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Wed Sep-05-07 03:02 PM
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| 62. IMO religion is better compared to dogmatic ideologies like Marxism. |
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Religions are simply a dogmatic ideology based on some claim over the existance and nature of supernatural realms and entities.
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| -Can we PLEASE stop equating religion with mental illness of any sort? |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 07:55 AM |
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no. nt. |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 08:01 AM |
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thats not helpful. |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 08:03 AM |
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You asked and I replied. |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 08:08 AM |
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a small quibble |
northernsoul |
Sep-05-07 08:48 AM |
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I am not a psychiatrist and am not constrained by the DSM |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 08:56 AM |
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You're only showing that some people with mental illness have religious |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Sep-05-07 02:46 PM |
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Pretending and history |
theredpen |
Sep-05-07 09:46 AM |
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Both Bush and bin Laden claim God tells them what to do. |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 10:01 AM |
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Lots of things are used as excuses |
theredpen |
Sep-05-07 10:26 AM |
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And if the neocons are following the advice of their mentor Leo Strauss |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-05-07 01:31 PM |
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true indeed |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 02:08 PM |
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Why did Strauss recommend religion as a means of manipulation? |
northernsoul |
Sep-05-07 02:46 PM |
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Religion evokes an emotional response |
theredpen |
Sep-05-07 04:04 PM |
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I don't think it is all that new. What the neo con right wing preachers are doing now |
truedelphi |
Sep-07-07 02:13 PM |
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While I wouldn't say |
2beToby |
Sep-05-07 12:46 PM |
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I've never said all religious people are mentally insane. |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 01:04 PM |
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I agree. One thing that keeps getting left out of the details is, it's not just the fundies. |
heidler1 |
Sep-06-07 02:46 AM |
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What are we going to do about that? |
theredpen |
Sep-06-07 07:21 PM |
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Your snarky reply won't help, but reminding the Christian voters that they got sucked in might. |
heidler1 |
Sep-06-07 10:55 PM |
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No God lets Bush cry on his shoulder |
theredpen |
Sep-06-07 11:30 PM |
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From where I sit it looks like the Christians want to take over the government. |
heidler1 |
Sep-07-07 12:34 AM |
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Oh no you did NOT just reference Ayn Rand |
theredpen |
Sep-07-07 12:42 AM |
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Hey.... |
MrWiggles |
Sep-06-07 07:53 PM |
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But aren't you overlooking that eight to fifty million |
truedelphi |
Sep-06-07 12:02 PM |
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8 to 50 million? |
theredpen |
Sep-06-07 07:05 PM |
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PBS in the San Francisco area had a TV documentary titled |
truedelphi |
Sep-07-07 02:26 PM |
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So, you don't really know where these numbers come from |
theredpen |
Sep-07-07 03:36 PM |
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Article from a Sandra Miesele says this: |
truedelphi |
Sep-07-07 09:51 PM |
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If the self-proclaimed spokespeople for pagans insist on making up bogus statistics |
theredpen |
Sep-11-07 10:26 AM |
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The medieval Catholic Church in general and the Inquisition |
okasha |
Sep-07-07 10:48 PM |
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While I won't address the OP.... |
DeSwiss |
Feb-05-08 11:23 PM |
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No psychologist/psychiatrist in the world would call them insane |
wryter2000 |
Sep-05-07 02:47 PM |
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so "some" behaviour entitles you to be an ass to all? nt |
skater314159 |
Feb-04-08 04:50 PM |
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that wouldn't be accurate...hyper-religiousity can be a symptom of several |
Mend |
Sep-05-07 08:08 AM |
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I'm not saying their aren't mentally ill people who aren't religious |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 11:34 AM |
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Religious people are perfectly mentally stable. |
youthere |
Sep-05-07 08:20 AM |
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Did you see the second episode they had her on? |
YOY |
Sep-05-07 02:18 PM |
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being mentally ill doesn't depend upon religion. look at stalin. |
roguevalley |
Sep-05-07 02:32 PM |
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Hearing voices and believing in illusory reality is not mental illness? |
TechBear_Seattle |
Sep-05-07 08:27 AM |
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But that is not true of all religion. |
cosmik debris |
Sep-05-07 09:14 AM |
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I will concede your point |
TechBear_Seattle |
Sep-05-07 09:22 AM |
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The OP asked us to stop making any comparisons. |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 09:23 AM |
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You don't have to say everything you know. |
cosmik debris |
Sep-05-07 09:29 AM |
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Then you are insane. But that has to do with your neurotransmitters! |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 11:38 AM |
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Good post, Turtlensue. Mental illness is indeed a serious |
Rydz777 |
Sep-05-07 08:31 AM |
