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Sun Apr-29-07 03:32 PM
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| 27. Well, I was going to help you out, |
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But you spoiled the mood. Now you will have to handle it yourself.
I've got a head ache.
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| -Which philosophers of ethics, if any, have been of use to you? |
Heaven and Earth |
Apr-28-07 10:50 PM |
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But many people who are interested in ethics are not interested |
Erika |
Apr-28-07 11:13 PM |
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Mike Brady |
LisaCea |
Apr-28-07 11:16 PM |
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I'm afraid I don't understand the question. |
Heaven and Earth |
Apr-28-07 11:21 PM |
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Rawls' "original position" is certainly... |
Kerry4Kerry |
Apr-28-07 11:22 PM |
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I have "A Theory of Justice", but it intimidates me, and I've barely started it |
Heaven and Earth |
Apr-29-07 12:09 AM |
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My exposure to Rawls... |
Kerry4Kerry |
Apr-29-07 10:39 AM |
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You don't have impatience with philosophizing, only with much of the body of philosphical works? |
greyl |
May-02-07 01:00 AM |
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That's pretty much what I'm saying |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-03-07 11:36 PM |
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Your assumption that the religious were also interested in ethics |
Erika |
Apr-28-07 11:44 PM |
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Ah, I see the confusion now. |
Heaven and Earth |
Apr-28-07 11:51 PM |
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Many secularists are NOT interested in religion |
Erika |
Apr-29-07 12:01 AM |
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Yeah, that's probably true. |
Heaven and Earth |
Apr-29-07 12:05 AM |
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This sounds like my ex |
izzie |
Apr-29-07 01:10 AM |
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Friedrich Nietzsche |
Hardrada |
Apr-29-07 12:16 AM |
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Thank you for sharing! |
Heaven and Earth |
Apr-29-07 12:22 AM |
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Very strange politics |
Hardrada |
Apr-29-07 09:54 PM |
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None. |
Evoman |
Apr-29-07 03:45 AM |
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I second that. |
cosmik debris |
Apr-29-07 08:40 AM |
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That would make him a virtues ethicist. |
Heaven and Earth |
Apr-29-07 10:02 AM |
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It's more than that |
cosmik debris |
Apr-29-07 11:25 AM |
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If you want to justify empiricism outside of utilitarianism, it's important. |
kiahzero |
Apr-29-07 01:22 PM |
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Just like tissues are relevant to |
cosmik debris |
Apr-29-07 02:37 PM |
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I'd forgotten... you don't want to actually have a discussion. |
kiahzero |
Apr-29-07 02:47 PM |
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Indeed, I'm the villain |
cosmik debris |
Apr-29-07 02:51 PM |
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More of begging the question. |
kiahzero |
Apr-29-07 02:52 PM |
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Well, I was going to help you out, |
cosmik debris |
Apr-29-07 03:32 PM |
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I'll try to be serious here |
Evoman |
Apr-29-07 03:54 PM |
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Thanks, I appreciate it. |
kiahzero |
Apr-29-07 04:32 PM |
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Most philosophers are bores |
toddaa |
Apr-29-07 06:00 PM |
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The problem I see is that there's too much wasted, non-sensical precision |
Kerry4Kerry |
Apr-29-07 08:24 PM |
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But it's nonetheless important. |
kiahzero |
Apr-29-07 09:46 PM |
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I'm not talking about avoiding slippery topics... |
Kerry4Kerry |
Apr-29-07 11:14 PM |
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You guys sound like my wife... |
MrWiggles |
Apr-29-07 11:11 AM |
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That statement was originally about |
cosmik debris |
Apr-29-07 11:30 AM |
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There is nothing WRONG with reading philosophy. |
Evoman |
Apr-29-07 03:56 PM |
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There are worse things in life than masturbation |
fedsron2us |
Apr-29-07 03:46 PM |
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Philosophers have hairy cerebellums. |
Evoman |
Apr-29-07 03:58 PM |
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"Can I be completely honest? I really don't have any interest in ethics or philosophy. " |
greyl |
May-02-07 01:25 AM |
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Well, lets see.... |
Evoman |
May-02-07 02:09 AM |
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How DARE you tell me to "think about it"? ! nt |
greyl |
May-02-07 03:51 AM |
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What? Your not going to challenge me on some point or other? |
Evoman |
May-02-07 12:45 PM |
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I did, but you didn't notice. |
greyl |
May-02-07 02:25 PM |
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No, no, of course not. |
Evoman |
May-02-07 04:21 PM |
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Nietzsche and Zhuangzi |
toddaa |
Apr-29-07 08:41 AM |
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For ethics, Rawls. |
kiahzero |
Apr-29-07 01:16 PM |
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Seneca |
PassingFair |
Apr-29-07 05:58 PM |
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I was expecting that someone would eventually bring that up. |
Kerry4Kerry |
Apr-29-07 08:03 PM |
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I'm picking up Seneca based on your recommendation here, |
Heaven and Earth |
Apr-30-07 11:23 PM |
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Oops. Post below was meant for you. |
PassingFair |
May-01-07 09:22 AM |
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Well then, I certainly hope you "get" something from him! |
PassingFair |
May-01-07 09:19 AM |
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None. Mathematics, physics and chemistry. That is all I used. The end. |
