  varkam   May-24-08 03:51 PM   #32 
  - Then one could conceive of "assholery" as being the "dogma"  Duke Newcombe   May-30-08 05:00 PM   #148 
  - Gandhi was a Hindu: he wrote a still-available commentary on the Gita, and some of his devotional  struggle4progress   May-25-08 02:30 PM   #65 
     - He was also an Atheist - Hindus can be both  Taverner   May-25-08 03:15 PM   #67 
        - An Atheist With Gandhi  struggle4progress   May-25-08 03:35 PM   #68 
  - Did you even read that?  Pigwidgeon   May-24-08 04:16 PM   #33 
  - Well, I hate to point this out, but...  varkam   May-24-08 03:50 PM   #31 
  - What if they simply switch to the term "Agitprop Atheism"?  Boojatta   May-24-08 09:13 AM   #15 
  - I prefer "Uppity" n/t  PassingFair   May-24-08 09:48 AM   #16 
  - If you extract some consistent idea of...  Boojatta   May-24-08 12:32 PM   #19 
  - LOL. Operatives on both sides catapulting divisiveness.  Festivito   May-24-08 12:39 PM   #20 
     - Who are the operatives?  Boojatta   May-24-08 12:43 PM   #21 
     - The un-tombstoned, the posting dead (of heart).  Festivito   May-24-08 01:08 PM   #22 
        - The Hollow Men  Goblinmonger   May-24-08 08:22 PM   #44 
           - Carry on, with a whimper, like it's the end of the world or something.  Festivito   May-24-08 09:38 PM   #48 
     - "Yet, rational think-tanks contrive to divide us"  Boojatta   May-24-08 01:11 PM   #23 
        - Know your enemy. Eminently rational. Devoid of heart.  Festivito   May-24-08 01:45 PM   #24 
           - If this "heart" you speak of...  Kerry4Kerry   May-24-08 02:26 PM   #25 
              - I use the word heart to speak respectfully to both sides.  Festivito   May-24-08 02:57 PM   #26 
                 - There's a distinction to be made between irrational and non-rational  Kerry4Kerry   May-24-08 05:07 PM   #35 
                    - There are more distinctions: What I'd see. What you'd see.  Festivito   May-24-08 06:21 PM   #38 
                       - Embracing the irrational...  Kerry4Kerry   May-24-08 07:37 PM   #40 
                          - Thanks.  Festivito   May-24-08 09:22 PM   #46 
  - Atheism is a religion  frogmarch   May-24-08 11:16 AM   #18 
  - Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself  Taverner   May-24-08 03:29 PM   #27 
  - But I encounter more "fundamentalist" arguments from atheists in R/T than anywhere else in my life:  struggle4progress   May-24-08 04:52 PM   #34 
  - Please help me understand  cosmik debris   May-24-08 05:38 PM   #36 
  - I share your confusion  Kerry4Kerry   May-24-08 07:40 PM   #41 
     - I suspect that this will degenerate into a semantic argument  cosmik debris   May-24-08 08:50 PM   #45 
     - You demand definitions while whining you can't expect more than semantics? *snork*  struggle4progress   May-24-08 10:53 PM   #53 
        - I did not demand, I politely requested.  cosmik debris   May-25-08 07:40 AM   #58 
           - OK: You request definitions while whining you can't expect more than semantics? Still *snork*  struggle4progress   May-25-08 01:01 PM   #60 
              - And still no definition  cosmik debris   May-25-08 02:19 PM   #64 
                 - Riight! I can give a definition, then you can moan I'm playing semantic games. No thanks! Bye!  struggle4progress   May-25-08 06:18 PM   #74 
                 - I told you: "I'm not going to argue about your definition,"  cosmik debris   May-25-08 06:24 PM   #75 
                 - Again, you proved me right.  cosmik debris   May-26-08 07:59 AM   #80 
                    - .  struggle4progress   May-26-08 05:02 PM   #94 
                 - working definition  ironbark   May-26-08 10:42 AM   #85 
                    - If you say so.  cosmik debris   May-26-08 11:08 AM   #86 
                       - Let me see...  ironbark   May-26-08 11:26 AM   #87 
                       - That figures  cosmik debris   May-26-08 11:54 AM   #88 
                          - My initial impulse  ironbark   May-26-08 12:41 PM   #90 
                             - So, you can't define "fundamentalist" without context?  cosmik debris   May-26-08 12:49 PM   #91 
                                - I don't think you need me  ironbark   May-26-08 12:55 PM   #92 
                       - Second thought.  ironbark   May-26-08 12:17 PM   #89 
