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Sat Feb-17-07 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #135 |
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How do they know that activity precedes thought? ... All of the electrical firings have to go on in order to be able to verbalize the thought. That doesn't prove that the thought itself didn't come first. In your view of things then the immaterial mind is doubly redundant. We know that when we perform conscious activities such as deciding which keys to type that the messages sent to our hands are already on their way by the time our consciousness 'catches-up' to this decision. What you are now telling us is that the brain experiences the experience of thought, with the thought preceding both the experience of thought and the thought influencing the necessary mechanisms in the brain that lead to the experience of the experience of the thought without directly doing so. You sure do want to complicate matters with your insistence there's some weird immaterial mind doing all this stuff!
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Heaven and Earth |
Feb-11-07 07:19 PM |
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My turn. Great questions. I wish I had answers. We are a tiny grain of sand in the universe. |
Radio_Lady |
Feb-11-07 07:25 PM |
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My answers |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-11-07 07:26 PM |
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Consciousness grows? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-11-07 07:36 PM |
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If you do not understand my concept on the nature |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-11-07 07:41 PM |
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Consciousness is the epiphenomial result of the functioning of our brains |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-11-07 07:53 PM |
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Consciousness is more than a brain function |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-11-07 08:02 PM |
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What does it mean to say a rock has consciousness? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-11-07 08:05 PM |
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Never been in a sweatlodge, have you? |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Feb-12-07 06:31 AM |
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How helpful. |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-12-07 06:40 AM |
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Defining terms |
Tormenta |
Feb-14-07 11:18 AM |
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I have been is a sweatlodge. Several times in fact, and once after a pipe ceremony. |
Evoman |
Feb-14-07 11:01 AM |
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Did you mean "epiphenomenal"? |
Tormenta |
Feb-12-07 01:29 PM |
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Yes, goddamn spell checked that and still copied it wrong |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-12-07 01:35 PM |
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But... |
Tormenta |
Feb-12-07 01:44 PM |
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Eh? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-12-07 01:53 PM |
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This subject line thing is annoying. |
Tormenta |
Feb-12-07 02:16 PM |
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I don't think you are getting the point |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-12-07 02:29 PM |
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Reciprocal to what? |
Tormenta |
Feb-12-07 08:37 PM |
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Sigh |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-13-07 06:32 AM |
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Ah, the old condescending sigh... |
Tormenta |
Feb-13-07 10:57 PM |
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Sigh again then |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-14-07 05:10 AM |
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What if? |
Tormenta |
Feb-14-07 11:10 AM |
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We know enough |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 08:07 AM |
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There's a whole lot we don't know. |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 11:01 AM |
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No |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 12:34 PM |
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Mental ping pong |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 01:52 PM |
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Eh? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 03:26 PM |
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"Nothing suggests anything other than purely material." |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 03:34 PM |
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Hell, you tell me what you understand |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 03:39 PM |
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Do you not agree, that looking back through history |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 03:52 PM |
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Can you give me a reason why we are not? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 03:57 PM |
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Are you upset? I'm not upset... I'm only asking... |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:15 PM |
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It is equally unhelpful to pretend we know nothing and argue from ignorance |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:22 PM |
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I didn't imply we know nothing. |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:25 PM |
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It is the only argument I have seen |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:29 PM |
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We don't know everything = we know nothing? |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:30 PM |
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That is the general gist |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:32 PM |
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Are you referring to something someone else said? N/t |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:36 PM |
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Possibly |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:41 PM |
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"Modus operandi"? |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:45 PM |
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The irony is killing me. |
Evoman |
Feb-15-07 03:58 PM |
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So would you say that nobody is responsible for their actions? |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:11 PM |
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I am not going down this route |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:14 PM |
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That is a matter of opinion. n/t |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:17 PM |
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No, it is not |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:20 PM |
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So it's irrelevant, because you say so? |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:24 PM |
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Okay, you tell me why it is relevant |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:26 PM |