Random_Australian |
Apr-30-07 02:59 AM |
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How do mathematics, physics, and chemistry lead to ethics? |
kiahzero |
Apr-30-07 10:38 PM |
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It goes a little like this: |
Random_Australian |
May-01-07 02:45 AM |
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No it doesn't, that's just your current philosophy. |
greyl |
May-01-07 12:21 PM |
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Where did you get the idea "no, it doesn't" , and why must you, |
Random_Australian |
May-03-07 02:31 AM |
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You didn't explain how math, physics, and chemistry lead to ethics at all. |
greyl |
May-03-07 03:32 PM |
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No, I didn't really. You're quite right. |
Random_Australian |
May-03-07 10:44 PM |
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Very cool, thanks. I always appreciate your unique take on things. :) |
greyl |
May-04-07 01:21 AM |
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I say that physics, mathematics, and chemistry |
Random_Australian |
May-04-07 01:38 AM |
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Are the ethics of which you speak proscriptive, or merely descriptive? |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-03-07 11:52 PM |
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A few. |
westerebus |
Apr-30-07 08:07 PM |
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Paul Tillich |
Exiled in America |
May-01-07 03:26 AM |
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Robert Pirsig and Daniel Quinn. |
greyl |
May-01-07 01:15 PM |
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Daniel Quinn |
Evoman |
May-02-07 02:21 AM |
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That's a pathetic reply. |
greyl |
May-02-07 02:32 PM |
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Greyl |
MrWiggles |
May-02-07 04:28 PM |
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Evoman didn't paraphrase D. Quinn, he made a ridiculous mischaracterization. |
greyl |
May-03-07 01:38 AM |
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Thanks for the link! n/t |
MrWiggles |
May-03-07 06:49 AM |
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Some people don't deserve to live |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 07:32 AM |
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What? You don't agree with him? |
Evoman |
May-03-07 10:18 AM |
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I'm still undecided |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 10:39 AM |
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New York is a cesspit of sin and corruption. |
Evoman |
May-03-07 01:35 PM |
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You can't apply a standard that you're ignorant of, cosmik debris. |
greyl |
May-03-07 03:15 PM |
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I don't think you could be more wrong. |
greyl |
May-03-07 02:21 PM |
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False Choice |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 03:15 PM |
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It absolutely is not a false choice. |
greyl |
May-03-07 03:20 PM |
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You remind my of my study of Malthus |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 03:33 PM |
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That's probably because you're dealing with a vague apprehension rather than genuine understanding. |
greyl |
May-03-07 03:42 PM |
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That is a self-evident explanation |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 04:02 PM |
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Straw argument. |
greyl |
May-03-07 04:11 PM |
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You made that up |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 04:19 PM |
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Oh right, you can't comprehend how I could argue that because I've never argued that. Uh huh. nt |
greyl |
May-03-07 04:26 PM |
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You seem to be contradicting everything I say |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 04:29 PM |
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Ha ha |
Evoman |
May-02-07 04:30 PM |
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Your strawman is falsely attributing a quote to D. Quinn, thereby mischaracterizing him. |
greyl |
May-03-07 12:46 AM |
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So Quinn does not, in fact, make the argument that we should not give Aid |
Evoman |
May-03-07 01:18 AM |
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No, he doesn't. |
greyl |
May-03-07 01:56 AM |
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ME!!! |
Evoman |
May-03-07 10:15 AM |
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This should be familiar to you: You made the claim, you back it up. |
greyl |
May-03-07 10:28 AM |
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Okay. I'll give it a shot. |
Evoman |
May-03-07 12:08 PM |
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You are arguing around the fallacy. |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 12:27 PM |
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True enough but.... |
Evoman |
May-03-07 01:32 PM |
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Not a fallacy. |
greyl |
May-03-07 03:23 PM |
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The proof that it is a logical fallacy |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 03:44 PM |
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I don't see it. Unsupported claims still aren't proof, correct? |
greyl |
May-03-07 03:49 PM |
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Support for my claim |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 03:55 PM |
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Not hardly. You're citing food that was destroyed, not produced as we've been talking about it. |
greyl |
May-03-07 04:06 PM |
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Wrong |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 04:17 PM |
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Our definition of food production does not include food that doesn't get distributed. |
greyl |
May-03-07 04:29 PM |
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Setting new conditions to nullify the weakness of your argument. |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 04:31 PM |
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If it was destroyed, it wasn't available for consumption. nt |
greyl |
May-03-07 04:41 PM |