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At the very least, we should specify exactly which illness |
cosmik debris |
Sep-05-07 08:39 AM |
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As DU is a peer reviewed board for publication of |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 09:26 AM |
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And your point is consistent with mental illness |
cosmik debris |
Sep-05-07 09:39 AM |
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We see bush's action every day. While |
Bitwit1234 |
Sep-05-07 08:41 AM |
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bush uses the facade of religion to justify his world view. if you take |
roguevalley |
Sep-05-07 02:39 PM |
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Absolutely. All you have to do is to show why religion is not a mental illness |
jgraz |
Sep-05-07 08:50 AM |
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What can possibly be wrong with building your core identity around beliefs which have no evidence? |
IanDB1 |
Sep-05-07 09:21 AM |
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let me ask you this.. |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 11:50 AM |
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I agree with you, and that is not the point I was making. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Sep-05-07 12:06 PM |
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The criterion is not behaving irrationally |
jgraz |
Sep-05-07 12:55 PM |
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Humor and depresssion might not be linked but being a comic |
Heaven and Earth |
Sep-05-07 08:59 AM |
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You are correct that 'mental illness' is serious, but I will always believe that |
sinkingfeeling |
Sep-05-07 09:04 AM |
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There is no way around the fact... |
Birthmark |
Sep-05-07 09:09 AM |
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There is compelling evidence that religiosity has an organic component, just as mental illness does. |
IanDB1 |
Sep-05-07 09:20 AM |
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Good post. I entirely agree. |
HamdenRice |
Sep-05-07 09:52 AM |
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I actually enjoyed reading your post |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-05-07 11:11 AM |
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its ok to hate atheists and scientologists. |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 11:38 AM |
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Yeah, I want a Kate Hudson |
Goblinmonger |
Sep-05-07 11:43 AM |
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Kate Hudson is a "Jew-Buh" |
PassingFair |
Feb-02-08 10:19 PM |
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Probably for the same reason they're on my ignore list. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Sep-05-07 12:07 PM |
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So what word would you use? |
HamdenRice |
Sep-05-07 12:53 PM |
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who is proposing (4)? |
endarkenment |
Sep-05-07 01:06 PM |
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Did you read the OP? |
HamdenRice |
Sep-05-07 10:13 PM |
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Really? |
endarkenment |
Sep-06-07 01:54 PM |
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#3 overstates the position |
northernsoul |
Sep-05-07 02:56 PM |
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Who's stating number 3? eom |
varkam |
Sep-05-07 10:22 PM |
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I'm referring to post #40 |
northernsoul |
Sep-06-07 12:03 PM |
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clarification |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 12:00 PM |
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I'm with you. |
Evoman |
Sep-05-07 12:01 PM |
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I just put those people on ignore |
Marrah_G |
Sep-05-07 12:30 PM |
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on pitching insults.... |
mike_c |
Sep-05-07 01:52 PM |
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There are delusional religious people and delusional athiests |
Marrah_G |
Sep-06-07 06:37 AM |
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I was once married to an alcoholic... |
mike_c |
Sep-06-07 10:33 AM |
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We probably agree on many things |
Marrah_G |
Sep-06-07 11:29 AM |
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Putting all the atheists on 'ignore' must have emptied the forum...lol! |
Dover |
Feb-05-08 05:04 PM |
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It waxes and wanes |
moggie |
Feb-05-08 06:45 PM |
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"waxes and wanes"...? |
Dover |
Feb-05-08 10:33 PM |
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It isn't about putting athiests on ignore- it is about putting asshoes on ignore |
Marrah_G |
Feb-07-08 08:07 AM |
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I disagree with you-- religion IS mental illness of a sort... |
mike_c |
Sep-05-07 01:05 PM |
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Sorry, but in many cases it is |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Sep-05-07 01:12 PM |
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You don't seem to be describing religion so much as ideologues. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Sep-05-07 02:32 PM |
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Don't call them insane then |
Hydra |
Sep-05-07 02:40 PM |
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Thank you. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Sep-05-07 02:44 PM |
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I've always considered it like glasses, you know? |
badgerpup |
Sep-05-07 02:45 PM |
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So there IS a god for some people and for others there really ISN'T? |
FiveGoodMen |
Sep-05-07 02:58 PM |
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If there really is a god... |
badgerpup |
Sep-05-07 10:33 PM |
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I'll second that! |
FiveGoodMen |
Sep-06-07 12:23 PM |
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But, it's oh so creative and insightful, dontcha know? |
wryter2000 |
Sep-05-07 02:48 PM |
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IMO religion is better compared to dogmatic ideologies like Marxism. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-05-07 03:02 PM |
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Dogmatic religions are dogmatic ideologies, but not all religions are dogmatic. |
lvx35 |
Sep-05-07 03:06 PM |
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Religion does not equal Spirituality, Religion is DOGMATIC Spirituality. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-05-07 03:13 PM |