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You're asking that |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:30 PM |
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If you are actually interested in an answer |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:31 PM |
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Yes, I am curious. |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:36 PM |
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No, it's more the case that |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:39 PM |
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Excellent quote! |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 04:55 PM |
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C. W. Leadbeater |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 05:02 PM |
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Oh dear |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 04:45 PM |
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Point out an ad hominem |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:53 PM |
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Last try |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 05:36 PM |
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Ad hominem is not a personal attack |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 06:11 PM |
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Ok, I lied. |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 07:02 PM |
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New understanding could |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 08:26 PM |
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Can you? |
Tormenta |
Feb-16-07 01:09 PM |
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That's what I've been doing |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-16-07 01:24 PM |
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The last wheeze |
Tormenta |
Feb-16-07 02:53 PM |
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I hate it when people respond with no intention of continuing |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-16-07 03:43 PM |
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OK, here's a couple of big one's.. |
TRYPHO |
Feb-11-07 07:47 PM |
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Because striving for happiness gives some room in case of accident, perhaps? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Feb-12-07 08:19 AM |
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Law of unintended consequences |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-12-07 09:07 AM |
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Meh |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-11-07 07:47 PM |
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Is nihilism really such an awful thing? |
toddaa |
Feb-11-07 08:05 PM |
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Hold on a second... |
TRYPHO |
Feb-11-07 08:32 PM |
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Here's an article. |
trotsky |
Feb-11-07 08:58 PM |
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Fantastic!! |
TRYPHO |
Feb-13-07 09:48 PM |
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Relativity is a bitch to comprehend |
toddaa |
Feb-11-07 09:14 PM |
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Nihilism comes in different flavors... |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 03:38 PM |
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Q & A |
varkam |
Feb-11-07 09:51 PM |
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My take on yours: |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 03:42 PM |
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Then how can you say you believe it exists |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 03:52 PM |
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Semantics? |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:08 PM |
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Right |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:17 PM |
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No... |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:22 PM |
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So |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:30 PM |
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No... |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 04:31 PM |
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Then you seem to be making god synonymous for 'everything' |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:33 PM |
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Not saying it's synonymous... |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 05:15 PM |
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Random_Australian! A & Q! |
Random_Australian |
Feb-12-07 12:34 AM |
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Is understanding others even possible? |
bryant69 |
Feb-12-07 08:24 AM |
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Solipsist |
toddaa |
Feb-12-07 05:20 PM |
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Why are humans so arrogant that they think omnipotent gods would care one whit about them? |
Zhade |
Feb-12-07 05:32 PM |
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Same reason they think aliens want to study our anuses |
toddaa |
Feb-12-07 09:01 PM |
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My question is what is in in humans |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Feb-14-07 10:58 AM |
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That's a very good question. |
Tormenta |
Feb-14-07 11:52 AM |
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If you watch as much Star Trek as I do |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Feb-14-07 01:33 PM |
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Interesting |
Tormenta |
Feb-14-07 01:59 PM |
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Never seen a single episode of Star Trek? |
TRYPHO |
Feb-14-07 05:27 PM |
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Ah, the Borg |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Feb-15-07 07:31 AM |
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Thank you |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 10:11 AM |
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I love Deep Space and Voyager |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Feb-15-07 07:30 AM |
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Is it really a human need to examine issues and gain knowledge? |
Evoman |
Feb-15-07 02:32 PM |
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Humans have done it throughout history. |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 03:21 PM |
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I doubt it |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 03:30 PM |
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Human INDIVIDUALS and GROUPS have done it through out history. |
Evoman |
Feb-15-07 03:44 PM |
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Hilarious! |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 05:43 PM |
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Excellent point |
TallahasseeGrannie |
Feb-16-07 07:52 AM |
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Why isn't the following just innately understood? |
redqueen |
Feb-15-07 03:23 PM |
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The big question I pursue |
Az |
Feb-15-07 03:53 PM |
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Ever read anything by Jiddu Krishnamurti? |
PreacherCasey |
Feb-15-07 04:01 PM |
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Hmm... |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 04:02 PM |
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Initially |
Az |