                          - Well, at least you are making sense now. Sorta.  cosmik debris   May-26-08 12:55 PM   #93 
     - Yes, that is the way I use the term  struggle4progress   May-24-08 09:58 PM   #49 
        - Umm... okay.  Kerry4Kerry   May-24-08 10:13 PM   #51 
           - My use of the term seems clear enough and corresponds to an actual phenomenon  struggle4progress   May-24-08 10:18 PM   #52 
              - As clear as is seems strange...  Kerry4Kerry   May-25-08 12:09 AM   #54 
                 - Playing innocent is disingenuous: you yourself regularly contribute to such threads, such as  struggle4progress   May-25-08 12:35 AM   #55 
                    - What on earth does this have to do...  Kerry4Kerry   May-25-08 06:55 AM   #56 
                    - You actually want me to read your post in context, instead of quoting it in isolation  struggle4progress   May-25-08 01:00 PM   #59 
                       - All that's coming through is that you have an enormous chip on your shoulder...  Kerry4Kerry   May-25-08 02:11 PM   #62 
                          - So my attempt to provide a coherent parsing of "fundamentalist atheist" (as  struggle4progress   May-25-08 02:43 PM   #66 
                             - Show me this "attempt to provide a coherent parsing"...  Kerry4Kerry   May-25-08 03:48 PM   #69 
                             - My post #34 was completely clear  struggle4progress   May-25-08 04:29 PM   #70 
                                - Your post #34 is nothing more than a restatement of what's being disputed in this sub-thread.  Kerry4Kerry   May-25-08 05:23 PM   #71 
                                   - Okay, you have convinced me further effort is entirely pointless. Well-played!  struggle4progress   May-25-08 06:15 PM   #72 
                             - You haven't even TRIED to clarify. That's the point.  Zhade   May-25-08 08:44 PM   #76 
                    - Out of curiousity, which form is this alleged insistence of mine taking?  Kerry4Kerry   May-25-08 07:14 AM   #57 
                    - Well, in that thread...  varkam   May-25-08 02:09 PM   #61 
                       - I think I must renew my intention to avoid philosophical discussions, as a continuing source of  struggle4progress   May-25-08 06:17 PM   #73 
                          - That seems a rather silly reason to abandon philosophical discussion.  varkam   May-25-08 09:34 PM   #77 
  - Huh?  Kerry4Kerry   May-24-08 05:39 PM   #37 
  - Are there atheists that insist that if you consider yourself a Christian...  varkam   May-25-08 02:11 PM   #63 
  - Hahah...I dare you to look up the phrase "True Christian" in the Search option.  Evoman   May-25-08 11:07 PM   #78 
  - I'd waste way too much time looking at Landover Baptist or similar stuff:  struggle4progress   May-26-08 12:31 AM   #79 
  - I've had this discussion with you before  Goblinmonger   May-28-08 01:28 PM   #109 
  - You would (I think) set up two scarecrows and insist I choose between them -- your own decision  struggle4progress   May-28-08 05:01 PM   #123 
  - So you berate me  Goblinmonger   May-28-08 11:48 PM   #129 
     - Have a nice day  struggle4progress   May-29-08 12:21 AM   #130 
  - Except that your point doesn't fit  JerseygirlCT   Jun-02-08 04:51 PM   #160 
  - LOL  JerseygirlCT   Jun-02-08 04:47 PM   #158 
  - Yes absolutely.  turtlensue   May-24-08 09:35 PM   #47 
  - I always enjoy reading  Dorian Gray   May-26-08 09:23 AM   #81 
  - As an atheist, I use "fundamentalist atheist" to distinguish myself ...  HamdenRice   May-28-08 08:00 AM   #95 
  - Oh the irony......  Evoman   May-28-08 09:45 AM   #97 
  - I think most people will take 'narrow-mindedness' and 'intolerance'  muriel_volestrangler   May-28-08 11:34 AM   #98 
  - Most of the time, if someone says they are objective, it means that they aren't.  Evoman   May-28-08 12:12 PM   #99 
  - self delete, not worth it.  cosmik debris   May-28-08 12:24 PM   #100 
  - "I don't hate black people..."  Goblinmonger   May-28-08 12:34 PM   #103 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-28-08 12:39 PM   #104 
  - Straw-man ahoy!  varkam   May-28-08 09:08 PM   #128 
  - Of course it is an ad hominem. Fundamentalist christians IDENTIFY THEMSELVES as fundamentalist.  Evoman   May-28-08 12:32 PM   #102 
  - You've confused concepts  HamdenRice   May-28-08 12:43 PM   #106 
