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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 02:50 PM
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3. H.L. Mencken had it pegged a long time ago.
The accumulated body of philosophical speculation is hopelessly self-contradictory. It is not a system at all, but simply a quarreling congeries of systems. The thing that makes philosophers respected is not actually their profundity, but simply their obscurity. They translate vague and dubious ideas into high-sounding words, and their dupes assume, as they assume themselves, that the resulting obfuscation is a contribution to knowledge.

Oh I understand the beauty of envisioning these "grids" by which we all experience life, but the reality of the situation is that we don't have the luxury of always living on our own grid. If your grid says that children can be sexual partners, there's an issue when your grid comes up against their grids - or mine. It won't be much of a defense in court to say, "But your honor, can't you see that capital-T Truth isn't beholden to any one grid?"
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  -Here Follows Some Psycho-Metaphysics: kiahzero  Mar-19-07 02:21 PM   #0 
  - Interesting  yella_dawg   Mar-19-07 02:41 PM   #1 
  - Eh.  kiahzero   Mar-19-07 02:46 PM   #2 
  - H.L. Mencken had it pegged a long time ago.  trotsky   Mar-19-07 02:50 PM   #3 
  - Really?  kiahzero   Mar-19-07 03:04 PM   #4 
     - Ah yes, the typical response.  trotsky   Mar-19-07 04:05 PM   #5 
     - It's not an issue of "not understanding."  kiahzero   Mar-19-07 04:20 PM   #6 
        - I'm sorry but that passage IS "just big words meaning nothing."  trotsky   Mar-20-07 07:42 AM   #15 
           - Brevity is the soul of wit  cosmik debris   Mar-20-07 08:11 AM   #19 
           - I can't help but be verbose.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 08:36 AM   #22 
              - I guess that explains why  cosmik debris   Mar-20-07 09:45 AM   #34 
           - You know, this is a good example of why pathological readings are bad.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 08:35 AM   #21 
              - Oh I fully understand the refined and noble approach you're trying to use here.  trotsky   Mar-20-07 08:44 AM   #23 
                 - Interestingly, I just wrote on this topic the other day  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 08:56 AM   #24 
                    - So?  trotsky   Mar-20-07 09:00 AM   #25 
                    - How are they being forced?  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 09:09 AM   #27 
                       - Let's use a specific example: abortion.  trotsky   Mar-20-07 09:36 AM   #31 
                          - Thanks.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 09:44 AM   #33 
                             - "A minimally restrictive grid"  trotsky   Mar-20-07 10:00 AM   #39 
                                - Yes, you have to force a grid on people for society to function.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 10:04 AM   #41 
                                   - Yes, but whose grid?  trotsky   Mar-20-07 10:33 AM   #48 
                                      - Oooga booga booga!  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 10:44 AM   #49 
                                         - I think you're still missing the point.  trotsky   Mar-20-07 10:50 AM   #50 
                                            - I'm actually looking at "minimally restrictive" at a societal level.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 10:57 AM   #51 
                                               - Again, what if "society" includes the unborn?  trotsky   Mar-20-07 11:02 AM   #54 
                                               - Why do you want to "shove your grid on them?"  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 11:05 AM   #55 
                                               - Because I'm right and they're wrong, of course.  trotsky   Mar-20-07 11:06 AM   #56 
                                               - On what basis are you right and they're wrong?  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 11:08 AM   #57 
                                               - Majority rule! Reasoned approach! Doesn't really matter.  trotsky   Mar-20-07 11:30 AM   #58 
                                               - I already have. (n/t)  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 11:59 AM   #59 
                    - How about Christian Scientists sacrificing sick children to the principle  BurtWorm   Mar-20-07 09:05 AM   #26 
                       - "Valid" isn't really the operative word.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 09:25 AM   #29 
                          - "There are now statutes in 44 states which contain a provision stating that a child  BurtWorm   Mar-20-07 09:50 AM   #36 
                             - Yes, conflicting views inevitably collide.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 09:52 AM   #37 
                                - And what does a society do to resolve them?  BurtWorm   Mar-20-07 10:09 AM   #42 
                                   - I agree that inaction is action.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 10:14 AM   #44 
                                      - But it's all good. Isn't it?  BurtWorm   Mar-20-07 10:19 AM   #46 
                                         - No, it's not all good.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 10:22 AM   #47 
                                            - "Reality is the original Rorschach."  BurtWorm   Mar-20-07 10:59 AM   #52 
                                               - I assume you're differing there, but I'm not sure how.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 11:01 AM   #53 
     - Must. resist. urge. to. go. on. anti-PoMo rant....  Odin2005   Mar-19-07 08:25 PM   #8 
        - No, please do. And when you do, make sure you include  Evoman   Mar-19-07 10:49 PM   #9 
  - What a load of profound-sounding BS.  Odin2005   Mar-19-07 08:23 PM   #7 
  - Do you think that we can know objective reality?  kiahzero   Mar-19-07 10:57 PM   #10 
     - No, but we can get a reasonable aproximation of objective reality.  Odin2005   Mar-20-07 08:05 AM   #17 
        - To a certain extent I agree with that.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 08:16 AM   #20 
  - I drew a comic in order to illustrate a point.  Evoman   Mar-19-07 11:24 PM   #11 
  - Decidedly missing the point.  kiahzero   Mar-19-07 11:48 PM   #12 
     - Lol...dude, I think I nailed it.  Evoman   Mar-19-07 11:51 PM   #13 
     - LMAO  trotsky   Mar-20-07 07:27 AM   #14 
     - No, you really didn't.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 08:06 AM   #18 
     - There's another wonderful mechanism of "deep thinkers"  cosmik debris   Mar-20-07 07:56 AM   #16 
  - We had a similar thread not too long ago  cosmik debris   Mar-20-07 09:19 AM   #28 
     - Not really.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 09:28 AM   #30 
        - Yep, really  cosmik debris   Mar-20-07 09:44 AM   #32 
           - Except that he's claiming to have two mutually exclusive belief systems.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 09:46 AM   #35 
              - You say all grids are equally true  cosmik debris   Mar-20-07 09:57 AM   #38 
                 - That doesn't preclude value judgments.  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 10:02 AM   #40 
                    - A distinction without a difference  cosmik debris   Mar-20-07 10:12 AM   #43 
                       - Hardly. (n/t)  kiahzero   Mar-20-07 10:15 AM   #45 
 

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