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Ah, but it does, that's the tricky part. |
lvx35 |
Sep-05-07 03:19 PM |
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I would not call my religion dogmatic. |
Marrah_G |
Sep-06-07 06:38 AM |
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Thank you. The equating of ideological dissent with mental illness comes strait from the Soviet... |
lvx35 |
Sep-05-07 03:08 PM |
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Plenty of religious people think God talks directly to them. |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 03:46 PM |
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I don't have problems with equating certain behaviors with mental illness, |
lvx35 |
Sep-05-07 04:01 PM |
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Lots of mentally ill people are functional. |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 04:14 PM |
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I see a difference there. |
lvx35 |
Sep-05-07 04:26 PM |
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So if you're functional and don't seek treatment, you're fine? |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 04:32 PM |
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In the eyes of mental health, yes. |
lvx35 |
Sep-05-07 04:33 PM |
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You might want to read up on Dahmer and get back to me: |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 04:36 PM |
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By the way, thanks. |
lvx35 |
Sep-05-07 04:32 PM |
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My complaint isn't with religion, it's with the way religion is privileged |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 04:35 PM |
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Right, and I basically support you in that. |
lvx35 |
Sep-05-07 04:50 PM |
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I'm a little confused by your post. |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 03:19 PM |
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Here's what I am saying |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 04:23 PM |
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What if God tells you to home-school your kids |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 04:25 PM |
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I think if you think God is talking to you.. |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 04:36 PM |
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That's just not true. |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 04:40 PM |
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so based on the actions of SOME |
turtlensue |
Sep-05-07 04:44 PM |
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Like I said, to me most religious experience looks like mild delusion-- |
smoogatz |
Sep-05-07 06:23 PM |
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What about people who think THEY are talking TO god? |
PassingFair |
Feb-02-08 10:31 PM |
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Thank you Turtlensue. It does get pretty tiresome nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Sep-05-07 03:37 PM |
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If you genuinely think that god told you to murder people |
Heaven and Earth |
Sep-05-07 04:53 PM |
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Apparently, some people cannot. I don't know... |
TreasonousBastard |
Sep-05-07 05:59 PM |
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You say crazy like it's a BAD thing..... |
TalkingDog |
Sep-05-07 08:11 PM |
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I agree. |
varkam |
Sep-05-07 08:44 PM |
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Bill Moyers is a Baptist minister. I don't believe he is mentally ill. |
Old Crusoe |
Sep-05-07 09:14 PM |
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Some people think saying half the forum is mentally ill is a great way to open communication |
Marrah_G |
Sep-06-07 11:47 AM |
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Problem of terminology/Degree? |
Realityhack |
Sep-07-07 07:05 AM |
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If it is, then Obama, H. Clinton, Edwards, Kerry and Bill Clinton are all mentally insane. |
Exiled in America |
Sep-16-07 12:46 PM |
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If it is, then Bill Moyers, Martin Luther King, John and Bobby Kennedy were all insane. |
Exiled in America |
Sep-16-07 12:48 PM |
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+++ Accidental duplicate deleted +++ |
ZoltanZ |
Feb-02-08 07:17 PM |
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PLEASE stop equating religion with mental illness |
ZoltanZ |
Feb-02-08 07:29 PM |
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I think you might be misreading the OP. |
varkam |
Feb-02-08 10:27 PM |
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when religion is sane. I am ok with it. |
zonmoy |
Feb-02-08 08:24 PM |
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If much good can come of one's being inspired to be kinder to others |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-03-08 05:17 AM |
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To me, its never been proved that Christianity is the source of inspirations. |
heidler1 |
Feb-03-08 01:44 PM |
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I'm cool with that, heidler1, but was just saying that no matter the |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-03-08 09:31 PM |
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Dobson's hatefulness proves to me that he is incapable of reciprocal kindness. |
heidler1 |
Feb-04-08 12:29 PM |
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Dobson's is a dark poison. Have you seen the bumpser sticker that says |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-04-08 01:45 PM |
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We have a whole crop of people in leadership positions that are using religion to con their follower |
heidler1 |
Feb-04-08 02:40 PM |
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Yes. The manipulation lever is going to need all new parts once this |
Old Crusoe |
Feb-04-08 05:31 PM |
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I do not suppose religious people are mentally ill. |
Deep13 |
Feb-04-08 03:45 PM |
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Sorry, I've been thinking about this. Exorcism is definately.... |
PassingFair |
Feb-04-08 07:46 PM |
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I just put assholes who say shit like that on ignore- They aren't worth knowing. |
Marrah_G |
Feb-07-08 08:04 AM |
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Well there has to be some reason why so many think that.. |
and-justice-for-all |
Feb-07-08 08:43 PM |
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I have an officially mentally ill brother |
sleebarker |
Feb-09-08 11:17 AM |
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