  - Lol....so now evangelical means something? Since when?  Evoman   May-28-08 12:48 PM   #107 
     - A complete nonsense question  HamdenRice   May-28-08 12:49 PM   #108 
        - How is it incoherent?  Evoman   May-28-08 01:28 PM   #110 
  - Heres a suggestion: When called a fundie Atheist, ask.  heidler1   Jun-02-08 04:05 PM   #156 
     - "Fundie" = "fun loving"  uberllama42   Jun-02-08 04:48 PM   #159 
  - Well, I hope you've learned your lesson, varkam  uberllama42   May-28-08 01:34 PM   #111 
  - No doubt. It looks like it's time for our quarterly Religion forum flare up.  Evoman   May-28-08 01:40 PM   #112 
     - The common thread is easy to spot -->  HamdenRice   May-28-08 01:48 PM   #113 
        - Hehe....I just got an image of you with a brandishing a golden sword while riding a white horse.  Evoman   May-28-08 01:56 PM   #114 
        - Thank god for people like you.  Goblinmonger   May-28-08 02:13 PM   #117 
        - We are the overlords, Goblinmonger. We must maintain control,  Evoman   May-28-08 02:17 PM   #118 
           - So in the realm of evil overlords  Goblinmonger   May-28-08 02:44 PM   #121 
        - There is not a single question mark in the OP.  varkam   May-28-08 09:05 PM   #127 
  - "The terms are almost exclusively used by theists"  HamdenRice   May-28-08 02:03 PM   #115 
  - Exactly who in this thread  Goblinmonger   May-28-08 02:11 PM   #116 
  - A high school teacher by day, a anti-religious overlord by night.  Evoman   May-28-08 02:21 PM   #119 
     - I could really get into this if it were true.  Goblinmonger   May-28-08 02:26 PM   #120 
  - I think that if you were to take a poll on DU...  varkam   May-28-08 09:03 PM   #126 
  - Evangelical / Fundamentalist Atheism ??  and-justice-for-all   May-28-08 07:29 PM   #124 
  - But we all know that there are fundamentalist atheists  uberllama42   May-28-08 08:34 PM   #125 
  - That is such tripe....  and-justice-for-all   May-29-08 03:59 AM   #132 
  - The sources for my three definitions are as follows:  uberllama42   May-29-08 09:02 AM   #137 
     - I got the sarcasm  Goblinmonger   May-29-08 11:56 AM   #138 
     - Ooooo, can I join your horde?  cosmik debris   May-29-08 12:07 PM   #139 
     - You are sooooo in the horde.  Goblinmonger   May-29-08 12:42 PM   #140 
     - Also, I bet your +5 Rod of Truncated Reasoning  uberllama42   May-29-08 02:09 PM   #141 
     - +5?  Goblinmonger   May-29-08 04:05 PM   #142 
     - Sorry, I'm a moron and did not see the sarcasm...My Bad..nt  and-justice-for-all   May-29-08 06:29 PM   #144 
     - Response to 125, 132, 137  ironbark   May-31-08 08:04 AM   #150 
  - Yeah, most people are clearly missing the point of the thread  Goblinmonger   May-29-08 08:15 AM   #134 
  - The argument is one that cannot be won , and will perpetuate itself for all time.  pegleg   Jun-02-08 07:11 PM   #161 
  - "Strident, assertive, stubborn, or even assholery" -- do not describe an ontological position  HamdenRice   May-29-08 06:49 PM   #145 
  - Easy  varkam   May-30-08 05:09 PM   #149 
  - What an utterly bizarre irony!  HamdenRice   May-31-08 08:24 AM   #151 
  - Your dichotomy is a bit better this time around.  varkam   May-31-08 05:32 PM   #152 
  - The ad hom free alternative?  ironbark   Jun-01-08 09:03 AM   #153 
     - Asshole is still obviously an ad hom...  varkam   Jun-01-08 05:32 PM   #155 
     - Truncate Fundamentalist to Fundie then to Fun Loving Atheists would be nice.  heidler1   Jun-02-08 11:42 PM   #165 
        - It's not fair to just say "Christians"  uberllama42   Jun-03-08 07:19 AM   #166 
  - You are creating a false dilemma  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-03-08 08:55 AM   #167 
  - There are people who proudly identify themselves as Fundamentalist Christians  oktoberain   Jun-01-08 11:46 AM   #154 
  - Well, in general, I agree with you  JerseygirlCT   Jun-02-08 04:40 PM   #157 
  - Exactly.  varkam   Jun-03-08 05:23 PM   #169 
  - Wow! What a flamefest  conscious evolution   Jun-02-08 09:08 PM   #162 
     - I suspect that would depend strongly on which 'side' you are on  uberllama42   Jun-02-08 09:27 PM   #163 
     - It is important to note that the OP did not mean to start a flamefest n/t  MrWiggles   Jun-02-08 09:46 PM   #164 
        - I didn't! I swear!  varkam   Jun-03-08 05:15 PM   #168 
 

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