Feb-15-07 04:27 PM |
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I'm no expert on child psychology.... |
TRYPHO |
Feb-15-07 05:04 PM |
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Just wondering |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 05:48 PM |
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It's basically a collection of chemically controlled gates |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 06:15 PM |
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So what causes the activity? |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 07:05 PM |
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It is matter obeying the laws of physics |
Az |
Feb-15-07 07:11 PM |
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So do apples and waterfalls have a mind? |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 09:36 PM |
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No - does that somehow prove that there is something magical going on inside our heads? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 09:53 PM |
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No but they operate by the same laws of physics that our brain does |
Az |
Feb-15-07 10:03 PM |
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Would you ask the same question if I dropped a stone? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 08:28 PM |
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I don't understand your question. |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 09:40 PM |
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I can't make it any simpler |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 09:54 PM |
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Laws of physics |
Az |
Feb-15-07 06:15 PM |
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Plus a little "magic" |
TRYPHO |
Feb-15-07 08:39 PM |
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Magic is a presumption |
Az |
Feb-15-07 08:50 PM |
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Who choreographed the dance? |
Tormenta |
Feb-15-07 09:43 PM |
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Who cares? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-15-07 09:50 PM |
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Who said there had to be a who |
Az |
Feb-15-07 10:02 PM |
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Absolutely |
Tormenta |
Feb-16-07 12:38 PM |
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Erm, the point is that it does |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-16-07 01:11 PM |
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Nope |
Tormenta |
Feb-16-07 01:31 PM |
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Eh? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-16-07 01:35 PM |
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Going around in circles |
Tormenta |
Feb-16-07 02:29 PM |
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Then could you choose a definition and stick with it? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-16-07 03:30 PM |
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Science takes time |
Az |
Feb-16-07 04:09 PM |
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Question |
Tormenta |
Feb-17-07 09:40 AM |
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Vector? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-17-07 10:00 AM |
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No, not really |
Az |
Feb-17-07 10:49 AM |
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What evidence? |
Tormenta |
Feb-17-07 11:30 AM |
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Tests |
Az |
Feb-17-07 12:06 PM |
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Thank you |
Tormenta |
Feb-17-07 12:38 PM |
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Cycles much? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-17-07 12:44 PM |
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That's what I said. |
Tormenta |
Feb-17-07 12:53 PM |
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The point is that how do you classify what a thought is without any activity? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-17-07 01:19 PM |
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What do you mean by "classifying a thought"? |
Tormenta |
Feb-17-07 01:28 PM |
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What synergy? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-17-07 01:35 PM |
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Because |
Tormenta |
Feb-17-07 01:54 PM |
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Energy is a specific thing |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 07:32 AM |
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Einstein |
Tormenta |
Feb-18-07 10:35 AM |
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Sigh |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 10:45 AM |
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You seem a little paranoid. |
Tormenta |
Feb-18-07 11:01 AM |
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Now I'm paranoid? Just how weak are your ideas that discussing THEM is such an issue? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 11:11 AM |
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yeah, it did seem so |
Tormenta |
Feb-18-07 12:00 PM |
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Right whatever |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 12:39 PM |
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There are different portions of the brain |
Az |
Feb-17-07 02:04 PM |
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More questions |
Tormenta |
Feb-17-07 02:19 PM |
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There are neurologists who spend their lives trying to understand... |
TRYPHO |
Feb-17-07 05:36 PM |
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Ah, now there's a beautiful post! |
Tormenta |
Feb-17-07 10:47 PM |
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Computers are sufficient for computing |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 07:36 AM |
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What "mystical agents" are you talking about? |
Tormenta |
Feb-18-07 10:04 AM |
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"thought" "consciousness" |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 10:20 AM |
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So... |
Tormenta |
Feb-18-07 10:54 AM |
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This is the point |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 11:06 AM |
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What the hell I'm doing. |
Tormenta |
Feb-18-07 11:42 AM |
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No you're not |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 01:00 PM |
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I find that rather arrogant |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 07:41 AM |
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I find your subject line rather ironic. |
Tormenta |
Feb-18-07 10:16 AM |
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I am arrogant now am I? |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 10:21 AM |
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Who is doing that? |
Tormenta |
Feb-18-07 10:38 AM |
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I already explained that |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-18-07 10:48 AM |
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Hmmm...lets take this slowly... |
TRYPHO |
Feb-18-07 09:19 PM |
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I have already answered this |
cyborg_jim |
Feb-17-07 12:22 PM |
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Why, |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Feb-19-07 01:50 AM |
#169 |