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The cows were milked |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 04:50 PM |
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................. |
Evoman |
May-03-07 04:52 PM |
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Do you seriously believe that I was including, for example, |
greyl |
May-03-07 05:04 PM |
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I believe that you have an absurd argument |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 05:14 PM |
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"I believe that you are desperately trying to support that argument with logical fallacies,..." |
greyl |
May-04-07 12:48 AM |
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Briefly |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 08:48 AM |
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Thanks for the reply, but please |
greyl |
May-03-07 03:28 PM |
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Dude, am I missing something? |
Evoman |
May-03-07 04:23 PM |
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Yes, you're missing the evidence to support your initial claim. nt |
greyl |
May-03-07 04:31 PM |
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Okay, lets try something different, since your responses are, to put it delicately, |
Evoman |
May-03-07 04:41 PM |
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Somebody mentioned "brevity", so I ran with it. |
greyl |
May-03-07 05:08 PM |
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Regardless... |
MrWiggles |
May-03-07 07:55 PM |
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Given the complexity of the situation, it can't be said that there's a simple solution. |
greyl |
May-04-07 01:58 PM |
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Show cause and effect |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 02:09 PM |
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I see you haven't offered evidence that our current approach causes a reduction in starvation. |
greyl |
May-04-07 03:04 PM |
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So I will assume that your argument is bullshit |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 03:13 PM |
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Read the link I just gave you. |
greyl |
May-04-07 03:19 PM |
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Opinion not fact |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 03:24 PM |
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You coudn't possibly have read the material provided at that link. |
greyl |
May-04-07 03:36 PM |
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Cite the research...if you can...but you can't ...end of story. |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 03:41 PM |
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I know for a fact that you didn't read the links at that page. |
greyl |
May-04-07 03:54 PM |
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You are right about one thing |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 04:15 PM |
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Of course I can't source it....what I did is defended my interpretation. |
Evoman |
May-03-07 11:52 PM |
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"Who in their right mind..." |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 10:02 AM |
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How many people have you "let" starve today? |
greyl |
May-04-07 02:38 PM |
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All of them. |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 02:55 PM |
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You aren't displaying sufficient patience for this discussion. |
greyl |
May-04-07 03:07 PM |
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Yes it was serious |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 03:16 PM |
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Oh, please. |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-04-07 09:42 AM |
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Occasionally, we'll see astrologers citing a particular quote from Einstein |
greyl |
May-04-07 01:43 PM |
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cop out |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 01:47 PM |
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Double standard. Please read for comprehension. |
greyl |
May-04-07 02:05 PM |
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Cop out #2 |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 02:32 PM |
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The answer is in this thread. |
greyl |
May-04-07 02:39 PM |
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No one goes through this much effort... |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-04-07 03:18 PM |
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If I had it to do over, I'd do it differently. |
greyl |
May-04-07 03:27 PM |
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I don't recall saying that it WAS working |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 03:33 PM |
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...................... |
Evoman |
May-04-07 03:37 PM |
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You hardly needed to. |
greyl |
May-04-07 03:45 PM |
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Cite the quote, cite the quote, cite the quote |
cosmik debris |
May-04-07 03:53 PM |
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That admission has already been made... |
Kerry4Kerry |
May-04-07 03:13 PM |
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I already tried that....didn't work so well.... |
Evoman |
May-04-07 03:35 PM |
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Quin would say we should stabilize our food production and aid, not cut it off. |
greyl |
May-04-07 03:35 PM |
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I'm sorry....what does stabilize mean? |
Evoman |
May-04-07 03:48 PM |
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This is the all time best thread hijacking EVER. |
Evoman |
May-03-07 04:47 PM |
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Yeah, me too |
cosmik debris |
May-03-07 04:56 PM |
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And I wasn't even involved this time! (n/t) |
kiahzero |
May-03-07 05:20 PM |
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*shrug* That's ok, guys. |
Heaven and Earth |
May-04-07 12:00 AM |
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I'm still waiting |
westerebus |
May-03-07 06:48 PM |
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Wow, neo-Malthusians like Quinn really are uninformed imbeciles |
HamdenRice |
May-06-07 05:56 AM |
#151 |
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